iBill charges $1500 for VISA processing - GoFuckYourself.com

Gottis · 10-05-2004, 10:16 AM

Just got the news from my iBill rep. Didn't see any posts about this. Am I the first one to receive the new agreement? Read on:

Bad news:

It's going to cost $1500 to process VISA again through your merchant account.

Good news:

They can pay you every day.

I'm going to think this over a bit and might switch processors completely.

NaughtyAmerica · 10-05-2004, 10:18 AM

Does this have anything to do with Epochs discussion tomorrow?

Veterans Day · 10-05-2004, 11:21 AM

1500?

again

Sly · 10-05-2004, 11:23 AM

So they're charging YOU for THEIR fuck up?

Toni · 10-05-2004, 11:24 AM

Use Epoch and CCBill

Dagwolf · 10-05-2004, 11:29 AM

So what do you lose if you DON"T accept Visa? Are you really screwing yourself if you try to run a paysite without it?

Kimmykim · 10-05-2004, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dagwolf
So what do you lose if you DON"T accept Visa? Are you really screwing yourself if you try to run a paysite without it?

I'd say close to 75% of your sales.

PrivateIvy · 10-05-2004, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
I'd say close to 75% of your sales.

Ditto...well I'd say more like 85%

Ivy

Johny Traffic · 10-05-2004, 11:32 AM

Quote:

I'd say close to 75% of your sales.

Dont most people have visa and mastercard these days

Sly · 10-05-2004, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Johny Traffic
Dont most people have visa and mastercard these days

I have Visa and Discover. No Master Card.

Basic_man · 10-05-2004, 11:34 AM

1500$ ? fuck ! That's so much $$$ !

Kicker · 10-05-2004, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Toni
Use Epoch and CCBill

Yep

Theo · 10-05-2004, 11:36 AM

if you cant accept visa,better not operate a paysite. You'll make more money by sending to all the rest that accept.

icedemon · 10-05-2004, 11:37 AM

If this is true, that means iBill wants everybody to pay $1,500 for a merchant account (it sounds like a merchant account to me) and 15%. But you don't have access to your customers data (such as credit card numbers and such) in case you want to take that merchant account and use Netbilling as your gateway instead. If this is all true, iBill is the biggest rip off in this industry. They're looking as sleaze as Seth.

TDF · 10-05-2004, 11:38 AM

sounds like the cost of buisness

commonly known as extortion

imageman · 10-05-2004, 11:42 AM

If they want $1500 why not go to netbilling and set up you own account you will have more control . Why trust in a company like Ibill who still has not paid out what it owes webmasters . Get you data base back from IBILL and go to CCbill or Epoch.

.

Theo · 10-05-2004, 11:43 AM

That's how worldpay operates. From what I understand Ibill is the middle man for you and the bank. Normally in order a bank to give you a hripsp you should have a good record of past transactions and a huge volume. I assume these requirements now would be more flexible through ibill.

Daymare · 10-05-2004, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by imageman
If they want $1500 why not go to netbilling and set up you own account you will have more control . Why trust in a company like Ibill who still has not paid out what it owes webmasters . Get you data base back from IBILL and go to CCbill or Epoch.

.

is that even possible?

scardog · 10-05-2004, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Get you data base back from IBILL and go to CCbill or Epoch.

Sounds good. How do we do that?

TheLegacy · 10-05-2004, 11:46 AM

wonder what sincity is going to say - hes been promoting the hell out of IBill thinking they will keep their word on paying out shortly on Oct 8

Methodcash Rick · 10-05-2004, 11:46 AM

It isn't 100% set in stone, YET..

They are having a meeting about this and other issues today, according to my Rep, who is finally back in the office...

He said, it LOOKS like the $1500.00 is going to be the case, but until after their meeting today, they won' tknow for sure..

johnbosh · 10-05-2004, 11:47 AM

scardog · 10-05-2004, 11:50 AM

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hes been promoting the hell out of IBill thinking they will keep their word on paying out shortly on Oct 8

Ibill never said they would pay out the 8th. You are getting your dates confused, which is easy to do considering all that's going on.

JakeR · 10-05-2004, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dagwolf
So what do you lose if you DON"T accept Visa? Are you really screwing yourself if you try to run a paysite without it?

you really don't have a clue huh

johndoebob · 10-05-2004, 11:55 AM

$1500 to process Visa again, they're insane.Ask them why you should pay for their fuck ups.

Who here really needs daily payments or really trusts them anymore?

Better ask for some good reasons why you should stay with them, daily payments aren't one in my opinion.

Sosa · 10-05-2004, 11:58 AM

lets see some checks already

WiredGuy · 10-05-2004, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Johny Traffic
Dont most people have visa and mastercard these days

I have 3 Visa's, no Amex or MC.
I don't know many people who have MC come to think of it.

WG

Donny · 10-05-2004, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Toni
Use Epoch and CCBill

Not necessarily in that order.

Rich · 10-05-2004, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by icedemon
If this is true, that means iBill wants everybody to pay $1,500 for a merchant account (it sounds like a merchant account to me) and 15%. But you don't have access to your customers data (such as credit card numbers and such) in case you want to take that merchant account and use Netbilling as your gateway instead. If this is all true, iBill is the biggest rip off in this industry. They're looking as sleaze as Seth.

I'm pretty sure it's $1500 on top of your own merchant account.

What a joke, anyone who stays with them is fucking crazy.

andrej_NDC · 10-05-2004, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
I don't know many people who have MC come to think of it.

I have MC.

Adultnet · 10-05-2004, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Basic_man
1500$ ? fuck ! That's so much $$$ !

fucked up..

MickeyG · 10-05-2004, 12:18 PM

what percentage of rebills do you think would be lost if you moved your db from one processor to another?

I would it assume it to be pretty high considering you will be billing them under a different name.

Im also wondering whats the difference between the ibill merchant account and one from say Netbilling. Can we start with ibill get the client db loaded and then haul ass?

Methodcash Rick · 10-05-2004, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MickeyG
what percentage of rebills do you think would be lost if you moved your db from one processor to another?

I would it assume it to be pretty high considering you will be billing them under a different name.

Im also wondering whats the difference between the ibill merchant account and one from say Netbilling. Can we start with ibill get the client db loaded and then haul ass?

That's where good customer service on the part of the Website owner comes into play..

We had this problem happen when another biller went under. We simply sent out an email to all members who had signed up under that processor, and told them that there woudl be a billing descriptor change, and told them why, and if they wished to cancel their account, to write us back..

We got a very good response, and overall ended up processing almost 75% of the rebills, with no chargebacks / credits due to it...

Gottis · 10-05-2004, 12:30 PM

My rep sounded pretty sure of the $1500 to tell you the truth, said nothing about any meeting or anything.

Yes, it's going to be $1500 for everybody with a merchant account wishing to process VISA. Unless you're able to negotiate some kind of a deal with them that is and make them cover some of it. Not sure if that's possible though.

About getting all the user data out from iBill for your move to another company: don't bet on it. I don't really see that happening.

Pretty sucky day all in all.

Gottis · 10-05-2004, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BB-Rick
That's where good customer service on the part of the Website owner comes into play..

We had this problem happen when another biller went under. We simply sent out an email to all members who had signed up under that processor, and told them that there woudl be a billing descriptor change, and told them why, and if they wished to cancel their account, to write us back..

We got a very good response, and overall ended up processing almost 75% of the rebills, with no chargebacks / credits due to it...

Yes, that should work out pretty good. Better than starting from scratch with your rebill list anyway.

Calvinguy · 10-05-2004, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BB-Rick
That's where good customer service on the part of the Website owner comes into play..

We had this problem happen when another biller went under. We simply sent out an email to all members who had signed up under that processor, and told them that there woudl be a billing descriptor change, and told them why, and if they wished to cancel their account, to write us back..

We got a very good response, and overall ended up processing almost 75% of the rebills, with no chargebacks / credits due to it...

You are full of shit. You can't move your customers from one 3rd partybiller to another...

TheLegacy · 10-05-2004, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scardog
Ibill never said they would pay out the 8th. You are getting your dates confused, which is easy to do considering all that's going on.

sorry my friend, reading the IBill thread on page 6 - that is where the promise of oct 8th came from.. i'll read it over again, but more than likely a IBill spin off, tell some they are getting paid to hold them off.. while the others sink..

Gottis · 10-05-2004, 12:41 PM

You can contact your rebillers and tell them what's going on and how they easily can extend their memberships. Just good business sense in doing so. Personally I wasn't referring to moving any data from one processor to another and then call it a day.

Shoplifter · 10-05-2004, 12:42 PM

You guys are all USA Merchants, right?

scardog · 10-05-2004, 12:42 PM

It's an easy mistake to make, and maybe I'm wrong. The date of the 8th was the target for getting their Visa processing working again.

EU/affiliate payout targets were this week. That would be Friday drop dead date if they were able to pay this week. But I don't think they used a date on this announcement.

Gottis · 10-05-2004, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shoplifter
You guys are all USA Merchants, right?

Yes, this only applies to US based merchants.

Webby · 10-05-2004, 12:43 PM

To say this is all a farce would be an understatement...

Just because the US used a card company as a collection base for data and is making the actual merchants pay for this privilege, does not mean the rest of the world is not free.

I never did participate in that US bullshit and never will. The forms are enough to make ya spew up - you seriously think anyone with any sense is gonna dilvuge their biz dealings to some card company? It is not their concern.

All other banking regions in the world rejected Visa's kind offer - pity the US decided to think otherwise.

TheLegacy · 10-05-2004, 12:51 PM

If you feel that IBill has crossed the line legally now and want to take action... then read on

Aside form the aforementioned problems they are having, they have not released the September 30th reserve payouts, which is money they are supposed to have been holding for their clients from February '04.

Their contract is very clear when it comes to reserves. 10% of all sales are held in reserve for 6 months to protect against chargebacks. They do not have the legal right to spend that money held "in reserve", if they do not have it, that is a misappropriation of funds, AKA, embezzlement.

If you want to send a clear message to the dolts at I-bill then the person to contact is:

Marcos Daniel Jiménez
United States Attorney for the
Southern District of Florida

99 N.E. 4th Street
Miami, FL 33132
(305) 961-9001

Give them a call this week and tell them that you have cause to believe that Internet Billing Co. of Ft. Lauderdale has misappropriated funds supposedly being held in reserve for their clients.

imageman · 10-05-2004, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheLegacy
If you feel that IBill has crossed the line legally now and want to take action... then read on

Aside form the aforementioned problems they are having, they have not released the September 30th reserve payouts, which is money they are supposed to have been holding for their clients from February '04.

Their contract is very clear when it comes to reserves. 10% of all sales are held in reserve for 6 months to protect against chargebacks. They do not have the legal right to spend that money held "in reserve", if they do not have it, that is a misappropriation of funds, AKA, embezzlement.

If you want to send a clear message to the dolts at I-bill then the person to contact is:

Marcos Daniel Jiménez
United States Attorney for the
Southern District of Florida
99 N.E. 4th Street
Miami, FL 33132
(305) 961-9001

Give them a call this week and tell them that you have cause to believe that Internet Billing Co. of Ft. Lauderdale has misappropriated funds supposedly being held in reserve for their clients.

Thats good information

I smell a class action here. So far members have had access to sites for free because rebills are not being processed and if you dont pay out the $1500 they may never be processed. Resurves are late or not being paid which has zero to do with First Data. Ibill should have this money available to send all webmasters.
Maybe its time if webmasters are not going to get paid to get their Ibill members to request a refund ( not a charge back ) ( after all if you are not getting paid why should Ibill get it ) and ask them to switch to Epoch or CCbill or whatever back up processor you have ?

keyboard warrior · 10-05-2004, 01:46 PM

This is some fucked up shit!

Think i may just quit and go work at wendys!

and add my self to the class action suite.

whatif_3 · 10-05-2004, 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by Calvinguy
You are full of shit. You can't move your customers from one 3rd partybiller to another...

of course you can move your consumers from one processor to another

it depends if ibill is willing to release that information directly to your other processor, they certainly would rather hold it so that you are forced to continue to use them

and if epoch/ccbill is willing to import it

quiet · 10-05-2004, 02:01 PM

interesting.

Doctor Dre · 10-05-2004, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dagwolf
So what do you lose if you DON"T accept Visa? Are you really screwing yourself if you try to run a paysite without it?

Everything ...

Doctor Dre · 10-05-2004, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Johny Traffic
Dont most people have visa and mastercard these days

I have a visa ... don't have a mastercard

Quotealex · 10-05-2004, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
I have 3 Visa's, no Amex or MC.
I don't know many people who have MC come to think of it.

WG

My company and I have never used any other credit cards besides MasterCards and never had a problem making a purchase or paying bills.

10-05-2004, 10:16 AM	#1
Gottis Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: VIP NO ID Posts: 1,746	iBill charges $1500 for VISA processing Just got the news from my iBill rep. Didn't see any posts about this. Am I the first one to receive the new agreement? Read on: Bad news: It's going to cost $1500 to process VISA again through your merchant account. Good news: They can pay you every day. I'm going to think this over a bit and might switch processors completely.

10-05-2004, 10:18 AM	#2
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10-05-2004, 11:21 AM	#3
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10-05-2004, 11:36 AM	#13
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	if you cant accept visa,better not operate a paysite. You'll make more money by sending to all the rest that accept.

10-05-2004, 11:37 AM	#14
icedemon Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lutz, FL Posts: 1,022	If this is true, that means iBill wants everybody to pay $1,500 for a merchant account (it sounds like a merchant account to me) and 15%. But you don't have access to your customers data (such as credit card numbers and such) in case you want to take that merchant account and use Netbilling as your gateway instead. If this is all true, iBill is the biggest rip off in this industry. They're looking as sleaze as Seth.

10-05-2004, 11:38 AM	#15
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	sounds like the cost of buisness commonly known as extortion __________________ Sig heil

10-05-2004, 11:42 AM	#16
imageman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	If they want $1500 why not go to netbilling and set up you own account you will have more control . Why trust in a company like Ibill who still has not paid out what it owes webmasters . Get you data base back from IBILL and go to CCbill or Epoch. .

10-05-2004, 11:43 AM	#17
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	That's how worldpay operates. From what I understand Ibill is the middle man for you and the bank. Normally in order a bank to give you a hripsp you should have a good record of past transactions and a huge volume. I assume these requirements now would be more flexible through ibill.

10-05-2004, 11:46 AM	#20
TheLegacy SEO Connoisseur Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario Posts: 17,211	wonder what sincity is going to say - hes been promoting the hell out of IBill thinking they will keep their word on paying out shortly on Oct 8 __________________ SEO Connoisseur Microsoft Teams: Robert Warren SEO Telegram: @TheLegacy54 RobertWarrenSEO.com

10-05-2004, 11:46 AM	#21
Methodcash Rick Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,720	It isn't 100% set in stone, YET.. They are having a meeting about this and other issues today, according to my Rep, who is finally back in the office... He said, it LOOKS like the $1500.00 is going to be the case, but until after their meeting today, they won' tknow for sure..

10-05-2004, 11:47 AM	#22
johnbosh Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Netherlands, Rotterdam Posts: 8,965	wtf

10-05-2004, 11:55 AM	#25
johndoebob Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,405	$1500 to process Visa again, they're insane.Ask them why you should pay for their fuck ups. Who here really needs daily payments or really trusts them anymore? Better ask for some good reasons why you should stay with them, daily payments aren't one in my opinion. __________________ Last edited by johndoebob; 10-05-2004 at 11:56 AM..

10-05-2004, 11:58 AM	#26
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	lets see some checks already

10-05-2004, 12:18 PM	#32
MickeyG Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 4,134	what percentage of rebills do you think would be lost if you moved your db from one processor to another? I would it assume it to be pretty high considering you will be billing them under a different name. Im also wondering whats the difference between the ibill merchant account and one from say Netbilling. Can we start with ibill get the client db loaded and then haul ass?

10-05-2004, 12:30 PM	#34
Gottis Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: VIP NO ID Posts: 1,746	My rep sounded pretty sure of the $1500 to tell you the truth, said nothing about any meeting or anything. Yes, it's going to be $1500 for everybody with a merchant account wishing to process VISA. Unless you're able to negotiate some kind of a deal with them that is and make them cover some of it. Not sure if that's possible though. About getting all the user data out from iBill for your move to another company: don't bet on it. I don't really see that happening. Pretty sucky day all in all.

10-05-2004, 12:41 PM	#38
Gottis Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: VIP NO ID Posts: 1,746	You can contact your rebillers and tell them what's going on and how they easily can extend their memberships. Just good business sense in doing so. Personally I wasn't referring to moving any data from one processor to another and then call it a day.

10-05-2004, 12:42 PM	#39
Shoplifter Richest man in Babylon Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Posts: 10,002 Posts: 5,734	You guys are all USA Merchants, right?

10-05-2004, 12:42 PM	#40
scardog Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 886	It's an easy mistake to make, and maybe I'm wrong. The date of the 8th was the target for getting their Visa processing working again. EU/affiliate payout targets were this week. That would be Friday drop dead date if they were able to pay this week. But I don't think they used a date on this announcement.

10-05-2004, 12:43 PM	#42
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	To say this is all a farce would be an understatement... Just because the US used a card company as a collection base for data and is making the actual merchants pay for this privilege, does not mean the rest of the world is not free. I never did participate in that US bullshit and never will. The forms are enough to make ya spew up - you seriously think anyone with any sense is gonna dilvuge their biz dealings to some card company? It is not their concern. All other banking regions in the world rejected Visa's kind offer - pity the US decided to think otherwise.

10-05-2004, 12:51 PM	#43
TheLegacy SEO Connoisseur Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario Posts: 17,211	If you feel that IBill has crossed the line legally now and want to take action... then read on Aside form the aforementioned problems they are having, they have not released the September 30th reserve payouts, which is money they are supposed to have been holding for their clients from February '04. Their contract is very clear when it comes to reserves. 10% of all sales are held in reserve for 6 months to protect against chargebacks. They do not have the legal right to spend that money held "in reserve", if they do not have it, that is a misappropriation of funds, AKA, embezzlement. If you want to send a clear message to the dolts at I-bill then the person to contact is: Marcos Daniel Jiménez United States Attorney for the Southern District of Florida 99 N.E. 4th Street Miami, FL 33132 (305) 961-9001 Give them a call this week and tell them that you have cause to believe that Internet Billing Co. of Ft. Lauderdale has misappropriated funds supposedly being held in reserve for their clients. __________________ SEO Connoisseur Microsoft Teams: Robert Warren SEO Telegram: @TheLegacy54 RobertWarrenSEO.com

10-05-2004, 01:46 PM	#45
keyboard warrior Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,435	This is some fucked up shit! Think i may just quit and go work at wendys! and add my self to the class action suite. __________________ - nothing here -

10-05-2004, 02:01 PM	#47
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	interesting.