This 'flip-flop' shit got old.. Any other actual arguments against Kerry? - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

directfiesta · 09-27-2004, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by CET
I just find it obnoxious that Kerry spends all his time bashing Bush while not offering solutions. He actually agrees with a lot of Bush's positions, but he won't say that. His only position is to bad mouth Bush and that isn't enough to make someone presidential material. That makes him no different then the talking heads in the fore front of the "anybody but Bush" crowd.

Goes both ways... It's a lousy campaign based on bs...

But Bush attacks and bend the truth ( he is good at that) about Kerry as much...

Too bad nobody with both Balls AND brains ( McCain would have been nice ).

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piker · 09-27-2004, 09:38 PM

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Originally posted by kane
so if Bush goes into Iraq and now everyone looks around and sees that it's a cluster fuck(even his own party and staff members are saying that the outlook is not good) and he doesn't offer appologies or explain what is going on that is taking a stand is okay. But if Kerry refuses to appologize or explain his war record in vietnam this is not okay?

that sounds like a double standard to me.

The verdict isn't out on Iraq yet. The Kerry campaign is saying its a cluster fuck because they think its good for their campaign...

Some of the adminstration says a worst case scenario is a civil war. Some say otherwise... It's simply to early to tell..

However, we know from the head of the IRaq Weapons Program that Iraq could of made WMD's very quickly (NY Times Interview) and we know they had ties to Al Queda (Zarqawi). We also know that while we were playing around with the UN to see if they would support action in Iraq... Saddam had 6 months to move whatever WMD's we know he had at one point...

So the argument the Kerry campaign is making that Iraq and the world were better off before US action is simply not true. I haven't heard anyone ask the president if the disbanning of the Iraqi Army was a bad idea.. So I don't know how he feels now... I do know that he feels Iraq will eventually turn out alright and I think we as a whole should hope so too..

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piker · 09-27-2004, 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by Probono
The truth is that a leader who cannot adjust to the changes in a situation is a fool. Hence modifing one's positions (ie: flip flopping is not necesarily a bad thing).

Bush is just so dangerous that he should not be re-elected. He echoes to many of the traits of the very people he hunts. He hears messages from god and acts on them, I wonder who else makes the same claim.

Is it good when you have 8 different positions on a war in less then 2 years? I wonder how WW2 would of ended up if Churchill, or Roosevelt had 8 different positons on WW2...

When has he ever claimed he gets messages from god? Please prove it if you can...

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piker · 09-27-2004, 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by uno
Borderline treason? Do tell.

He has not apologized since he has nothing to apologize for.

He went to Paris as a naval officer, during the peace talks to talk to the enemy? The Nixon Adminstration did not send him....

He shouldn't apologize to the vietnam vets for defaming them?

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Fake Nick · 09-27-2004, 09:44 PM

I am no bush fan but I am willing to bet lots of money on him winning

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piker · 09-27-2004, 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by phogirl69
I was debating with my friend and she said she is going to vote Bush and not Kerry because Bush according to her is for "security" while Kerry is not, and because Bush is more experienced. She thinks that everyone wants to bomb the US and she's more in favor of security I guess.. She would rather be more secure but lose personal liberties.

Someone counter argue this so I can use your arguments against my friend and win next time we argue, I'm not too much into politics so couldn't think of a good rebuttal.

Rebutal this :

- Bush is more experienced than Kerry
- Bush is for security

And I'll use your arguments next time we bring this up again.

Kerry is for security, just a different type of security.. It's not like he wakes up in the morning and asks himself how can I help the terrorist...

Your argument however about losing personal liberties... Tell me which you'd lose with Bush in power, and not Kerry...

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piker · 09-27-2004, 09:46 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb
First of all, the problem with oursourcing is when you fire an American to employ someone cheaper overseas. Building a ketchup factory in the country where you are going to sell the damn ketchup just makes sense.

I know John Kerry doesn't run Heinz. Why the hell should it matter how a company his wife is connected to has been run for the last century?

I am pretty sure Theresa Heinz-Kerry doesn't run the company either, by the way.

Americans are the only ones that own Fords and Chevy's huh...

directfiesta · 09-27-2004, 09:46 PM

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Originally posted by piker
The verdict isn't out on Iraq yet. The Kerry campaign is saying its a cluster fuck because they think its good for their campaign...

Some of the adminstration says a worst case scenario is a civil war. Some say otherwise... It's simply to early to tell..

However, we know from the head of the IRaq Weapons Program that Iraq could of made WMD's very quickly (NY Times Interview) and we know they had ties to Al Queda (Zarqawi). We also know that while we were playing around with the UN to see if they would support action in Iraq... Saddam had 6 months to move whatever WMD's we know he had at one point...

So the argument the Kerry campaign is making that Iraq and the world were better off before US action is simply not true. I haven't heard anyone ask the president if the disbanning of the Iraqi Army was a bad idea.. So I don't know how he feels now... I do know that he feels Iraq will eventually turn out alright and I think we as a whole should hope so too..

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I'm sorry but this picture just owns.

uno · 09-27-2004, 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by JasonB

It's a shame reality is currently also disgusting isn't it?

piker · 09-27-2004, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
OMG, he meets foreign leaders? He should just kill them all, bomb their people, and hope no one retaliates.

When there is a law saying a naval officer is not allowed to meet with foreign leaders because as you might imagine its a conflict of interest... He should not be meeting them... He was not commisioned by anyone to talk to the enemy... So why did he? Can you answer something Kerry wont even?

AdnerAdvertising · 09-27-2004, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by uno
It's a shame reality is currently also disgusting isn't it?

Yeah reality is disgusting.

kane · 09-27-2004, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by piker
The verdict isn't out on Iraq yet. The Kerry campaign is saying its a cluster fuck because they think its good for their campaign...

Some of the adminstration says a worst case scenario is a civil war. Some say otherwise... It's simply to early to tell..

However, we know from the head of the IRaq Weapons Program that Iraq could of made WMD's very quickly (NY Times Interview) and we know they had ties to Al Queda (Zarqawi). We also know that while we were playing around with the UN to see if they would support action in Iraq... Saddam had 6 months to move whatever WMD's we know he had at one point...

So the argument the Kerry campaign is making that Iraq and the world were better off before US action is simply not true. I haven't heard anyone ask the president if the disbanning of the Iraqi Army was a bad idea.. So I don't know how he feels now... I do know that he feels Iraq will eventually turn out alright and I think we as a whole should hope so too..

It is too early to tell how things will end in Iraq. We are probably 5-10 years from a final outcome on that but one thing is clear. The bush administration has picked thier course and will not vear from it no matter what. Only recently ( in the last couple of weeks ) did they divert some of the money that was going to go to elections help over there into helping with security because the situation was to dangerous and threatening to hold a serious and effective elections. Apparently the months of car bombings and kidnappings previously were not that threatening.

also as for Ireaq's connection to Al Queda being Zarqawi, CNN seems to thing that he and Osama are actually competitors http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/24/who.zarqawi/index.html is the story where it talks about him asking Al Queda for help and basically being turnned down. Also, it looks like this Zarqawi guy only went to Iraq after our invasion, he's actually from Jordan.
I haven't heard Kerry say that the world would be better off if we didn't invade Iraq. I have heard him say it would be better off if we would have waited for a UN collalition.

AdnerAdvertising · 09-27-2004, 09:55 PM

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Originally posted by kane
It is too early to tell how things will end in Iraq. We are probably 5-10 years from a final outcome on that but one thing is clear. The bush administration has picked thier course and will not vear from it no matter what. Only recently ( in the last couple of weeks ) did they divert some of the money that was going to go to elections help over there into helping with security because the situation was to dangerous and threatening to hold a serious and effective elections. Apparently the months of car bombings and kidnappings previously were not that threatening.

also as for Ireaq's connection to Al Queda being Zarqawi, CNN seems to thing that he and Osama are actually competitors http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/24/who.zarqawi/index.html is the story where it talks about him asking Al Queda for help and basically being turnned down. Also, it looks like this Zarqawi guy only went to Iraq after our invasion, he's actually from Jordan.
I haven't heard Kerry say that the world would be better off if we didn't invade Iraq. I have heard him say it would be better off if we would have waited for a UN collalition.

uno · 09-27-2004, 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by piker
He went to Paris as a naval officer, during the peace talks to talk to the enemy? The Nixon Adminstration did not send him....

He shouldn't apologize to the vietnam vets for defaming them?

Defaming them? He blamed the gov't and what the gov't made them do. All his claims are also documented fact. There were war crimes and atrocities committed. As some of you are so keen on pointing out, its a war, civillians die and bad things happen.

tony286 · 09-27-2004, 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by gothweb
First of all, the problem with oursourcing is when you fire an American to employ someone cheaper overseas. Building a ketchup factory in the country where you are going to sell the damn ketchup just makes sense.

I know John Kerry doesn't run Heinz. Why the hell should it matter how a company his wife is connected to has been run for the last century?

I am pretty sure Theresa Heinz-Kerry doesn't run the company either, by the way.

She has nothing to do with the running of the company she is a share holder

SpikeHeel · 09-27-2004, 09:57 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt
There is nothing that the Bush supporters can say about Kerry that cannot be said about Bush himself. End of story. Vote for whoever the hell you want to, it's your future.

ps: Downtime is a moron.

got it! nice one!

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tony286 · 09-27-2004, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by AdnerAdvertising
Yeah reality is disgusting.

you dont know yet that Iraq had nothing to do with 911. . The Iraqi people did nothing to us for the 1000 th time.

JSA Matt · 09-27-2004, 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by tony404
you dont know yet that Iraq had nothing to do with 911. . The Iraqi people did nothing to us for the 1000 th time.

Adner = DarkJedi, you are talking to a brick wall.

AdnerAdvertising · 09-27-2004, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt
Adner = DarkJedi, you are talking to a brick wall.

the brick wall must be you.

piker · 09-27-2004, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by kane
It is too early to tell how things will end in Iraq. We are probably 5-10 years from a final outcome on that but one thing is clear. The bush administration has picked thier course and will not vear from it no matter what. Only recently ( in the last couple of weeks ) did they divert some of the money that was going to go to elections help over there into helping with security because the situation was to dangerous and threatening to hold a serious and effective elections. Apparently the months of car bombings and kidnappings previously were not that threatening.

also as for Ireaq's connection to Al Queda being Zarqawi, CNN seems to thing that he and Osama are actually competitors http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/09/24/who.zarqawi/index.html is the story where it talks about him asking Al Queda for help and basically being turnned down. Also, it looks like this Zarqawi guy only went to Iraq after our invasion, he's actually from Jordan.
I haven't heard Kerry say that the world would be better off if we didn't invade Iraq. I have heard him say it would be better off if we would have waited for a UN collalition.

Well, I'm not sure this changes anything but CNN has 2 employees working on the Kerry Campaign... So I'm not sure how credible they are...

Zarqawi, was in afghanstan training the taliban for 2 years prior to the US attack on Afghanstan... He then got injured on the battlefield and went to Iraq to recover in a hospital ran by Uday...

I just heard the sound bytes from the Kerry saying the world would be better without a war in Iraq... I don't think it matters if he said for UN approval or not.. Because, there is no way the UN would of approved the war in Iraq.. Too many people with veto power there where doing business with Saddam... So at the end of the day, its just rhetoric for Kerry, he's on the wrong side again.

piker · 09-27-2004, 10:11 PM

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Originally posted by tony404
you dont know yet that Iraq had nothing to do with 911. . The Iraqi people did nothing to us for the 1000 th time.

The pic you are quoting has to do with terroist not the iraqi people.. there is a difference... And just because Iraq didnt help plan or carry out 911. Doesnt mean they are innocent in the war against terrosim.

piker · 09-27-2004, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by uno
Defaming them? He blamed the gov't and what the gov't made them do. All his claims are also documented fact. There were war crimes and atrocities committed. As some of you are so keen on pointing out, its a war, civillians die and bad things happen.

Yea, the govt he blamed where generals and people too.. Orders that never happened... This can be verified by 265 or whatever the number of swift boat vets against kerry members there are...

Also, if you read those transcripts.. Kerry admits to himself commiting these atriosities...

Still no problem? What is a problem then?

Dead13 · 09-27-2004, 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt
Adner = DarkJedi, you are talking to a brick wall.

SSSSSHHHHHHH! He is doing us a big favor right now by showing everyone exactly how ignorant and desperate Republicans are.

Sit back relax and...

piker · 09-27-2004, 10:22 PM

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Originally posted by Dead13
SSSSSHHHHHHH! He is doing us a big favor right now by showing everyone exactly how ignorant and desperate Republicans are.

Sit back relax and...

How are republicans desperate.. Republicans aren't screaming on TV about Lieing to the Nation and Betraying America... Nor are they saying anything and everything to get elected even if it means contradicting yourself...

Its not desperate to switch your campaign 50 days out of the election?

Or how about to have the Michael Moore's and the MoveOn's spreading outright lies to swing the election.

If thats not all you got CBS and Rather doing stories based off of forged documents...

What exactly isnt desperate about the Democrats?

Dead13 · 09-27-2004, 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by piker
How are republicans desperate.. Republicans aren't screaming on TV about Lieing to the Nation and Betraying America... Nor are they saying anything and everything to get elected even if it means contradicting yourself...

Its not desperate to switch your campaign 50 days out of the election?

Or how about to have the Michael Moore's and the MoveOn's spreading outright lies to swing the election.

If thats not all you got CBS and Rather doing stories based off of forged documents...

What exactly isnt desperate about the Democrats?

Once again, point proven!

piker · 09-27-2004, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by Dead13

Once again, point proven!

Typical democrat.. don't answer the question.. just say something off topic and act like you are smarter...

So I ask again...

What exactly is not desperate about democrats?

Dead13 · 09-27-2004, 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by piker
Typical democrat.. don't answer the question.. just say something off topic and act like you are smarter...

So I ask again...

What exactly is not desperate about democrats?

Your post was so funny there is actually not one single intelligent thing that could be said about it.

But funny how Republicans always start shit, then blame Dems for doing it. You guys are fucking stupid and everyone sees right through all of you.

JSA Matt · 09-27-2004, 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by piker
Typical democrat.. don't answer the question.. just say something off topic and act like you are smarter...

So I ask again...

What exactly is not desperate about democrats?

If nothing Bush has done to date has made you lose faith in your president and your government, then what would? Nothing? Nuclear war? (this has nothing to do with republican vs. democrat)

piker · 09-27-2004, 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt
If nothing Bush has done to date has made you lose faith in your president and your government, then what would? Nothing? Nuclear war? (this has nothing to do with republican vs. democrat)

Why should I lose faith? Tell me on a non-partisan, no bullshit basis... please

phogirl69 · 09-27-2004, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by piker
Kerry is for security, just a different type of security.. It's not like he wakes up in the morning and asks himself how can I help the terrorist...

Your argument however about losing personal liberties... Tell me which you'd lose with Bush in power, and not Kerry...

In my opinion the personal liberies are the Patriot Act, those type of laws, I know there are others but don't remember their names; the policies/laws that were establish after 9/11 as a result of terrorist attacks to help build security but invade personal freedoms.

Also John Ashhahahahaha, and the justice departments stance against pornography and obscenity. That would affect me directly because of my work.

piker · 09-27-2004, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by Dead13
Your post was so funny there is actually not one single intelligent thing that could be said about it.

But funny how Republicans always start shit, then blame Dems for doing it. You guys are fucking stupid and everyone sees right through all of you.

What did republicans start then blame on Dems? You are spinning pretty bad here.... Bullshit after Bullshit, but no facts...

JSA Matt · 09-27-2004, 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by piker
Why should I lose faith? Tell me on a non-partisan, no bullshit basis... please

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Originally posted by piker
Typical democrat.. don't answer the question.. just say something off topic and act like you are smarter...

i'll just give up now because this will never go anywhere...

piker · 09-27-2004, 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by phogirl69
In my opinion the personal liberies are the Patriot Act, those type of laws, I know there are others but don't remember their names; the policies/laws that were establish after 9/11 as a result of terrorist attacks to help build security but invade personal freedoms.

Also John Ashhahahahaha, and the justice departments stance against pornography and obscenity. That would affect me directly because of my work.

Kerry voted for the Patriot Act....

I hear this argument alot from people here about the Bush admin's policy on pornography and obsenity? What have they done specifically to any legit businesses in this industry?

piker · 09-27-2004, 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt
i'll just give up now because this will never go anywhere...

LOL, is this the democrat way of admitting defeat?

Dead13 · 09-27-2004, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by piker
What did republicans start then blame on Dems? You are spinning pretty bad here.... Bullshit after Bullshit, but no facts...

You should g et a job at Fox News.

Unless you actually believe your own bullshit, then I actually do truly feel sorry for you.

JSA Matt · 09-27-2004, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by piker
LOL, is this the democrat way of admitting defeat?

most than expected response... feel free to answer the question

piker · 09-27-2004, 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by Dead13
You should g et a job at Fox News.

Unless you actually believe your own bullshit, then I actually do truly feel sorry for you.

Again, don't answer.. just say something off topic.. and pretend you are smarter...

You crack me up....

uno · 09-27-2004, 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by piker
Well, I'm not sure this changes anything but CNN has 2 employees working on the Kerry Campaign... So I'm not sure how credible they are...

Zarqawi, was in afghanstan training the taliban for 2 years prior to the US attack on Afghanstan... He then got injured on the battlefield and went to Iraq to recover in a hospital ran by Uday...

I just heard the sound bytes from the Kerry saying the world would be better without a war in Iraq... I don't think it matters if he said for UN approval or not.. Because, there is no way the UN would of approved the war in Iraq.. Too many people with veto power there where doing business with Saddam... So at the end of the day, its just rhetoric for Kerry, he's on the wrong side again.

The CNN employees working for the Kerry campaign are on an opinion and debate show. They are not reporters and never claimed to be impartial. That has no reflection on the news reporting of CNN.

The problem with people and being uninformed is exactly what you just said. They heard sound bytes. The meat and context don't matter. In a fuller context he said the world was a safer place sans Saddam, but the ensuing chaos has also made the world a much less safe place to be.

Dead13 · 09-27-2004, 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by piker
Again, don't answer.. just say something off topic.. and pretend you are smarter...

You crack me up....

Just because it goes over your head, does not mean it was off-topic.

I forget you have to speak slowley to Rush listeners.

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