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BRISK · 09-27-2004, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by jade_dragon
My whole thing with Wal-mart proved you wrong, it was a very pro american only company and now that corporate power took over most of its stuff is now not american only

When did I disagree with this? I didn't.

You proved me wrong for things I never disagreed with

BRISK · 09-27-2004, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by jade_dragon
I can admit when someone counters my point and not get mad, sign of being intelligent and adult, can you say the same?

Your posts started moving towards childish insults of desperation, mine didn't

BRISK · 09-27-2004, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by jade_dragon
I just brought up counter points and arguments, calm yourself.

You're the one who needs to rely on childish insults, not me. Between the two of us, I'm calm.

BRISK · 09-27-2004, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by jade_dragon
outsourcing is very destructive to the economy

A study by Global Insight concludes that information technology outsourcing creates more U.S. jobs than are lost, and the McKinsey Global Institute finds that for every dollar spent on outsourcing to India, the U.S. economy gains at least $1.12.

jade_dragon · 09-27-2004, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
How was I proven wrong about what Sam Walton wanted the company to be?

Had you grasped the spirit of Sam by reading the book or studying him you would have come to the same conclusion that I and Gator had. Sam meant for that company to be almost strictly American in what it sold and who it employeed. When he died the number of foreign produced items being sold in the stores skyrocketed. The CEO's and board of directors took over and went to work making money hand over fist, they did not share the same dream as the founding father of the company, they found it foolish and old fasioned, the old man was dead, time to make money.

As far as corporate movement goes they are doing WONDERFULLY. They hardly mark up food items in the Super Walmarts they increased the number of cheaply made foreign items, signed exclusivity contracts with some producers, effectively giving monopolies to some companies. They increased the numbers and locations of their stores strategically to put family owned markets and producers out of business. They have even started producing smaller more "natural" looking pharmacy stores in our area as a means to counter some of the claims made by mom and pop. I look at them and I marvel at the power of the corporation, yet I know what the costs were. Simular things have happened to Wendy's Food chain. Dave Thomas ran the company one way, making money to take care of himself but gave back to the community, lots of charity work, personable commercials and with quality assurance being JOB 1. He died and his daughter was not able to retain controlling interest due to the movements of the corporate boys. Profits are up but quality and the way the company was run are drastically changed, they have not held their own against other food companies as well and now that Burger King sold to an American company it is one more American Corp to compete against.

BRISK · 09-27-2004, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by jade_dragon
Had you grasped the spirit of Sam by reading the book or studying him you would have come to the same conclusion that I and Gator had. Sam meant for that company to be almost strictly American in what it sold and who it employeed. When he died the number of foreign produced items being sold in the stores skyrocketed. The CEO's and board of directors took over and went to work making money hand over fist, they did not share the same dream as the founding father of the company, they found it foolish and old fasioned, the old man was dead, time to make money.

Show me where I disagreed with this.

I have never disagreed with anything of that.

mardigras · 09-27-2004, 02:09 PM

They are starting to outsource the order-taker's job at fast food restaurants... there is no hope for the US economy

jade_dragon · 09-27-2004, 02:12 PM

Brisk you come across as an intelligent person, so this is the only reason I have taken the time to go back and forth with you. Between the two of us I do not think either one of us is "mad" calm down does not mean anything other than settle. Unlike most of the people on the board even when personally attacked I will not retaliate with anything other than quick wit so I would like to see where I seemed at all aggitated by the back and forth of this post or where I attacked you. I am cooler than a cucumber in the freezer man. As I said I played devil's advocate to answer the original question but always retained that I do it and was ok with what I was doing, only asked that others do the same.

Outsourcing in reality only destroys part of a work force over all, it is a system of checks and balances but can get out of hand. It will create more jobs for those such as janitors to clean the new corporate offices for example, but puts out of work people such as secretaries etc etc. In the corporate world these people are peons anyway so they do not really matter to corporate owners for the most part. (going to the other extreme now of course)

Anyway you have a lot of good points, you have a lot of things you can not answer, you made a few mistakes, it was a good debate and I enjoyed it.

BRISK · 09-27-2004, 02:14 PM

1) I fully agree that Sam Walton was "Buy America"

2) I fully agree that Wal-Mart today is no longer run by Sam Walton, and has moved towards buying the cheapest products from anywhere in the world.

I have never denied that, I don't know why you think I have, especially when these points were critical to the point I made previously in this thread about Wal-Mart employing more people today than it did when it was run by Sam Walton in the "Buy American" days.

BRISK · 09-27-2004, 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by jade_dragon
Brisk you come across as an intelligent person, so this is the only reason I have taken the time to go back and forth with you. Between the two of us I do not think either one of us is "mad" calm down does not mean anything other than settle. Unlike most of the people on the board even when personally attacked I will not retaliate with anything other than quick wit so I would like to see where I seemed at all aggitated by the back and forth of this post or where I attacked you. I am cooler than a cucumber in the freezer man. As I said I played devil's advocate to answer the original question but always retained that I do it and was ok with what I was doing, only asked that others do the same.

Outsourcing in reality only destroys part of a work force over all, it is a system of checks and balances but can get out of hand. It will create more jobs for those such as janitors to clean the new corporate offices for example, but puts out of work people such as secretaries etc etc. In the corporate world these people are peons anyway so they do not really matter to corporate owners for the most part. (going to the other extreme now of course)

Anyway you have a lot of good points, you have a lot of things you can not answer, you made a few mistakes, it was a good debate and I enjoyed it.

OK, I've had enough with this thread too, and I have to go chat with my outsourced workers now.

jade_dragon · 09-27-2004, 02:19 PM

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Outsourcing is now always going to be done by anyone who is not like Sam Walton and has a gun-ho "Americans for America" ideal and refuses to give jobs to outsourced countries no matter if it means less profit for them or not.
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Wal-Mart is probably the largest purchaser of outsourced products in the world. How much of the stuff in Wal-Mart do you think is made in America? How much is China?

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Wal-Mart, which in the late 1980s and early 1990s trumpeted its claim to "Buy American," has doubled its imports from China in the past five years alone, buying some $12 billion in merchandise in 2002. That's nearly 10% of all Chinese exports to the United States.
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http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html

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You did not come up with the idea, you simply posted it from someone eles' argument, Gator and I assumed you were in agreement and backing it up. This argument is flawwed. All of what happened with the influx of Chinese goods happened after the old man was not there to stop it. Even if it meant they would not make as much Sam probably would not have ok'd it.

Yeah I have some Japanese to argue with about a product line ;) Thanks man, If I see you at a convention I will buy you a beer!

09-27-2004, 02:09 PM	#107
mardigras Bon temps! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: down yonder Posts: 14,194	They are starting to outsource the order-taker's job at fast food restaurants... there is no hope for the US economy __________________ .

09-27-2004, 02:12 PM	#108
jade_dragon Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: NEW ORLEANS/Baton Rouge BABY! Posts: 1,737	Brisk you come across as an intelligent person, so this is the only reason I have taken the time to go back and forth with you. Between the two of us I do not think either one of us is "mad" calm down does not mean anything other than settle. Unlike most of the people on the board even when personally attacked I will not retaliate with anything other than quick wit so I would like to see where I seemed at all aggitated by the back and forth of this post or where I attacked you. I am cooler than a cucumber in the freezer man. As I said I played devil's advocate to answer the original question but always retained that I do it and was ok with what I was doing, only asked that others do the same. Outsourcing in reality only destroys part of a work force over all, it is a system of checks and balances but can get out of hand. It will create more jobs for those such as janitors to clean the new corporate offices for example, but puts out of work people such as secretaries etc etc. In the corporate world these people are peons anyway so they do not really matter to corporate owners for the most part. (going to the other extreme now of course) Anyway you have a lot of good points, you have a lot of things you can not answer, you made a few mistakes, it was a good debate and I enjoyed it. __________________ even ADULTS need TOYS icq: 3 6 3 2 6 6 6 7 \| aim: conglomorateman open for business, affiliates and friendships

09-27-2004, 02:14 PM	#109
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	1) I fully agree that Sam Walton was "Buy America" 2) I fully agree that Wal-Mart today is no longer run by Sam Walton, and has moved towards buying the cheapest products from anywhere in the world. I have never denied that, I don't know why you think I have, especially when these points were critical to the point I made previously in this thread about Wal-Mart employing more people today than it did when it was run by Sam Walton in the "Buy American" days. __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

09-27-2004, 02:19 PM	#111
jade_dragon Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: NEW ORLEANS/Baton Rouge BABY! Posts: 1,737	quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by jade_dragon Outsourcing is now always going to be done by anyone who is not like Sam Walton and has a gun-ho "Americans for America" ideal and refuses to give jobs to outsourced countries no matter if it means less profit for them or not. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wal-Mart is probably the largest purchaser of outsourced products in the world. How much of the stuff in Wal-Mart do you think is made in America? How much is China? quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wal-Mart, which in the late 1980s and early 1990s trumpeted its claim to "Buy American," has doubled its imports from China in the past five years alone, buying some $12 billion in merchandise in 2002. That's nearly 10% of all Chinese exports to the United States. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html __________________ Wheeeeee! Christians Are Hypocrites You did not come up with the idea, you simply posted it from someone eles' argument, Gator and I assumed you were in agreement and backing it up. This argument is flawwed. All of what happened with the influx of Chinese goods happened after the old man was not there to stop it. Even if it meant they would not make as much Sam probably would not have ok'd it. Yeah I have some Japanese to argue with about a product line ;) Thanks man, If I see you at a convention I will buy you a beer! __________________ even ADULTS need TOYS icq: 3 6 3 2 6 6 6 7 \| aim: conglomorateman open for business, affiliates and friendships