Who can explain the problem with Israel to me?

[Rochard]

I like to think I'm up on current events, but the entire situation with Israel is something I haven't really given too much thought to.

From what I can gather..... The country of Israel was formed after WWII, a direct result of what the Nazis tried to do to the Jewish race. Seems to be the location picked for this future country is the location of the most Holy sites in the world, be it Jewish, Muslilm, or Christian - and the Muslim countries are pretty pissed off about it.

Anyone care to shed any light on this for me?

[Paul Markham]

A lot wiser men than you or I are confused by the whole situation. But until the US stops backing them they will be creating mayhem and the Palestinians will be fighting and there will be no solution to World Terrorism.

[<IMX>]

don't come to gfy for answers...

[alexg]

The jewish people were exciled from this land before Christ by Roman emperor Titus. This is why this land was "chosen".
because this land was the home land of the jewish people. It wasn't just picked randomly.

The holocaust was one reason why it was decided that the Jewish people deserve their own land, but not the only. There are more reasons why the jewish people had rights on this land, one of which is a historical right.

[KRL]

Like everything in history its control of real estate under the guise of religion and other things.

The Arabs feel Israel took their land and Israel says its their land from way back thousands of years ago.

Look how the Europeans came here and slaughtered the American Indians and this eventually became the United States after we got rid of Spanish, Mexican, French and English control of our country. The Indians feel its their land and we stole it. Which we did. But then you say what gives the Indians the right to say it was their land in the first place simply because they were occupying it and killed other primitive people to get.

[sincity]

I will answer this thread in a nutshell. Israel is surrounded by Arabs. Arabs hate the jews. In fact, everyone hates the jews. So you take the mentality of the Arabs and then you take the people in Israel and you have water and oil. They do not mix and their will NEVER be piece in the middle east.

[kmanrox]

Originally posted by KRL
Like everything in history its control of real estate under the guise of religion and other things.

The Arabs feel Israel took their land and Israel says its their land from way back thousands of years ago.

Look how the Europeans came here and slaughtered the American Indians and this eventually became the United States after we got rid of Spanish, Mexican, French and English control of our country. The Indians feel its their land and we stole it. Which we did. But then you say what gives the Indians the right to say it was their land in the first place simply because they were occupying it and killed other primitive people to get.

Good point. And most places in the world this is true as well...

Someobody had to conquer the land at one time, why blame it on the present occupants?

[blofer80]

Sharon decided to go out from all Gaza lands within one year.
Now the Hamas wants to show the israelies escaped, so they can claim they won.
Three days ago, the Hamas sent "Kasam" missiles into the land of Israel to a city Called Shderot. Shderot is OUTSIDE the gaza lands.
Two little chlidren got killed while playing in their gardan.

Israel cant allow KASSAM shooting on their cities, so the Israeli army had to go into Gaza, and prevent them to send more Kasams into the Israeli land.

Sharon also says that it wont delay the withdraw from Gaza. Israel will go out within 1 year max. but if they keep sending Kasams or any others misslies, Israel will attack, from the ground, from the air, from the sea. Israel has the right to defend itself.

[alexg]

Originally posted by blofer80
Sharon decided to go out from all Gaza lands within one year.
Now the Hamas wants to show the israelies escaped, so they can claim they won.
Three days ago, the Hamas sent "Kasam" missiles into the land of Israel to a city Called Shderot. Shderot is OUTSIDE the gaza lands.
Two little chlidren got killed while playing in their gardan.

Israel cant allow KASSAM shooting on their cities, so the Israeli army had to go into Gaza, and prevent them to send more Kasams into the Israeli land.

Sharon also says that it wont delay the withdraw from Gaza. Israel will go out in 1 year max. but if they keep sending Kasams or any others misslies, Israel will attack, from the ground, from the air, from the sea. Israel has the right to defend itself.

This is true, but this is the current news. He was asking about more historical things.

btw, about the Kassam rockets, they shoot them from within "civilians" homes, which gives the army no choice but to destroy these homes. Of course then they say that the IDF are terorrists...

[VirtuMike]

You left out the part where THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PALESTINE.

[SKULL]

Originally posted by KRL
But then you say what gives the Indians the right to say it was their land in the first place simply because they were occupying it and killed other primitive people to get.

Could you please explain to me who are the individuals (people) the Indians killed to get that land?

[kenny]

Whatever it may be it almost is certainly Bush's fault

[project_naughty]

Muslims always hated Jews. It is enshrined within the Qu'ran and Hadiths. Allah said that the Jews are sons of monkeys and pigs.
Israel was given to Jewish and Muslim people by UN mandate.
Muslims launched 4 or 5 wars to anhililate the Jews and throw their bodies into the sea. Israel kicked their asses every single time because Jews are generally more resourceful than Muslims. Islam makes Muslims stupid.
Muslims teach their children to hate the Jews and train them in ways to do so.
The world looks on because:
1. Most of the world hates Jews
2. Most of the world is bribed with oil money to hate the Jews
3. Most of the world is stupid.

The world will not allow the Jews to defend themselves.
The territories of Sinai, Golan, Judea & Samaria and Gaza are Israeli sovereign territory won in defensive war.
The violence will never ever stop until Islam is defeated.

I am neither Jewish, Muslim or Christian. I am an anti-idiotarian (look it up).

[XP]

Originally posted by VirtuMike
You left out the part where THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PALESTINE.

Palestina is an old Ottoman State. It was exist till 1945.
There is differance between conquering a land, and invading a land. Jewish Sionists invaded Jerusalem and around.

Before Ottoman collapsed at 1915, at 1900s, Jews wanted to buy land from Jerusalem, which is owned by Ottoman (Old Turkic emperor). We simply refused to sell any Land. So they collapsed Ottoman empire it from inside (They forgot who saved their asses many times from genocide by Europeans!). They succeded.

And on the Hitler part, he killed millions of Anti-Sionist jews, which is against sionism (very bad thing!)
So sionist jews let them slaughtered by hitler, it was a cleaning day. They get rid of anti-sionists, and at the end, they got themself a country.

But, giving them a country was a biggest mistake of the world. Israel got nuclear weapons and more. These smart-asses are working all about warfare , war weapons. They spend their time by developing new smart war machines. They will invade whole world at the end. They will claim world is belong the them, and we are slaves of noble-ass jew people.

Do you know why jews hate muslims so much? Because until Mohammad, all prophets were coming from Jewish race (But except moses, they did not come for jewishism). They killed your sweet jesus just because he come up with an other religion other than jewishism. They tortured him!
Just like they do in Palestina now.
They kill small children with sniper rifles!

[KRL]

Originally posted by SKULL
Could you please explain to me who are the individuals (people) the Indians killed to get that land?

Duh.

[SKULL]

Originally posted by KRL
Duh.

Getting somewhere I guess... but I'm really interested in knowing who are the primitve people the Indians killed to get this land were... do you actually have an answer for this?

[KRL]

Originally posted by SKULL
Getting somewhere I guess... but I'm really interested in knowing who are the primitve people the Indians killed to get this land were... do you actually have an answer for this?

Actually from what I've studied, there were Africans here first and then the Indians came from tribes when there was a land bridge to the Asian areas and took control. The Asians mixed with tribes from South America which is why you can see a bit of that combo look in them today.

[VirtuMike]

So XP thinks that a country with six million people in it has plans to conquer the world. That's logical.

The reason Israel is making weapons is SURVIVAL. They are under constant attack by countries and "people" that significantly outnumber them.

David and Goliath. You get a larger force attacking you, you need better weapons. You need to use your brain. And that's something they have going for them.

And for the record, the Ottoman Empire sucked.

[NoCarrier]

So basically, if Germany had won world war 1, we wouldn't have any problems at all right now in the Middle East... Right?

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally posted by RocHard
I like to think I'm up on current events, but the entire situation with Israel is something I haven't really given too much thought to.

From what I can gather..... The country of Israel was formed after WWII, a direct result of what the Nazis tried to do to the Jewish race. Seems to be the location picked for this future country is the location of the most Holy sites in the world, be it Jewish, Muslilm, or Christian - and the Muslim countries are pretty pissed off about it.

Anyone care to shed any light on this for me?

Are you really concerned? If you were you would study it yourself and build your own perceptions.

[Rochard]

Originally posted by NoCarrier
So basically, if Germany had won world war 1, we wouldn't have any problems at all right now in the Middle East... Right?

That's an interesting statement right there!

[SKULL]

Originally posted by KRL
Actually from what I've studied, there were Africans here first and then the Indians came from tribes when there was a land bridge to the Asian areas and took control. The Asians mixed with tribes from South America which is why you can see a bit of that combo look in them today.

Really... this will be interesting to research, because for what I've heard and read the ones that were here first were the Paleo-Indians of North America (cavemen of the americans) although there is no way of knowing how many individuals trekked into North America over the course of time... but for the past century or so it has been commonly accepted as fact that the earliest inhabitants of North America migrated here from Asia via the Bering Land Bridge once connecting, or closely connecting, Asia and North America... would you be able to indetify what african tribes were those that occupied the territories of the Americas' before the Asians or Paleo-Indians took over (according to you)?

[ListYourPorn]

In my view Israel in my view is a little bit of the west that was purposely put in the Middle East.

The history of trouble in the region makes horrible reading. I really feel for all folks that live in that part of the world is must be really stressful seeing your kids off to school hoping they are gonna make it home.

Theres no easy fix, the Brits, Yanks and god knows who else have tried to sort out the issues but nothin has moved forward.

[Rochard]

Originally posted by AlienQ
Are you really concerned? If you were you would study it yourself and build your own perceptions.

My interests are in WWII, Nazi Germany, Japan, and all of the events surrounding WWII. I think I've read every book about WWII.

I am starting to learn about the problem with Israel. While reading this post I'm also reading about it on line, and I'm sure later today I'll end up at the book store.

[groark]

Please dig out some objective sources so we can all think about this by ourselfs.. Here are so many people looking very different at things and stuff

[David!]

Here is a simple timeline of the history of the Jewish people and Israel

[xclusive]

I think there will never be a solution to this problem short of all out war....

[XP]

Why in the hell of this JEW history chart an important thing is missing?

Before 1900s, 1800s 1700s, at 1500s or 1600s (I'm not very sure) Europeans starting genocide on jews, which choose to stay in Europe. Basically they fired from Europe. Nobody was accepting them, except your old good Ottoman Empire (Which helped everyone who asks for help! This is the true Muslim identity)

Also its a shame, Abraham, Joseph and many Jewish names are exist in Arab names. Their tribe style, language and many things in common in their cultures. Actually Arabs and Jews are releatives! They born in same lands. They worshipped same statues before religion!

[David!]

Originally posted by XP
Why in the hell of this JEW history chart an important thing is missing?

Before 1900s, 1800s 1700s, at 1500s or 1600s (I'm not very sure) Europeans starting genocide on jews, which choose to stay in Europe. Basically they fired from Europe. Nobody was accepting them, except your old good Ottoman Empire (Which helped everyone who asks for help! This is the true Muslim identity)

Also its a shame, Abraham, Joseph and many Jewish names are exist in Arab names. Their tribe style, language and many things in common in their cultures. Actually Arabs and Jews are releatives! They born in same lands. They worshipped same statues before religion!

Are you totally retarded?

Originally posted by XP
And on the Hitler part, he killed millions of Anti-Sionist jews, which is against sionism (very bad thing!)
So sionist jews let them slaughtered by hitler, it was a cleaning day. They get rid of anti-sionists, and at the end, they got themself a country.

What kind of drugs do you take?

By the way, why don't you talk about the 1.3 Millions Armenians Turkey exterminated?
What about the land you stole from the Kurds?

Now, why don't you have a good donner kebab?

[Probono]

Originally posted by XP
Why in the hell of this JEW history chart an important thing is missing?

Before 1900s, 1800s 1700s, at 1500s or 1600s (I'm not very sure) Europeans starting genocide on jews, which choose to stay in Europe. Basically they fired from Europe. Nobody was accepting them, except your old good Ottoman Empire (Which helped everyone who asks for help! This is the true Muslim identity)

Also its a shame, Abraham, Joseph and many Jewish names are exist in Arab names. Their tribe style, language and many things in common in their cultures. Actually Arabs and Jews are releatives! They born in same lands. They worshipped same statues before religion!

In many ways you are correct. The crusades were christian against Isalm and Jews. The golden age of Islam saved the knowledge of the Greeks and Romans when the barbaric christians of Europe tried to destroy all non christian knowledge.

The jews and muslims have a long history of mutual acceptance. Why has it come to this?

Zionism was a concept of european jews going back to Palistine. The post WW2 west embraced the idea because it encouraged jews to leave europe where as you say they were never accepted. Not all Jews are Zionists but after WW2 no place in the world wanted the jewish survivors Israel was a survival tactic that has gone bad.

The current government of Israel is as bad as the current government of Palistine and until new players are there no peace can happen. I am certain that most people on both sides of the divide just want to live their lives without death all around them.

[alexg]

Originally posted by XP

And on the Hitler part, he killed millions of Anti-Sionist jews, which is against sionism (very bad thing!)
So sionist jews let them slaughtered by hitler, it was a cleaning day. They get rid of anti-sionists, and at the end, they got themself a country.

Idiot!

Zionists who were living in the land of Israel during WW2 joined the Brittish army forces to fight the nazis. Get your facts together before talking shit, dumbass!

[Thrawn$]

The problem with israel is the EXISTENCE of israel.

This country shouldn't exist.

[alexg]

Originally posted by Probono

The current government of Israel is as bad as the current government of Palistine and until new players are there no peace can happen. I am certain that most people on both sides of the divide just want to live their lives without death all around them.

Idiot!

The Israeli government cannot be compared to the "government" of the palestinian authority in any way.

Israel is a democratic state and the government was elected in democratic ways, while in "palestine", members of the government are puppets of arafat, who has been in charge for what already? forty years?

[alexg]

Originally posted by Thrawn$
The problem with israel is the EXISTENCE of israel.

This country shouldn't exist.

well then for the rest of your life, you'll be eating a dick, coz it ain't going anywhere

[David!]

Originally posted by Thrawn$
The problem with israel is the EXISTENCE of israel.

This country shouldn't exist.

[Probono]

Originally posted by alexg
Idiot!

The Israeli government cannot be compared to the "government" of the palestinian authority in any way.

Israel is a democratic state and the government was elected in democratic ways, while in "palestine", members of the government are puppets of arafat, who has been in charge for what already? forty years?

Alex you are correct but just as Hitler and Bush were elected neither Bush nor Hitler were good leaders.

Democracy sometimes makes mistakes. Sharon and Bush are too much like Araft and un able to admit the other side might have a point or two to negotiate.

[Thrawn$]

for pussyman and alexg

[David!]

For Thrawn$

[Thrawn$]

lol

that's from your webcam?

[David!]

Originally posted by Thrawn$
lol

that's from your webcam?

Of course it is

[alexg]

Originally posted by Probono
Alex you are correct but just as Hitler and Bush were elected neither Bush nor Hitler were good leaders.

Democracy sometimes makes mistakes. Sharon and Bush are too much like Araft and un able to admit the other side might have a point or two to negotiate.

Idiot!

You cannot compare Hitler and Bush in any way just as well!

Hitler may have been elected, but after that he made rules that basically cancelled democracy. He KILLED his political opponents, and he commited genocide. He killed millions of people on a racial basis.

[blofer80]

Originally posted by Thrawn$
The problem with israel is the EXISTENCE of israel.

This country shouldn't exist.

You too

[XP]

Originally posted by PussyMan
Are you totally retarded?


What kind of drugs do you take?

By the way, why don't you talk about the 1.3 Millions Armenians Turkey exterminated?
What about the land you stole from the Kurds?

Now, why don't you have a good donner kebab?

Show me 1.5 millions of dead armenian bodies, show us multiple graves. Then I will believe you. You can't show anything, but I can show you many multiple graves belongs to Turkic civilians, killed by Armenian gangs with British-made riffles!

Stole land from Kurds? No such thing kurds is exists in any part of history you stupid motherfucker. Jews exist in history, Armenians exist and they served to Ottoman very well, until they make deals with Soviets and British government to help destorying muslims once at for all! There was no such kurd country in any where. They are tribes living on very seperated lands. They have no common language either! They talk Farsi and Arabic languages, mixed by Turkic words.

Pussyman: I never met anyone has bad history knowledge as you are. You take marijuana right? Go on with it, and vote to fucking gay BUSH

[XP]

Originally posted by alexg
Idiot!

Zionists who were living in the land of Israel during WW2 joined the Brittish army forces to fight the nazis. Get your facts together before talking shit, dumbass!

We have non zionist jewish people, that love Turkey as their country. They are mostly rich businessmen, paying their taxes, and living like a normal citizen. They talk official language (Turkish), they accept Turkish culture, they have no wish to acquire some lands from Turkey and build a new country over it (Like fucking Kurds and ass-licker Armenians)

[XP]

Originally posted by alexg
Idiot!

The Israeli government cannot be compared to the "government" of the palestinian authority in any way.

Israel is a democratic state and the government was elected in democratic ways, while in "palestine", members of the government are puppets of arafat, who has been in charge for what already? forty years?

Democratic?? What the fuck you know about democracy?
Diplomats from UN decides to give jews a small country piece, without even asking to Arabs! Because it is offically muslim country, it was muslim land since more than 1000+ fucking years!

You can't simply decide to give any land piece to someone. If you do, it won't be democratic then!

So if israel is democratic, you should give palestinians to elect rights, that way you'll never see Ariel "The Slaughter" Sharon agaian. First you learn to share!

[David!]

Originally posted by XP
Show me 1.5 millions of dead armenian bodies, show us multiple graves. Then I will believe you. You can't show anything, but I can show you many multiple graves belongs to Turkic civilians, killed by Armenian gangs with British-made riffles!

Stole land from Kurds? No such thing kurds is exists in any part of history you stupid motherfucker. Jews exist in history, Armenians exist and they served to Ottoman very well, until they make deals with Soviets and British government to help destorying muslims once at for all! There was no such kurd country in any where. They are tribes living on very seperated lands. They have no common language either! They talk Farsi and Arabic languages, mixed by Turkic words.

Pussyman: I never met anyone has bad history knowledge as you are. You take marijuana right? Go on with it, and vote to fucking gay BUSH

1-Armenian Genocide Info - Turkey slaughtered 1.3 Millions Armenian Civilians
2-Occupied Kurdistan Official Site - Turkey is occupying 35% of Kurdistan, the rest is occupied by Syria and Iraq.
3-Go back to high school

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by SKULL
Could you please explain to me who are the individuals (people) the Indians killed to get that land?

Saw an interesting NOVA on PBS about this:

http://www.cr.nps.gov/aad/kennewick/

http://www.kennewick-man.com/

When the body was first discovered by if I remember a hunter they thought it was a murder victim. When the coroner arrived he saw the body and figured it was a settler maybe a couple of hundred years old because he was clearly Caucasoid.

Anyway, they soon discovered he was almost 10,000 years old.

There are a number of archaeologists who believe that there were other people here that were chased out by who we now know as "Native Americans."

[Thrawn$]

to XP

[XP]

Originally posted by PussyMan
1-Armenian Genocide Info - Turkey slaughtered 1.3 Millions Armenian Civilians
2-Occupied Kurdistan Official Site - Turkey is occupying 35% of Kurdistan, the rest is occupied by Syria and Iraq.
3-Go back to high school

Armenian genocide websites has no real proof. They have only word of mouth. Because Armenia has very small country-piece, they want more land, that way they can fuck more and grown up.

Turkey occupying %35 of Kurdistan? Which kurdistan? Is there such a thing? Then why ex-UN accepted Turkey at 1920? Why they didn't give kurds a country? We own these lands since 1071 you stupid ass monger. And we defend our country by everything we got. We didn't forgot that Italy, France, England, Pussy-Greece attacked to Turkey at 1915s.

[David!]

Originally posted by XP
Armenian genocide websites has no real proof. They have only word of mouth. Because Armenia has very small country-piece, they want more land, that way they can fuck more and grown up.

Turkey occupying %35 of Kurdistan? Which kurdistan? Is there such a thing? Then why ex-UN accepted Turkey at 1920? Why they didn't give kurds a country? We own these lands since 1071 you stupid ass monger. And we defend our country by everything we got. We didn't forgot that Italy, France, England, Pussy-Greece attacked to Turkey at 1915s.

Ok attaturk, get a donner kebab now