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Clicky_Bucks · 10-11-2004, 01:11 PM

John Kerry just slipped and said something so ridiculous that he won't be able to talk his way out of it like he has done so far.

We should accept an "acceptable level of terror"?

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Unscripted without Begala and Carville

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush's campaign announced Sunday its plans to use as the basis of a new commercial a quote from an 8,000-word New York Times Magazine article about Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry.

The parsing prompted the Kerry camp to retort that the soon-to-be-released Bush ad was another example of the president's campaign taking words out of context to create a misleading impression.

In the magazine article, a largely analytical cover story by Matt Bai, Kerry is asked "what it would take for Americans to feel safe again." (Special Report: America Votes 2004)

''We have to get back to the place we were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they're a nuisance,'' the article states as the Massachusetts senator's reply.

''As a former law enforcement person, I know we're never going to end prostitution. We're never going to end illegal gambling. But we're going to reduce it, organized crime, to a level where it isn't on the rise. It isn't threatening people's lives every day, and fundamentally, it's something that you continue to fight, but it's not threatening the fabric of your life.''

Kerry was a prosecutor before he got into politics, and made fighting organized crime a priority.

Bush campaign Chairman Marc Racicot, in an appearance on CNN's "Late Edition," interpreted Kerry's remarks as saying "that the war on terrorism is like a nuisance. He equated it to prostitution and gambling, a nuisance activity. You know, quite frankly, I just don't think he has the right view of the world. It's a pre-9/11 view of the world."

Republican Party Chairman Ed Gillespie, on CBS' "Face the Nation," used similar language.

"Terrorism is not a law enforcement matter, as John Kerry repeatedly says. Terrorist activities are not like gambling. Terrorist activities are not like prostitution. And this demonstrates a disconcerting pre-September 11 mindset that will not make our country safer. And that is what we see relative to winning the war on terror and relative to Iraq."

The Bush-Cheney campaign also announced it was releasing an ad highlighting Kerry's comment.

Reuters reported that the new Bush commercial's script asks "How can Kerry protect us when he doesn't understand the threat?"

Kerry campaign spokesman Phil Singer called the Republican charges "absolutely ridiculous."

"This is yet another example of the Bush campaign taking John Kerry's words out of context, and then blowing it up into something that is nothing," he said.

"The whole article is about how John Kerry recognizes that the war on terror requires a multipronged approach. It's not just the military aspect, but you need diplomacy to be able to enlist your allies. The Bush people have never understood that. John Kerry has always said that terrorism is the No. 1 threat to the U.S."

Kerry consistently has rejected assertions that he underestimates the threat of terrorism or views the battle against it as solely a law enforcement matter. He argues that law enforcement and intelligence are critical elements of the battle against terrorism, and that Bush has said the same thing.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who was chairman of the Democratic National Convention, where Kerry got his party's nomination in July, said on "Late Edition," "Senator Kerry has said that the No. 1 threat to America is international terrorism, al Qaeda."

tony286 · 10-11-2004, 01:13 PM

Kerry is right Whats your point?

Johny Traffic · 10-11-2004, 01:15 PM

I thought this thread meant it was really over

mardigras · 10-11-2004, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by tony404
Kerry is right Whats your point?

Yeah, the post definitely didn't match the subject line

eroswebmaster · 10-11-2004, 01:17 PM

Anyone with a lick of sense knows exactly what he means..and those who pretend they don't have an agenda.

So let me spell it out for those who are dumber than sticks.

There was a time when Terrorism didn't rule our lives...like for the last 50+ years where we knew it existed..but we didn't have fear mongers and talking heads on our nightly television telling us about the big bad bogeyman who was going to spike our water...blow up our ferries...carry shoe bombs on our planes.

We were attacked in '93...but yet we all lived our lives normally until 2001...all of a sudden we were in danger...we've always been in danger..it will happen again at some point but we have to get to a point where we control it..and it doesn't control us.

SuckOnThis · 10-11-2004, 01:18 PM

I really cannot figure out who is more stupid, Bush or his supporters.

Clicky_Bucks · 10-11-2004, 01:19 PM

Terrorism isn't a law enforcement type issue. To compare it to gambling and prostitution is assinine. Jeez, next he's going to compare it to online pornography.

Like his opinion or not, this is the nail in the coffin. It's already all over ALL THE NEWS SHOWS.

This is not good for Kerry.

Priapus · 10-11-2004, 01:21 PM

I hope bush wins so we can impeach him and throw him in jail for war crimes. Shitz gonna hit the fan in iraq after the election. If kerry wins he'll be fucked cause there is no way to win that war, no fucking way. I don't want to see it, but I predict we spend at least 1 trillion before getting out and loose 10-20 thousand us troops. And yes this had and will coninute to make us less safe and lead to terrorist attacks on the us that make 911 look like a holiday. Bush you made the mess you clean it up! o and gofuckyourself!

stocktrader23 · 10-11-2004, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Clicky_Bucks
Terrorism isn't a law enforcement type issue. To compare it to gambling and prostitution is assinine. Jeez, next he's going to compare it to online pornography.

Like his opinion or not, this is the nail in the coffin. It's already all over ALL THE NEWS SHOWS.

This is not good for Kerry.

LMAO, you guys are too much.

blazi · 10-11-2004, 01:21 PM

I'm confused, not quite sure what that quote by Kerry is suppose to mean?

mardigras · 10-11-2004, 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by Clicky_Bucks
Terrorism isn't a law enforcement type issue.

If you think terrorism isn't a law enforcement type issue then you haven't read The Patriot Act

CamChicks · 10-11-2004, 01:22 PM

I'm afraid America can't handle reality or truth. Of course terrorism will never end. But you can't tell Americans that. You have to promise them the impossible. They'll vote for what they want to hear.

If, after 9/11, we had treated the attackers as criminals, and pursued all individuals responsible until everyone involved was captured or killed, that would have been Justice anyone could recognize, and the whole world would still be on our side.

Instead it was used as an excuse for more imperialism and motivated a million more potential terrorists. We have turned a small gang of villains into a global army.

TheJimmy · 10-11-2004, 01:22 PM

the only way the election is 'over' is if this country prooves itself to be filled with violent religious rednecks who love prison and war...

ronaldo · 10-11-2004, 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster
Anyone with a lick of sense knows exactly what he means..and those who pretend they don't have an agenda.

That's exceptionally nice of you I must say.

I, on the other hand would simply come out and say that there are alot of stupid people that probably shouldn't be allowed to vote, because they're not smart enough to filter through all the bullshit rhetoric.

Priapus · 10-11-2004, 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by CamChicks
I'm afraid America can't handle reality or truth. Of course terrorism will never end. But you can't tell Americans that. You have to promise them the impossible. They'll vote for what they want to hear.

If, after 9/11, we had treated the attackers as criminals, and pursued all individuals responsible until everyone involved was captured or killed, that would have been Justice anyone could recognize, and the whole world would still be on our side.

Instead it was used as an excuse for more imperialism and motivated a million more potential terrorists. We have turned a small gang of villains into a global army.

well said. we had a chance and bush pissed it away to finally go get iraqi oil and big reconstruction contracts for all his haves and have mores.

eroswebmaster · 10-11-2004, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by ronaldo
That's exceptionally nice of you I must say.

I, on the other hand would simply come out and say that there are alot of stupid people that probably shouldn't be allowed to vote, because they're not smart enough to filter through all the bullshit rhetoric.

I guess I was in a good mood when I posted it. ;)

Drake · 10-11-2004, 01:29 PM

Terrorism will never end. It's always been and always will be. What about that is hard to understand? THAT is a realistic post 9/11 view of the world.

Clicky_Bucks · 10-11-2004, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by ronaldo
That's exceptionally nice of you I must say.

I, on the other hand would simply come out and say that there are alot of stupid people that probably shouldn't be allowed to vote, because they're not smart enough to filter through all the bullshit rhetoric.

Ah elitist liberalism at it's finest!! Cool, you tell us how we should run the country. Your votes count as five because you are just so smart!!!

eroswebmaster · 10-11-2004, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by Mike33
Terrorism will never end. It's always been and always will be. What about that is hard to understand? THAT is a realistic post 9/11 view of the world.

It should have been a realistic pre-9/11 view of the world too...we just liked to pretend it only happens elsewhere..and now we *the american public* imagines it's happening everywhere.

edited to add: and by that they see terrorists outside their houses...in their stores...people have been downright paranoid for going on 3 years now.

mardigras · 10-11-2004, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by Priapus
well said. we had a chance and bush pissed it away to finally go get iraqi oil and big reconstruction contracts for all his haves and have mores.

Exactly. The people who attacked us on 9/11 weren't in/from Iraq. There were so many guilty parties and others deserving of any US military force that would not have squandered the good will and sympathy much of the world had toward us after the attacks...

ronaldo · 10-11-2004, 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by Clicky_Bucks
Ah elitist liberalism at it's finest!! Cool, you tell us how we should run the country. Your votes count as five because you are just so smart!!!

LOL, I'm more conservative than anything my friend.

I could never run as a politician because I'd be run out of town so fast there'd be no point. I deal in common sense. Something sadly missing in the political arena.

It's sad when Chris Rock has a more intelligent view of politics than the average citizen.

I'm conservative on some issues and liberal on others. I DON'T let ANY party tell me how I should vote.

Each issue is different and party lines should have no relevance. Unfortunately, they do. That's where our "Democracy" falls apart.

BRISK · 10-11-2004, 01:49 PM

Even though I don't like Bush, I still think he's going to win.

mardigras · 10-11-2004, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Even though I don't like Bush, I still think he's going to win.

Half of America wants him, 20% or < of the world wants him

Drake · 10-11-2004, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by ronaldo
I'm conservative on some issues and liberal on others. I DON'T let ANY party tell me how I should vote.

Each issue is different and party lines should have no relevance. Unfortunately, they do. That's where our "Democracy" falls apart.

I'm the same way. Part of the problem is people who think they need to fall within a party and once they choose a party they have to agree with everything in that party. It's OK to disagree with SOME of the issues your party is in favor of. Quite frankly, you should be concerned if you find that 100% of your views are in line with anybody elses including your party's. We all have slightly varying perspectives on things.

You could agree with Hitler's noble effort to make Germany a world power again and a center of science and civiliation, but not his policy of slaughtering jews.

Centurion · 10-11-2004, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by Clicky_Bucks
Terrorism isn't a law enforcement type issue. To compare it to gambling and prostitution is assinine. Jeez, next he's going to compare it to online pornography.

Like his opinion or not, this is the nail in the coffin. It's already all over ALL THE NEWS SHOWS.

This is not good for Kerry.

You wish!

It is amazing how the Republicans STRIVE to keep Americans fearful. They are not comming up with any new plans. They don't put forth new ideas to deal with terror, and exit strategy in Iraq, how to handle North Korea or Iran, what to do about the Palestinian issue, or frankly ANYTHING in forgeign policy.

On the domestic front, they have ONE program:TAX CUTS!
And those go mostly to those that don't need and do not create jobs (last report..92,000 jobs created when they were expecting around 150,000 PLUS instead).

More jobs have been lost than created during the Bush regime.

So, when your record is bad and you have nothing to offer the American people, simply go 100% negative and VILLIFY your opponent as best you can because they are OUT OF OPTIONS!

Centurion · 10-11-2004, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by CamChicks
I'm afraid America can't handle reality or truth. Of course terrorism will never end. But you can't tell Americans that. You have to promise them the impossible. They'll vote for what they want to hear.

Even Bush just before the Republican convention said "No, we'll neve be able to really win the war on terror."

And actually, he's RIGHT! (for an incredible what..FIRST time!)
How do you DEFEAT terrorism completely? The only way to do it is to KILL every human being on the planet. ANY one person is capable of terrorism..and all you can do is CONTROL it, and REDUCE it. Terrorism has been around since the dawn of time and will continue to be so until the "end of times".

Centurion · 10-11-2004, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by Clicky_Bucks
Ah elitist liberalism at it's finest!! Cool, you tell us how we should run the country. Your votes count as five because you are just so smart!!!

Thank you for proving my point! When the right wingers HAVE NO ARGUMENT against someone else's point, they fall back on "labels" and generalizations because they cannot defend their position.

Peacemaker · 10-11-2004, 02:05 PM

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You could agree with Hitler's noble effort to make Germany a world power again and a center of science and civiliation, but not his policy of slaughtering jews. [/B]

sure.. france, netherland, poland etc were more than happy with his "noble effort".. yeah right..
get real

chaze · 10-11-2004, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by Johny Traffic
I thought this thread meant it was really over

Thinking the same same,

Where is the screw up on Kerrys part?

BlingDaddy · 10-11-2004, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Even though I don't like Bush, I still think he's going to win.

He is..... becasue The Dem's couldn't come up with a worse candidate. John Kerry is a 1st class moron who wants the Presidency as a trophy. He'll say anything to get it.

http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/flipflop.htm

Drake · 10-11-2004, 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by Peacemaker
sure.. france, netherland, poland etc were more than happy with his "noble effort".. yeah right..
get real

Did you read what I wrote? I focused on two things. Hitler's idea for a stronger Germany and Hitler's policy of killing innocent people.

I said one of those ideas was good (nothing wrong with wanting your country strong) and one was bad. You seem to be suggesting I implied something quite different. Making your country the center of science, power, and civilization is a noble effort. Killing innocent people is not.

Hitler had many other policies and many other ideas. I focused on two of them to make a point. My argument stands.

Clicky_Bucks · 10-11-2004, 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by Centurion
Thank you for proving my point! When the right wingers HAVE NO ARGUMENT against someone else's point, they fall back on "labels" and generalizations because they cannot defend their position.

What position couldn't I support? The one that people in America are smart enough and should have the right to vote?

Peacemaker · 10-11-2004, 02:21 PM

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Originally posted by Mike33
Did you read what I wrote? I focused on two things. Hitler's idea for a stronger Germany and Hitler's policy of killing innocent people.

I said one of those ideas was good (nothing wrong with wanting your country strong) and one was bad. You seem to be suggesting I implied something quite different. Making your country the center of science, power, and civilization is a noble effort. Killing innocent people is not.

Hitler had many other policies and many other ideas. I focused on two of them to make a point. My argument stands.

no offence, but it was "his war" that should have made germany stronger. and thats just wrong.

Xplicit · 10-11-2004, 02:23 PM

Yeah, the article itself isnt the issue, its the way Kerry says things that can SO EASILY be taken out of context and be used against him.

I mean, they use the same tatics against Bush, so he should know what hes doing. Every single sentence needs to be worded carefully during a campaign.

This kind of sloppy rambling is whats gonna hurt him in the end.

mardigras · 10-11-2004, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by BlingDaddy
He is..... becasue The Dem's couldn't come up with a worse candidate. John Kerry is a 1st class moron who wants the Presidency as a trophy. He'll say anything to get it.

http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/flipflop.htm

Then by all means vote for Bush who comes complete with John Ashc-r-o-ft who spends time covering up the boobs on classic American art treasures and has his eyes on the prize of controlling what Americans see on the internet (notice I did not say control what is on the internet.

Recent decisions by the supreme court have been decided by 1 vote. If you are of the mind it's better to give up much liberty for a bit of security, then by all means put the warmongers back in power for another 4 years and pump up their wallets at $2.50+/gallon. Who's your daddy? Rumsfeld.

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Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	Terrorism will never end. It's always been and always will be. What about that is hard to understand? THAT is a realistic post 9/11 view of the world.

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Xplicit Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: █◄►█ Posts: 3,558	Yeah, the article itself isnt the issue, its the way Kerry says things that can SO EASILY be taken out of context and be used against him. I mean, they use the same tatics against Bush, so he should know what hes doing. Every single sentence needs to be worded carefully during a campaign. This kind of sloppy rambling is whats gonna hurt him in the end.