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CyberTraffic · 10-11-2004, 12:49 AM

All that matters is how you market yourself, your company and how you treat those who you must work with in your endeavors, whether they're friends or enemies.

cali_22 · 10-11-2004, 12:53 AM

ehman

Doctor Dre · 10-11-2004, 12:54 AM

Actually it does in some feild of work but not really in this business

xclusive · 10-11-2004, 12:54 AM

That is so true but I still try my best to not fuck people over...

smack · 10-11-2004, 12:55 AM

marketting is and always has been king.

and no publicity is bad publicity.

stocktrader23 · 10-11-2004, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by smack
marketting is and always has been king.

and no publicity is bad publicity.

I didn't know another soul that was a webmaster for my first 1.5 years in business. I consider it a blessing.

boobmaster · 10-11-2004, 01:03 AM

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Originally posted by CyberTraffic
All that matters is how you market yourself, your company and how you treat those who you must work with in your endeavors, whether they're friends or enemies.

Perceptions can be false. Marketing can be deceptive.

stocktrader23 · 10-11-2004, 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
Perceptions can be false. Marketing can be deceptive.

You have nothing to market moron.

reynold · 10-11-2004, 01:08 AM

yes,at first marketing yourself is really matters but, when you are inside the company all good traits are important... to keep you in that company

quiet · 10-11-2004, 01:10 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
I didn't know another soul that was a webmaster for my first 1.5 years in business. I consider it a blessing.

i always had connections, but did nothing other than lurk boards for the first 5 years of my involvement in this biz. i definitely consider that a blessing.

stocktrader23 · 10-11-2004, 01:12 AM

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Originally posted by quiet
i always had connections, but did nothing other than lurk boards for the first 5 years of my involvement in this biz. i definitely consider that a blessing.

Did you see the suprise from people at my puny downline? My real downline puts many people to shame and it's made up of people that never owned a site before I talked to em. Crazy world adult is.

CET · 10-11-2004, 01:19 AM

All the marketing in the world means squat if you are known to be disloyal, untrustworthy, unethical and a slacker. Case in point, Wet Honeys. How many people did he rip off?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-11-2004, 01:25 AM

Ya folks would be amazed at the number of scum bags that hide and change there names etc and pop back up in a new suit...

Well some of ya would be

Amputate Your Head. · 10-11-2004, 01:33 AM

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Originally posted by quiet
i always had connections, but did nothing other than lurk boards for the first 5 years of my involvement in this biz. i definitely consider that a blessing.

which is why you can't hold together a simple thing like a bbs..... lol

fucking loser.

quiet · 10-11-2004, 01:35 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head.
which is why you can't hold together a simple thing like a bbs..... lol

fucking loser.

i'm a multi-millionaire. you are shell of a board troll. enough said

Amputate Your Head. · 10-11-2004, 01:35 AM

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Originally posted by quiet
i'm a multi-millionaire. you are shell of a board troll. enough said

you are a fucking joke dave.

quiet · 10-11-2004, 01:37 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head.

you are a fucking joke dave.

cheers todd.

Amputate Your Head. · 10-11-2004, 01:38 AM

I am, what I WANT you to think I am. And that's all that matters.

stocktrader23 · 10-11-2004, 01:40 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head.
I am, what I WANT you to think I am. And that's all that matters.

You are what you want to think you are is what you mean.

Amputate Your Head. · 10-11-2004, 01:41 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
You are what you want to think you are is what you mean.

reach down and pick up one of those clues scattered about you son..... they're everywhere.

Amputate Your Head. · 10-11-2004, 01:42 AM

i'm sure quiet will tell you... he's no doubt been collecting a few of those very obvious clues lately.

lol

Paul Markham · 10-11-2004, 01:44 AM

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Originally posted by smack
marketting is and always has been king.

and no publicity is bad publicity.

No it's not, first you have to have something to market, be able to deliver and then marketing is King.

Try marketing dog shit or the Crown Jewels for $50.

Jakke PNG · 10-11-2004, 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by smack
and no publicity is bad publicity.

So you would do business with both sexed and boobmaster? since both have had a lot of publicity, and since there's no bad publicity...

stocktrader23 · 10-11-2004, 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head.
reach down and pick up one of those clues scattered about you son..... they're everywhere.

Translation: My girlfriend makes a shitpile of money so I mooch off of her.

Amputate Your Head. · 10-11-2004, 01:47 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
Translation: My wife makes a shitpile of money so I mooch off of her.

I'm not married.

Paul Markham · 10-11-2004, 01:53 AM

Business is normally about three things, there are others but these are the main ones.

Product.

Delivery.

Marketing

With one element you will fail, any two elements you might just struggle by, with all three you will succeed, the extent depends on the quality and balance of the three elements.

Before I arrived here I could shoot content, so had a product. Knew how to deliver it and set about building sites to do just that. Then I needed marketing, so made myself as conspicuous as possible in this section of the porn industry.

I think CyberTraffic is living in the past, becasue sites that do not deliver today get shut down by Visa or never open up. We as an industry are delivering a better product every day, those who think all they have to do is drive more traffic at a site that is full of crap or does not work are fools.

And can they please close the door as they leave.

Paul Markham · 10-11-2004, 01:55 AM

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Originally posted by smack

and no publicity is bad publicity.

Go tell that to Ron at PIB, I'm sure he will agree with you.

stocktrader23 · 10-11-2004, 02:07 AM

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Originally posted by charly
those who think all they have to do is drive more traffic at a site that is full of crap or does not work are fools.

I disagree. I've made plenty of money sending to sites you would call crap but I set up my own pages to promote them. All in the marketing.

Paul Markham · 10-11-2004, 02:20 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
I disagree. I've made plenty of money sending to sites you would call crap but I set up my own pages to promote them. All in the marketing.

I did not say you would not make any money.

But how much more money would you have made by sending the traffic to good sites full of good content that was well delivered?

Or do you think sending traffic to crap sites is going to make you more money?

There are other elements to this, can all the people working in the industry recognise the difference between good and bad content? Look at some of the girls in the "Hot Babe" threads. Enough of the surfers can to make a difference to your income.

Then what damage has it done to everyones income by turning a paying surfer into a free surfer? If what we offer is no better than what he can get for free, what damage does that do to all of our incomes?

sharpx9 · 10-11-2004, 02:22 AM

werd.

stocktrader23 · 10-11-2004, 02:26 AM

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Originally posted by charly
I did not say you would not make any money.

But how much more money would you have made by sending the traffic to good sites full of good content that was well delivered?

Or do you think sending traffic to crap sites is going to make you more money?

There are other elements to this, can all the people working in the industry recognise the difference between good and bad content? Look at some of the girls in the "Hot Babe" threads. Enough of the surfers can to make a difference to your income.

Then what damage has it done to everyones income by turning a paying surfer into a free surfer? If what we offer is no better than what he can get for free, what damage does that do to all of our incomes?

I would have made the same. I work with webcams. The site in question had a common webcam feed that many sites use, many of which only charge $20 per month. The site was filled with content only so the front end could be setup where nobody would know what the fuck I was doing, a generic paysite. I know a few others here that market similar to the way I do and I would bet that collectively their ratios / income is more than the average webmasters by a long shot. Now, standard TGP traffic would be a different story where fresh content could make a difference. Lucky for me I don't specialize in TGP traffic.

Amputate Your Head. · 10-11-2004, 02:29 AM

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Originally posted by charly
I did not say you would not make any money.

But how much more money would you have made by sending the traffic to good sites full of good content that was well delivered?

Or do you think sending traffic to crap sites is going to make you more money?

There are other elements to this, can all the people working in the industry recognise the difference between good and bad content? Look at some of the girls in the "Hot Babe" threads. Enough of the surfers can to make a difference to your income.

Then what damage has it done to everyones income by turning a paying surfer into a free surfer? If what we offer is no better than what he can get for free, what damage does that do to all of our incomes?

you do realize that you're talking to a wall here right?

99% of the people here are not of the level of business that you're creating a post like that for. They don't care, and they never will.
I fully understand where you're coming from..... but to be honest here, and no offense.... I think you're wasting your breath brah.

stocktrader23 · 10-11-2004, 02:33 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head.
you do realize that you're talking to a wall here right?

99% of the people here are not of the level of business that you're creating a post like that for. They don't care, and they never will.
I fully understand where you're coming from..... but to be honest here, and no offense.... I think you're wasting your breath brah.

In this case he would be talking to a wall. This is simply because I made more on my $700 initial investment than most could hope for on thousands spent. $300 of the investment was just to make the cookie cutter frontend so nobody would be snooping around my shit trying to figure out what I was doing.

Paul Markham · 10-11-2004, 02:40 AM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head.
you do realize that you're talking to a wall here right?

99% of the people here are not of the level of business that you're creating a post like that for. They don't care, and they never will.
I fully understand where you're coming from..... but to be honest here, and no offense.... I think you're wasting your breath brah.

I think you're right, 90% here adopt the "Throw shit at a wall and some will stick"

Fortunately they are dying off ar getting smaller, becasue the member is starting to learn the power of the charge back.

Do you think we would be at a 1% cieling if we adopted a different attiude?

Stocktrader still thinks that by improving his product it would of made no difference to his income. Duuuuhhhhh.

stocktrader23 · 10-11-2004, 02:48 AM

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Originally posted by charly

Stocktrader still thinks that by improving his product it would of made no difference to his income. Duuuuhhhhh.

Let me explain in detail for you since you don't get it.

I took a webcam feed that hundreds of webmasters use. Most of these webmasters load their site with custom content, personal cam shows, and filler content then charge $20 to $40 per month for a membership.

I took the same webcam feed and put it in a members area. I put in cheap filler content just so I could make the frontend look like "just another paysite" and MARKETED it in a different way. Not only did I charge more for a 1 week trial than some get for a monthly membership, I rebilled to $50 per month and had retention longer than what I've heard the industry average is.

Now to make it clear one last time: I MARKETED something that hundreds of webmasters market also. Without any extras in my site I charged more for it than any others do and converted at a great ratio. Point being my MARKETING took a standard feed and made it worth much more. Duuuuuuuuhhhh.

fr33s3x · 10-11-2004, 02:56 AM

boobmaster · 10-11-2004, 03:06 AM

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Originally posted by TeenGodFather
So you would do business with both sexed and boobmaster? since both have had a lot of publicity, and since there's no bad publicity...

Don't put me in the same category as that fucking pedophile! Unlike him, I am a REAL webmaster who runs sites for models. My models are sweet and they OWN me. I'm just an animal in a cage. Their sites convert. That's the bottom line.

Paul Markham · 10-11-2004, 03:53 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
Now to make it clear one last time: I MARKETED something that hundreds of webmasters market also. Without any extras in my site I charged more for it than any others do and converted at a great ratio. Point being my MARKETING took a standard feed and made it worth much more. Duuuuuuuuhhhh.

So you would not of made any more money by having the same GREAT marketing and a better product?

No matter how much you argue you can't get around the fact that if a product is better, more would have retained and spent more. Marketing is important but if you use the same level/skills market product A that is super, you will earn more than marketing product B which is inferior.

If you use good content on the tour you will attract more, if you use better content to drive more traffic so you convert more. Being on 100 TGP sites a day with bad content will never bring the response of being on 100 TGP sites with good content.

Unless you could not recognise a better product.

Like I said Duuuuhhhhh.

NiteRain · 10-11-2004, 04:11 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
Translation: My girlfriend makes a shitpile of money so I mooch off of her.

stocktrader23 · 10-11-2004, 04:14 AM

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Originally posted by charly
So you would not of made any more money by having the same GREAT marketing and a better product?

No matter how much you argue you can't get around the fact that if a product is better, more would have retained and spent more. Marketing is important but if you use the same level/skills market product A that is super, you will earn more than marketing product B which is inferior.

If you use good content on the tour you will attract more, if you use better content to drive more traffic so you convert more. Being on 100 TGP sites a day with bad content will never bring the response of being on 100 TGP sites with good content.

Unless you could not recognise a better product.

Like I said Duuuuhhhhh.

And I'm telling you for a fact using a tour would have made me less money. The marketing included bypassing the damn tour. I already told you I don't use TGP's where your theory holds water, I prefer good traffic.

Paul Markham · 10-11-2004, 05:01 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
And I'm telling you for a fact using a tour would have made me less money. The marketing included bypassing the damn tour. I already told you I don't use TGP's where your theory holds water, I prefer good traffic.

So you gave the surfer nothing to help him decide to sign up, just a few words?

But then words are also content and the right ones will sign up more than the wrong ones.

And once inside your site the content had nothing to do with the retention or the level of charge backs?

Even if it's poor content, but poor content at a great price, that makes it great value. Therefore great content for the price. But if you can deliver better content for the same price you would have earned more.

I understand that the number and quality of people that see a site reflects what you will earn, but the product and deleivery also effects your income and you can never get around it.

However to the others reading this, who might have less of a closed mind.

What you sell, how you deliver and the number/quality of people you show it to directly effect your income.

There are lots of little tricks you can employ to tweak up your response, but ignore or downplay one element and it will have a detrimental effect on your earnings. Always be looking to improve what you deliver, how you deliver it and how you market it.

polish_aristocrat · 10-11-2004, 05:08 AM

I start thinking more and more that boards are only a waste of time.

If you don't shoot content, don't sell traffic and don't own any affiliate program, you don't have to be here.

SirSmokeALot · 10-11-2004, 05:16 AM

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Originally posted by CyberTraffic
All that matters is how you market yourself, your company and how you treat those who you must work with in your endeavors, whether they're friends or enemies.

Actullay I couldn't agree with you more. However I seem to have won a contest that you yourself put togther. I won 1st prize $100 in traffic from Triple X Traffic.com. I haven't heard from you and I haven't seen the traffic yet. This was a few months back mind you.

http://www.thisjobsux.com/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=105&

"how you treat those who you must work with in your endeavors"
just caught my eye.

webmaster[at]junkiehost.com

Nightnday · 10-11-2004, 05:51 AM

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Originally posted by SirSmokeALot
Actullay I couldn't agree with you more. However I seem to have won a contest that you yourself put togther. I won 1st prize $100 in traffic from Triple X Traffic.com. I haven't heard from you and I haven't seen the traffic yet. This was a few months back mind you.

http://www.thisjobsux.com/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=105&

"how you treat those who you must work with in your endeavors"
just caught my eye.

webmaster[at]junkiehost.com

I second that!!!

Where's my prize????

SirSmokeALot · 10-11-2004, 05:56 AM

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Originally posted by Nightnday
I second that!!!

Where's my prize????

Thats right, you where 2nd prize. hmmmm

What are the odds of the payout?

Rebel D · 10-11-2004, 07:41 AM

I think you Need a Blend.
I Personally Don't Market Myself on Boards alot. I use Hard working and trustworthy for a Word to mouth Sort of Marketing.
You Can market Shit to Look good in the Right angle. but in the End Shit is Just shit.

Za Ha · 10-11-2004, 07:47 AM

Not true.
Marketing can only get you so far.
Hard work and a good product make companies successful.
You can market shit to someone and they will buy it, but it is highly unlikely that they will come back. And no matter how you look at it, a repeat buyer costs any company less than a new buyer.

stocktrader23 · 10-11-2004, 07:50 AM

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Originally posted by Za Ha
Not true.
Marketing can only get you so far.
Hard work and a good product make companies successful.
You can market shit to someone and they will buy it, but it is highly unlikely that they will come back. And no matter how you look at it, a repeat buyer costs any company less than a new buyer.

Tell that to the penis pill crowd.

Za Ha · 10-11-2004, 07:54 AM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
Tell that to the penis pill crowd.

They work. I added a full 3 inches already, so Im up to 4 now. lol

That is an exception. Because with ""medication"", the customer will try things again and again because he hopes that it will help. Same thing with weight loss products. Ppl HOPE that the next thing they buy will help them lose weight while eating and watching tv all day. And even though the products dont help, ppl buy the next thing because of thier idiotic hopefulness.

Rebel D · 10-11-2004, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by Za Ha
Not true.
Marketing can only get you so far.
Hard work and a good product make companies successful.
You can market shit to someone and they will buy it, but it is highly unlikely that they will come back. And no matter how you look at it, a repeat buyer costs any company less than a new buyer.

couldn;t have said it better myself. You are renewing next month right

10-11-2004, 12:49 AM	#1
CyberTraffic Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Traffic Land ~ ICQ:213666533 Posts: 2,187	It does'nt matter how legit, loyal, trustworthy, ethical or hard-working you are All that matters is how you market yourself, your company and how you treat those who you must work with in your endeavors, whether they're friends or enemies.

10-11-2004, 12:54 AM	#4
xclusive Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 35,218	That is so true but I still try my best to not fuck people over... __________________ I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /

10-11-2004, 12:55 AM	#5
smack Push Porn Like Weight. Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Inside .NET Posts: 10,652	marketting is and always has been king. and no publicity is bad publicity. __________________ Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

10-11-2004, 01:19 AM	#12
CET Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,754	All the marketing in the world means squat if you are known to be disloyal, untrustworthy, unethical and a slacker. Case in point, Wet Honeys. How many people did he rip off? __________________ Alt Journals, Blogs for Perverts! Fitness and nutrition writer, and UNIX/Linux Sys Ad in training "Just as a man who has fallen into a heap of filth ought to seek the great pond of water covered with lotuses, which is near by: even so seek thou for the great deathless lake of Nirvana to wash off the defilement of wrong. If the lake is not sought, it is not the fault of the lake."

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10-11-2004, 01:08 AM	#9
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	yes,at first marketing yourself is really matters but, when you are inside the company all good traits are important... to keep you in that company

10-11-2004, 01:38 AM	#18
Amputate Your Head. So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Way fucking far from you. Posts: 326	I am, what I WANT you to think I am. And that's all that matters.

10-11-2004, 01:42 AM	#21
Amputate Your Head. So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Way fucking far from you. Posts: 326	i'm sure quiet will tell you... he's no doubt been collecting a few of those very obvious clues lately. lol

10-11-2004, 01:53 AM	#26
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Business is normally about three things, there are others but these are the main ones. Product. Delivery. Marketing With one element you will fail, any two elements you might just struggle by, with all three you will succeed, the extent depends on the quality and balance of the three elements. Before I arrived here I could shoot content, so had a product. Knew how to deliver it and set about building sites to do just that. Then I needed marketing, so made myself as conspicuous as possible in this section of the porn industry. I think CyberTraffic is living in the past, becasue sites that do not deliver today get shut down by Visa or never open up. We as an industry are delivering a better product every day, those who think all they have to do is drive more traffic at a site that is full of crap or does not work are fools. And can they please close the door as they leave. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

10-11-2004, 02:22 AM	#30
sharpx9 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 2,085	werd.

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fr33s3x Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,064	nice __________________

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polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	I start thinking more and more that boards are only a waste of time. If you don't shoot content, don't sell traffic and don't own any affiliate program, you don't have to be here. __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

10-11-2004, 07:41 AM	#46
Rebel D Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Ontario Posts: 3,916	I think you Need a Blend. I Personally Don't Market Myself on Boards alot. I use Hard working and trustworthy for a Word to mouth Sort of Marketing. You Can market Shit to Look good in the Right angle. but in the End Shit is Just shit.

10-11-2004, 07:47 AM	#47
Za Ha Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Still lost Posts: 5,112	Not true. Marketing can only get you so far. Hard work and a good product make companies successful. You can market shit to someone and they will buy it, but it is highly unlikely that they will come back. And no matter how you look at it, a repeat buyer costs any company less than a new buyer.