Visa vs. Mastercard - GoFuckYourself.com

daveylapoo · 10-14-2004, 06:06 PM

In your experience, what percentage of surfers use a MC?

If a site only accepts MC and not Visa, there's obviously a detrimental effect, but to what degree? How many sales can one expect to be losing?

The dillema is that a program i use DOES accept visa, but not via CCBill for which the affiliate recieves credit.

Am i losing out bigtime, or is this a moot point?

Mike Okitch · 10-14-2004, 06:13 PM

You're losing out big time

Visa will make a site owner jump through all sorts of hoops before they process one single card. Yet, site owners do it. There's a reason for that.

BigWebRev · 10-14-2004, 06:16 PM

if i remember correctly it's like 65+% are Visa transactions.

tony286 · 10-14-2004, 06:23 PM

have to tell you since the ibill problem we have only been accepting mc and checks signups are up actually. more checks then ever before.

daveylapoo · 10-14-2004, 06:28 PM

Well, that would account for my 1:4000 conversions

daveylapoo · 10-14-2004, 08:07 PM

Any other opinions on this?

Vitasoy · 10-14-2004, 08:12 PM

Try using a different program?

warlock5 · 10-14-2004, 08:13 PM

The real question is, how many people would switch to Mastercard if they couldn't use their Visa for adult sites.

daveylapoo · 10-14-2004, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by warlock5
The real question is, how many people would switch to Mastercard if they couldn't use their Visa for adult sites.

Interesting point.

xclusive · 10-14-2004, 08:52 PM

I think I might have to buy stock in mastercard related stuff...

... · 10-14-2004, 09:24 PM

You know, people say they generate a lot more VISA signups than Mastercard, but this is when they are offering membership via both cards. I think if you just offered MC's, signups will still be pretty good (everyone I know has a Mastercard).

Babagirls · 10-14-2004, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by ...
You know, people say they generate a lot more VISA signups than Mastercard, but this is when they are offering membership via both cards. I think if you just offered MC's, signups will still be pretty good (everyone I know has a Mastercard).

daveylapoo · 10-14-2004, 09:36 PM

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Originally posted by ...
You know, people say they generate a lot more VISA signups than Mastercard, but this is when they are offering membership via both cards. I think if you just offered MC's, signups will still be pretty good (everyone I know has a Mastercard).

O.k. so getting back to the original question:

As an affiliate who can only gain a commision from visa users, how many sales can I expect to be losing?

JakeR · 10-14-2004, 09:43 PM

anyone thinking about cutting out visa will have more success flipping burgers than being a webmaster.

TonyL · 10-14-2004, 11:17 PM

I just ran the stats for the last few month. We have twice as many Visa transactions as MasterCard.

-Tony

baddog · 10-14-2004, 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by tony404
have to tell you since the ibill problem we have only been accepting mc and checks signups are up actually. more checks then ever before.

checks bounce like rubber balls

tony286 · 10-14-2004, 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by baddog
checks bounce like rubber balls

not if you are using wts bank

psyko514 · 10-14-2004, 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by daveylapoo
O.k. so getting back to the original question:

As an affiliate who can only gain a commision from visa users, how many sales can I expect to be losing?

If the site you're promoting takes both Visa and Mastercard, but only pays you for Mastercard signups, you're losing a lot.

If the site only accepts Visa or MC, Visa sales will typically be twice as high as MC sales. So 67% of sales are Visa, 33% are MC. So chances are, you're losing around 67% of your potential income.

In short, if the program isn't paying you for Visa signups, stop sending them traffic. You're giving them free sales.

daveylapoo · 10-15-2004, 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by psyko514
If the site you're promoting takes both Visa and Mastercard, but only pays you for Mastercard signups, you're losing a lot.

If the site only accepts Visa or MC, Visa sales will typically be twice as high as MC sales. So 67% of sales are Visa, 33% are MC. So chances are, you're losing around 67% of your potential income.

In short, if the program isn't paying you for Visa signups, stop sending them traffic. You're giving them free sales.

Thank you. That's what i figured. I think the sponsor did at one time, and then stopped for some reason. It's roughly around this time the whole 1:4000 thing started happening.

Shortbread · 10-15-2004, 01:05 AM

I used to work at a restaurant. When they switched over owners, the new owners had to get their own Visa and Mastercard. For the longest time, at least a month, we didn't have Visa and only Mastercard. Turns out, that's what a lot of people had, and not much else, if anything else. We had some very upset customers and sometimes we even had to pay their bill. Visa wins.

daveylapoo · 10-15-2004, 01:11 AM

This is a very informative thread, thanks for all the replys. Surely this program owner is aware that his affiliates are getting screwed out of damn near 3/4 of their sales.

Nice guy, and a cool site to promote. Too bad.

psyko514 · 10-15-2004, 01:14 AM

Gonna let us all know who it is?

daveylapoo · 10-15-2004, 01:19 AM

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Gonna let us all know who it is?

Not on the boards, no. If you reeeeally need to know hit me at dave at dailyfunk.com

It's a very small ccbill sponsor, and I happen to like the guy and the site. I just don't think I can continue to send him traffic.

reynold · 10-15-2004, 01:23 AM

Most people USE VISA not MC. So the chances of this being a big problem are quite small.

daveylapoo · 10-15-2004, 01:25 AM

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Originally posted by reynold
Most people USE VISA not MC. So the chances of this being a big problem are quite small.

That's just it. They sign up with visa, and the webmaster gets 100% of the sale.

10-14-2004, 06:06 PM	#1
daveylapoo Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 423	Visa vs. Mastercard In your experience, what percentage of surfers use a MC? If a site only accepts MC and not Visa, there's obviously a detrimental effect, but to what degree? How many sales can one expect to be losing? The dillema is that a program i use DOES accept visa, but not via CCBill for which the affiliate recieves credit. Am i losing out bigtime, or is this a moot point?

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	have to tell you since the ibill problem we have only been accepting mc and checks signups are up actually. more checks then ever before.

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daveylapoo Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 423	Well, that would account for my 1:4000 conversions

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daveylapoo Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 423	Any other opinions on this?

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warlock5 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Uranus Posts: 2,808	The real question is, how many people would switch to Mastercard if they couldn't use their Visa for adult sites.

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TonyL Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: "A measure of a man is his post count". Write that down. Posts: 900	I just ran the stats for the last few month. We have twice as many Visa transactions as MasterCard. -Tony

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Shortbread Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,181	I used to work at a restaurant. When they switched over owners, the new owners had to get their own Visa and Mastercard. For the longest time, at least a month, we didn't have Visa and only Mastercard. Turns out, that's what a lot of people had, and not much else, if anything else. We had some very upset customers and sometimes we even had to pay their bill. Visa wins. __________________ http://www.makingcoin.com http://www.coinscuties.com 203813007

10-15-2004, 01:11 AM	#21
daveylapoo Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 423	This is a very informative thread, thanks for all the replys. Surely this program owner is aware that his affiliates are getting screwed out of damn near 3/4 of their sales. Nice guy, and a cool site to promote. Too bad.

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