Why Don't Surfers Join - Really - GoFuckYourself.com

Lifer · 10-25-2004, 04:05 AM

Why don't surfers join your site?

Maybe because you give too much away for free.

I'm talking about all those free hosted galleries and the like...

Affiliates just post them up and submit them every where.

The surfer comes along and gobble gobble... got off for free.

If you say that affiliates don't have to use all the hosted content... the surfer has a pretty good idea how to increase the gallery number from gallery5.php to gallery6.php

So... It's an honest question...

Why do Sponsors give everything away?

Nubiles... every week at least 15 galleries of one sort or another.
Bruno has over 100 in the master list, though an affiliate does have the opportunity to create a gallery rather than being lazy and just posting Master 1 - Master250. Diesel the same thing.

Man... I WANT TO MAKE MONEY!!

But where is the incentive for the surfer to buy?

OK... I'm sitting now... Tell me to shut the fuck up.

Doctor Dre · 10-25-2004, 04:08 AM

Good thinking . Now what are you gonna do to change that ?

Manowar · 10-25-2004, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lifer

Tell me to shut the fuck up.

Shut the fuck up

polish_aristocrat · 10-25-2004, 04:13 AM

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Originally posted by Manowar
Shut the fuck up

20k coming soon

beemk · 10-25-2004, 04:30 AM

yeah you're right, no one pays for porn

PiksalDesign · 10-25-2004, 04:33 AM

Lifer · 10-25-2004, 04:35 AM

Doesn't anybody care?

I don't show the money shot on my pay site.

I don't have the money shot in my FHGs... only thumbs.

I limit the amount of content given to affiliates.

I mean... is it too hard for a sponsor to have gallery numbers that aren't sequential... or to have gallery builder that sequential numbers...

Hey... It's your content costs and profits lost.

webseth · 10-25-2004, 04:40 AM

porn has always been like parking, if you want it enough, you can find it for free. but for ease and convenience you will pay for it.

Most surfers are idiots, the people who are sharp enough to click gallery1-250 arent the type of people that will pay for porn in the first place, if you made it harder for them they'd just go on the news groups and edonkey.

The best way to make money is with a QUALITY product, make a site that offers ease and convenience, some place with DOWNLOADABLE high quality movies, no consoles to navigate streaming archives. make the jpgs full size (when youre paying , no picture should be < 1024x768) .

Build a better mousetrap and stop bitching.
- Seth

Odin88 · 10-25-2004, 04:42 AM

You guys are living in the past. BW is cheap, and exclusive content is moving in. Offer high quality video downloads of exclusive content and you will be fine. You'll never erase free porn, so stop wasting your time.

Babagirls · 10-25-2004, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by webseth
porn has always been like parking, if you want it enough, you can find it for free. but for ease and convenience you will pay for it.

Most surfers are idiots, the people who are sharp enough to click gallery1-250 arent the type of people that will pay for porn in the first place, if you made it harder for them they'd just go on the news groups and edonkey.

The best way to make money is with a QUALITY product, make a site that offers ease and convenience, some place with DOWNLOADABLE high quality movies, no consoles to navigate streaming archives. make the jpgs full size (when youre paying , no picture should be < 1024x768) .

Build a better mousetrap and stop bitching.
- Seth

EXCELLENT post!!!!!!!!!!

Odin88 · 10-25-2004, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by webseth
porn has always been like parking, if you want it enough, you can find it for free. but for ease and convenience you will pay for it.

Most surfers are idiots, the people who are sharp enough to click gallery1-250 arent the type of people that will pay for porn in the first place, if you made it harder for them they'd just go on the news groups and edonkey.

The best way to make money is with a QUALITY product, make a site that offers ease and convenience, some place with DOWNLOADABLE high quality movies, no consoles to navigate streaming archives. make the jpgs full size (when youre paying , no picture should be < 1024x768) .

Build a better mousetrap and stop bitching.
- Seth

I missed this post. But you are exactly right.

project_naughty · 10-25-2004, 04:44 AM

There's so much free content from Nubiles.net that I have been able to get off for free on at least a dozen occassions

All a surfer has to so is google something like "www.domain.com/nubiles" "girls name" and they get about a hundred galleries all to do with their chosen girl, from 20 different affiliates. Then they can download a thousand pics and four videos and there you go - no need to join.

Ironically, nubiles is one of the sites which appears to be surfer friendly. If they limited the number of FHGs then they would get more sign-ups

There is actually a way around all this but I'm not going to tell you what it is

the Shemp · 10-25-2004, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lifer
Doesn't anybody care?

I don't show the money shot on my pay site.

I don't have the money shot in my FHGs... only thumbs.

I limit the amount of content given to affiliates.

I mean... is it too hard for a sponsor to have gallery numbers that aren't sequential... or to have gallery builder that sequential numbers...

Hey... It's your content costs and profits lost.

are you the Messiah?

Tuga · 10-25-2004, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by webseth
porn has always been like parking, if you want it enough, you can find it for free. but for ease and convenience you will pay for it.

Most surfers are idiots, the people who are sharp enough to click gallery1-250 arent the type of people that will pay for porn in the first place, if you made it harder for them they'd just go on the news groups and edonkey.

The best way to make money is with a QUALITY product, make a site that offers ease and convenience, some place with DOWNLOADABLE high quality movies, no consoles to navigate streaming archives. make the jpgs full size (when youre paying , no picture should be < 1024x768) .

Build a better mousetrap and stop bitching.
- Seth

What he said

polish_aristocrat · 10-25-2004, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by webseth
porn has always been like parking, if you want it enough, you can find it for free. but for ease and convenience you will pay for it.

hehe

Lifer · 10-25-2004, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by project_naughty
There's so much free content from Nubiles.net that I have been able to get off for free on at least a dozen occassions

There is actually a way around all this but I'm not going to tell you what it is

See wtf I'm talking about?

Lifer · 10-25-2004, 04:54 AM

I don't think you really pay for "it".

You might pay for add ons and up sell.

When free porn is a come on for something else, then the free porn is expendable.

I'm not against free porn.

I just think a marketing stategy designed to make money is a better idea.

Sure... you are making money now... but how much are you losing out on because your FHG system can be exploited?

Or that the content in the FHG is so explicit that the dumb ass surfer that was lucky enough to know how to "Google It" got to your site... or more often than not... a tgp.

They don't even come to your site man... They get the goodies and split.

Fizzgig · 10-25-2004, 04:55 AM

Hehe awesome comment there, I'm going to use this next time a surfer I talk to asks me why he should pay.

"porn has always been like parking, if you want it enough, you can find it for free. but for ease and convenience you will pay for it. "
Perfect explanation! haha

Fizzgig · 10-25-2004, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lifer
I don't think you really pay for "it".

You might pay for add ons and up sell.

When free porn is a come on for something else, then the free porn is expendable.

I'm not against free porn.

I just think a marketing stategy designed to make money is a better idea.

Sure... you are making money now... but how much are you losing out on because your FHG system can be exploited?

Or that the content in the FHG is so explicit that the dumb ass surfer that was lucky enough to know how to "Google It" got to your site... or more often than not... a tgp.

They don't even come to your site man... They get the goodies and split.

Ehem...Check my sig, use their free hosted galleries and you WILL convert like CRAZY MAD!
Yeah

Seriously, though, I stuck up a fake TGP for TCG, stuck it in my msn profile and linked from ONE other site with a small amount of traffic and ratio is for that is 1:6

Click sig and prosper.

Lifer · 10-25-2004, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fizzgig
Ehem...Check my sig, use their free hosted galleries and you WILL convert like CRAZY MAD!
Yeah

Seriously, though, I stuck up a fake TGP for TCG, stuck it in my msn profile and linked from ONE other site with a small amount of traffic and ratio is for that is 1:6

Click sig and prosper.

I think that has more to do with the source of the traffic.

I am 1:67 with that kind of traffic.

I just wish I could get more of it.

Fizzgig · 10-25-2004, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lifer
I think that has more to do with the source of the traffic.

I am 1:67 with that kind of traffic.

I just wish I could get more of it.

Well try Traffic Cash Gold...have you?

Click my sig and I can benefit too

Lifer · 10-25-2004, 05:14 AM

I clicked... I just get red x in a box.

Don't ya just hate that?

Almost as much as a sponsor that will spam you while you are trying to sign up for his affiliate program

ww and ls

graphicsbytia · 10-25-2004, 05:16 AM

Here's an article I wrote about tgp's and link lists.. same idea .. and it could apply to sponsor's content too

http://www.graphicsbytia.com/article.html

btw.. this article was written in June of 2002, and nothing has changed, if anything, it's gotten worse

Fizzgig · 10-25-2004, 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lifer
I clicked... I just get red x in a box.

Don't ya just hate that?

Almost as much as a sponsor that will spam you while you are trying to sign up for his affiliate program

ww and ls

You got a red x by clicking my sig?
I don't even know how or why that is possible...but...ok then.

s9ann0 · 10-25-2004, 05:20 AM

well they join my site and I charge $99.95 recurring on a 1 day trial and my contents all from usenet

Herb Kornfield · 10-25-2004, 05:20 AM

Exclusive content that also updates on a regular basis will make them more likely to buy.

wyldblyss · 10-25-2004, 05:26 AM

Porn surfers have been around longer, they have figured out how to get what they want for free. They usually don't buy, they just know where to go to get what they want. The numbers of those people keep increasing. The trick is getting people who don't know the system yet and get them to sign up.

Fizzgig · 10-25-2004, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wyldblyss
Porn surfers have been around longer, they have figured out how to get what they want for free. They usually don't buy, they just know where to go to get what they want. The numbers of those people keep increasing. The trick is getting people who don't know the system yet and get them to sign up.

Not only that but to build/promote something different that will catch even those who surf free.
As well, single girl/real amateur and cam sites make money because it's worth paying to talk to these people and be a part of their life, or them yours, however you want to look at it.

johndoebob · 10-25-2004, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wyldblyss
Porn surfers have been around longer, they have figured out how to get what they want for free. They usually don't buy, they just know where to go to get what they want. The numbers of those people keep increasing. The trick is getting people who don't know the system yet and get them to sign up.

Those who are happy with 15 preview pics and a few 10-30 clips will never sign up for a paysite anyway.

Lifer · 10-25-2004, 05:33 AM

Don't worry, the red x was because of a firewall.

I checked

Tia... I read your article before, I believe. You're right... It won't change.

My point is that Sponsors should cut down the amount of free content given to affiliates and start to "tease" the surfer rather than "expecting" a join.

If sponsors were to start not including some type pictures and video in their free content, they will be ahead.

Even if sponsors had a gallery builder or numbered their galleries in a way that the common surfer couldn't just up the galllery number would be a great improvement.

Affiliates will make more money.

No one has to worry about 2257 except the sponsor since the fhg pictures would not be so explicit.

The surfer would join because they are tired of seeing the same o' shit on the new boards and actually go to the site and take a look at the tour for a change.

xclusive · 10-25-2004, 05:44 AM

Ok here's a fact the average surfer these days is not like those of even a year or 2 ago. They are smarter and can distinguish between what is good and what is crap. You have to make sure you have the quality of girls and a great easy on the eyes design. If you have those 2 things you will always do great...

Paul Markham · 10-25-2004, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Herb Kornfield
Exclusive content that also updates on a regular basis will make them more likely to buy.

If the average member jerks off to 2 sets a day and wants to jerk off 5 days a week thats 10 exclusives a week. Who's got $5,000 a week for content?

Quote:

Originally posted by wyldblyss
Porn surfers have been around longer, they have figured out how to get what they want for free. They usually don't buy, they just know where to go to get what they want. The numbers of those people keep increasing. The trick is getting people who don't know the system yet and get them to sign up.

The trick is to give people a good enough deal they do not want to be shunted around the free porn areas. Let's face it we sell porn at $1.00 a day.

As Seth said you have to make it so good they will pay $1.00 a day to jerk off until their dicks drop off. Problem is some do not know how to supply the product.

Look at what you're supplying, does it fit the needs of the customer or the needs of the sellers?

graphicsbytia · 10-25-2004, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lifer
Don't worry, the red x was because of a firewall.

I checked

Tia... I read your article before, I believe. You're right... It won't change.

My point is that Sponsors should cut down the amount of free content given to affiliates and start to "tease" the surfer rather than "expecting" a join.

If sponsors were to start not including some type pictures and video in their free content, they will be ahead.

Even if sponsors had a gallery builder or numbered their galleries in a way that the common surfer couldn't just up the galllery number would be a great improvement.

Affiliates will make more money.

No one has to worry about 2257 except the sponsor since the fhg pictures would not be so explicit.

The surfer would join because they are tired of seeing the same o' shit on the new boards and actually go to the site and take a look at the tour for a change.

You're right, teasing would work much better in my opinion, but not the way they do it now.

Sponsors give away a ton of shit content to use for promotion, use the same tired pics for free content and hosted galleries, and go as far as making new galleries with content that's been used already.

I think it would work much better to give away a very small set of the best pics they have, some softcore, or some content that's censored.

Now I already see a problem with this.. tgp and link lists.. they are in my opinion at the root of the problem.

Sponsors have the affiliates best interest in mind because that benefits the sponsor.. tgps and link lists don't, and are at odds with their webmasters. They won't accept content that's overused or old because they want bookmarkers. It's a no win situation for webmasters and for the industry as a whole.

How to fix this? I wish I knew.. the industry runs on survival of the fittest with no real rules.. no government intervention.. until now.. I had hope when I first saw the proposed changes to the 2257 laws.. but now, I don't know

It'll sure be interesting to see where the chips fall on that

Lifer · 10-25-2004, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
Look at what you're supplying, does it fit the needs of the customer or the needs of the sellers?

Well Charly, I hope the stuff is okay...

Since about half of it came from you.

digifan · 10-25-2004, 05:55 AM

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Originally posted by PiksalDesign

Awesome timeline pic

Theo · 10-25-2004, 06:10 AM

It's an open market and webmasters do what they think it will make them more money. In order to change their way of thinking you need to put on table different approaches, but why would you bother?

Lifer · 10-25-2004, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
but why would you bother?

Because I want to make money as an affiliate

NoCarrier · 10-25-2004, 06:23 AM

Here we go again..

The internet should be free.

The surfers need more free porn.

Give them free porn.

Stop whining.

maxjohan · 10-25-2004, 06:34 AM

I rather join adult channel a month for 15 bucks than
buy porn online for 20-30 bucks.

Surfers spend like 3 hours a month with porn, why the heck
should they buy?

DVTimes · 10-25-2004, 06:38 AM

I tink you are right, but also many sites are poor.

The problem is, people need to know that you offer a good deal.

Many sites are junk.

Paul Markham · 10-25-2004, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lifer
Because I want to make money as an affiliate

It could be a problem of where you are sending the traffic and the traffic you are sending.

For instance if you are usng our content are you send the traffic to a site that reflects what we shoot?

10-25-2004, 04:05 AM	#1
Lifer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Working Posts: 871	Why Don't Surfers Join - Really Why don't surfers join your site? Maybe because you give too much away for free. I'm talking about all those free hosted galleries and the like... Affiliates just post them up and submit them every where. The surfer comes along and gobble gobble... got off for free. If you say that affiliates don't have to use all the hosted content... the surfer has a pretty good idea how to increase the gallery number from gallery5.php to gallery6.php So... It's an honest question... Why do Sponsors give everything away? Nubiles... every week at least 15 galleries of one sort or another. Bruno has over 100 in the master list, though an affiliate does have the opportunity to create a gallery rather than being lazy and just posting Master 1 - Master250. Diesel the same thing. Man... I WANT TO MAKE MONEY!! But where is the incentive for the surfer to buy? OK... I'm sitting now... Tell me to shut the fuck up. __________________ CCBill Sponsor Programs Get Paid On Time - Everytime!

10-25-2004, 04:30 AM	#5
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	yeah you're right, no one pays for porn __________________ I host with Vacares

10-25-2004, 04:33 AM	#6
PiksalDesign Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Jacksonville, NC Posts: 1,632	__________________ 469344657

10-25-2004, 04:35 AM	#7
Lifer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Working Posts: 871	Doesn't anybody care? I don't show the money shot on my pay site. I don't have the money shot in my FHGs... only thumbs. I limit the amount of content given to affiliates. I mean... is it too hard for a sponsor to have gallery numbers that aren't sequential... or to have gallery builder that sequential numbers... Hey... It's your content costs and profits lost. __________________ CCBill Sponsor Programs Get Paid On Time - Everytime!

10-25-2004, 04:54 AM	#17
Lifer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Working Posts: 871	I don't think you really pay for "it". You might pay for add ons and up sell. When free porn is a come on for something else, then the free porn is expendable. I'm not against free porn. I just think a marketing stategy designed to make money is a better idea. Sure... you are making money now... but how much are you losing out on because your FHG system can be exploited? Or that the content in the FHG is so explicit that the dumb ass surfer that was lucky enough to know how to "Google It" got to your site... or more often than not... a tgp. They don't even come to your site man... They get the goodies and split. __________________ CCBill Sponsor Programs Get Paid On Time - Everytime!

10-25-2004, 04:40 AM	#8
webseth Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 362	porn has always been like parking, if you want it enough, you can find it for free. but for ease and convenience you will pay for it. Most surfers are idiots, the people who are sharp enough to click gallery1-250 arent the type of people that will pay for porn in the first place, if you made it harder for them they'd just go on the news groups and edonkey. The best way to make money is with a QUALITY product, make a site that offers ease and convenience, some place with DOWNLOADABLE high quality movies, no consoles to navigate streaming archives. make the jpgs full size (when youre paying , no picture should be < 1024x768) . Build a better mousetrap and stop bitching. - Seth

10-25-2004, 04:42 AM	#9
Odin88 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: au Posts: 3,267	You guys are living in the past. BW is cheap, and exclusive content is moving in. Offer high quality video downloads of exclusive content and you will be fine. You'll never erase free porn, so stop wasting your time.

10-25-2004, 04:44 AM	#12
project_naughty Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 568	There's so much free content from Nubiles.net that I have been able to get off for free on at least a dozen occassions All a surfer has to so is google something like "www.domain.com/nubiles" "girls name" and they get about a hundred galleries all to do with their chosen girl, from 20 different affiliates. Then they can download a thousand pics and four videos and there you go - no need to join. Ironically, nubiles is one of the sites which appears to be surfer friendly. If they limited the number of FHGs then they would get more sign-ups There is actually a way around all this but I'm not going to tell you what it is

10-25-2004, 04:55 AM	#18
Fizzgig Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: In Your Dreams Posts: 9,649	Hehe awesome comment there, I'm going to use this next time a surfer I talk to asks me why he should pay. "porn has always been like parking, if you want it enough, you can find it for free. but for ease and convenience you will pay for it. " Perfect explanation! haha __________________ ---'-,-{@ Sassy Grrrl @}-'-,---

10-25-2004, 05:14 AM	#22
Lifer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Working Posts: 871	I clicked... I just get red x in a box. Don't ya just hate that? Almost as much as a sponsor that will spam you while you are trying to sign up for his affiliate program ww and ls __________________ CCBill Sponsor Programs Get Paid On Time - Everytime!

10-25-2004, 05:16 AM	#23
graphicsbytia Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tennessee Posts: 2,618	Here's an article I wrote about tgp's and link lists.. same idea .. and it could apply to sponsor's content too http://www.graphicsbytia.com/article.html btw.. this article was written in June of 2002, and nothing has changed, if anything, it's gotten worse

10-25-2004, 05:20 AM	#25
s9ann0 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Boston Posts: 4,873	well they join my site and I charge $99.95 recurring on a 1 day trial and my contents all from usenet

10-25-2004, 05:20 AM	#26
Herb Kornfield Is on the 1 Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Philly Burbs Posts: 4,996	Exclusive content that also updates on a regular basis will make them more likely to buy.

10-25-2004, 05:26 AM	#27
wyldblyss Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Buck Starts Here Posts: 5,779	Porn surfers have been around longer, they have figured out how to get what they want for free. They usually don't buy, they just know where to go to get what they want. The numbers of those people keep increasing. The trick is getting people who don't know the system yet and get them to sign up.

10-25-2004, 05:33 AM	#30
Lifer Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Working Posts: 871	Don't worry, the red x was because of a firewall. I checked Tia... I read your article before, I believe. You're right... It won't change. My point is that Sponsors should cut down the amount of free content given to affiliates and start to "tease" the surfer rather than "expecting" a join. If sponsors were to start not including some type pictures and video in their free content, they will be ahead. Even if sponsors had a gallery builder or numbered their galleries in a way that the common surfer couldn't just up the galllery number would be a great improvement. Affiliates will make more money. No one has to worry about 2257 except the sponsor since the fhg pictures would not be so explicit. The surfer would join because they are tired of seeing the same o' shit on the new boards and actually go to the site and take a look at the tour for a change. __________________ CCBill Sponsor Programs Get Paid On Time - Everytime!

10-25-2004, 05:44 AM	#31
xclusive Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 35,218	Ok here's a fact the average surfer these days is not like those of even a year or 2 ago. They are smarter and can distinguish between what is good and what is crap. You have to make sure you have the quality of girls and a great easy on the eyes design. If you have those 2 things you will always do great... __________________ I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /

10-25-2004, 06:10 AM	#36
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	It's an open market and webmasters do what they think it will make them more money. In order to change their way of thinking you need to put on table different approaches, but why would you bother?

10-25-2004, 06:23 AM	#38
NoCarrier We need more free porn Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 16,356	Here we go again.. The internet should be free. The surfers need more free porn. Give them free porn. Stop whining. __________________

10-25-2004, 06:34 AM	#39
maxjohan Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 7,219	I rather join adult channel a month for 15 bucks than buy porn online for 20-30 bucks. Surfers spend like 3 hours a month with porn, why the heck should they buy? __________________ I went from 100 to 313,000 satoshis in 2 days! Lots of daily freerolls...

10-25-2004, 06:38 AM	#40
DVTimes xxx Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: UK Posts: 31,547	I tink you are right, but also many sites are poor. The problem is, people need to know that you offer a good deal. Many sites are junk. __________________ The Affiliate Program