For those Pro-Iraq War...why?

[malakajoe]

This question goes out to people that are pro-War in Iraq. I ask you why. If you feel because Suddam was a threat to us, then you don't have to list that. I won't debate that with you.

BUT if you feel it is also to free the people of Iraq (or to simply free them), this is for you.

If this is the reason or one of the reasons...then why not some of these.

- 100's of thousands die each year in Africa of starvation. I know we try to "help" them. But if we can spend over 1 hundred Billion dollars on Iraq, why not a few billion to Africa for humanity reasons? More people die each day their than Suddam ever killed.

- Our own neighbor, Mexico, has an incredible poverty rate. The country is far from being strong. Why not help out neighbor with a few of those billions to build their country up to be better?

- Why do we let Cuba keep the government they have? Their are stories of torture, women rights, etc... out of this country and we let it go.

That is just 3.

Lets hear what you got.

[Alex]

On top of that there are tens of thousands of people dieing of genocide in Sudan and African tribe leaders whoes names i cant even pronounce killing thier own people daily.

Altough i believe america should intervene to solve the worlds problems we cant be fucking everywhere at once now can we.

Iraq was on top of the list of issues to resolve in Bush's opinion so he went there first.

[PiksalDesign]

- Our own neighbor, Mexico, has an incredible poverty rate. The country is far from being strong. Why not help out neighbor with a few of those billions to build their country up to be better?

You can take that one down, because the U.S. gives millions alone just for their health care. Even though people in our own country strive to receive it.

[malakajoe]

Originally posted by PiksalDesign
You can take that one down, because the U.S. gives millions alone just for their health care. Even though people in our own country strive to receive it.

I agree with you that our country needs more of this money for our own healthcare.

But what I still don't understand the thinking that it is ok to spend over 100 billion dollars on Iraq. They will getting much more than a few million from us.

[TheJimmy]

Osama = Saddam of course


you silly bird...



oh, and he needed to clean up Daddy's mess that he left behind...and the bastard tried to kill his Daddy...

[Alex]

Originally posted by malakajoe
I agree with you that our country needs more of this money for our own healthcare.

But what I still don't understand the thinking that it is ok to spend over 100 billion dollars on Iraq. They will getting much more than a few million from us.

There is nothing to get. He fealt that it was an important issue and because we put in in the oval office we basically gave him the right to do so.

[malakajoe]

Originally posted by kaliboy2g
There is nothing to get. He fealt that it was an important issue and because we put in in the oval office we basically gave him the right to do so.

So you don't have an opinion. Since the President did it, then it must be the thing to do!!!! I mean..fuck...can you think for yourself?

My country...RIGHT OR WRONG!!! Is that that attitude you have?

[Rochard]

For those of you who have fogotten, we've been to Africa and pulled out because of popular support.

We went into Iraq for a number of reasons:
- Saddam was indeed a threat, and was supporting terrorists. He publically offered to pay the families of suicide bombers.
- Saddam invaded Kuwait, had sanctions imposed on Iraq, and continued to violate them. Daily.
- Saddam attempted to kill a former US President. Although we might have been better off without Bush Sr., It's just the thought of it.
- WMD, in different forms, have indeed been found. However, the Donkey in the Oval Office is smarter than all of us - He's sitting on it, and he'll pull it out right before election day. Single shells filled with Sarin and WX gas have been found in the past two weeks but have haven't been pushed by news outlets. Plans and parts needed to build a nuclear bomb have been burried in someone's back yard. And if somone could explain to me why they have pesticide plants next to ammo dumps, that would be very helpful.

.... and the list goes on. However, the real reason we went to war with Iraq is very simple - Because the US Government, for all of it's faults, is indeed smarter than all of us.

In 2006 or 2007 the world will have reached the peak of oil production world wide. In other words, we'll be producing less and less oil every year until we run out in about 2040. In the next ten years Iraq will be stable, and will more or less be controled by the US - and will be a great launching pad for future attacks into Iran and - gasp - Saudia Arabia.

By 2020 the United States will own 60%-80% of the world's oil reserves, at the very moment the shortage of oil will become a huge crisis.

Think about it. Requirements for oil raises an average of 2% a year, and shortly we'll be unable to meet the current demand - the the current supply will decrese. The United States will cut off everyone else from oil.

Japan went to war with us in the 1940's because they were cut off from oil. WW3 is right around the corner.

[acctman]

Originally posted by kaliboy2g
On top of that there are tens of thousands of people dieing of genocide in Sudan and African tribe leaders whoes names i cant even pronounce killing thier own people daily.

Altough i believe america should intervene to solve the worlds problems we cant be fucking everywhere at once now can we.

Iraq was on top of the list of issues to resolve in Bush's opinion so he went there first.

yeah bin laden got bumped down to number 10-15... or the can't find oh well list

[Peacemaker]

[i]


- Saddam invaded Kuwait, had sanctions imposed on Iraq, and continued to violate them. Daily.
- Saddam attempted to kill a former US President. Although we might have been better off without Bush Sr., It's just the thought of it.
[/B]

its time that europe invades the US, because you killed all the indians

get the point?

[malakajoe]

Originally posted by RocHard


.... and the list goes on. However, the real reason we went to war with Iraq is very simple - Because the US Government, for all of it's faults, is indeed smarter than all of us.

In 2006 or 2007 the world will have reached the peak of oil production world wide. In other words, we'll be producing less and less oil every year until we run out in about 2040. In the next ten years Iraq will be stable, and will more or less be controled by the US - and will be a great launching pad for future attacks into Iran and - gasp - Saudia Arabia.

By 2020 the United States will own 60%-80% of the world's oil reserves, at the very moment the shortage of oil will become a huge crisis.

Think about it. Requirements for oil raises an average of 2% a year, and shortly we'll be unable to meet the current demand - the the current supply will decrese. The United States will cut off everyone else from oil.

Japan went to war with us in the 1940's because they were cut off from oil. WW3 is right around the corner.

Do you agree with this plan? I sure the hell don't. World control/domination is something I will completely, 100% always disagree with.

[Minte]

Originally posted by RocHard
For those of you who have fogotten, we've been to Africa and pulled out because of popular support.

We went into Iraq for a number of reasons:
- Saddam was indeed a threat, and was supporting terrorists. He publically offered to pay the families of suicide bombers.
- Saddam invaded Kuwait, had sanctions imposed on Iraq, and continued to violate them. Daily.
- Saddam attempted to kill a former US President. Although we might have been better off without Bush Sr., It's just the thought of it.
- WMD, in different forms, have indeed been found. However, the Donkey in the Oval Office is smarter than all of us - He's sitting on it, and he'll pull it out right before election day. Single shells filled with Sarin and WX gas have been found in the past two weeks but have haven't been pushed by news outlets. Plans and parts needed to build a nuclear bomb have been burried in someone's back yard. And if somone could explain to me why they have pesticide plants next to ammo dumps, that would be very helpful.

.... and the list goes on. However, the real reason we went to war with Iraq is very simple - Because the US Government, for all of it's faults, is indeed smarter than all of us.

In 2006 or 2007 the world will have reached the peak of oil production world wide. In other words, we'll be producing less and less oil every year until we run out in about 2040. In the next ten years Iraq will be stable, and will more or less be controled by the US - and will be a great launching pad for future attacks into Iran and - gasp - Saudia Arabia.

By 2020 the United States will own 60%-80% of the world's oil reserves, at the very moment the shortage of oil will become a huge crisis.

Think about it. Requirements for oil raises an average of 2% a year, and shortly we'll be unable to meet the current demand - the the current supply will decrese. The United States will cut off everyone else from oil.

Japan went to war with us in the 1940's because they were cut off from oil. WW3 is right around the corner.

Well written Rochard.

[Corleone]

iraq has more oil than africa, cuba & mexico together

[kenny]

Originally posted by Corleone
iraq has more oil than africa, cuba & mexico together

If it was for oil then why are gas prices so high?

[DaLord]

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

- WMD, in different forms, have indeed been found. However, the Donkey in the Oval Office is smarter than all of us - He's sitting on it, and he'll pull it out right before election day. Single shells filled with Sarin and WX gas have been found in the past two weeks but have haven't been pushed by news outlets.

Tah!

Yeah and I am fucken Larry Flynt.

BwaqaahhhAhahahah!!!


Get ready for a fake October surprise!

I give credit to George Bush and his Gestapo fuckers, no one, nothing short of a miracle could have fucked up the United States more.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by kenny
If it was for oil then why are gas prices so high?

Because Bush, an oil man, is running your country....
Higher the price = higher the profits for the friends = more taxes for the gov....

Simple no...

To Rockhard : you really beleive the crap you spitted out ???

[kenny]

Originally posted by directfiesta
Because Bush, an oil man, is running your country....
Higher the price = higher the profits for the friends = more taxes for the gov....

Simple no...

To Rockhard : you really beleive the crap you spitted out ???

But I though he was to stupid to pull something like that off..

Make up your fucking mind!

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by kenny
But I though he was to stupid to pull something like that off..

Make up your fucking mind!

Dick is taking care of things.... George just jumps when asked!

[tony286]

Originally posted by RocHard
For those of you who have fogotten, we've been to Africa and pulled out because of popular support.

We went into Iraq for a number of reasons:
- Saddam was indeed a threat, and was supporting terrorists. He publically offered to pay the families of suicide bombers.
- Saddam invaded Kuwait, had sanctions imposed on Iraq, and continued to violate them. Daily.
- Saddam attempted to kill a former US President. Although we might have been better off without Bush Sr., It's just the thought of it.
- WMD, in different forms, have indeed been found. However, the Donkey in the Oval Office is smarter than all of us - He's sitting on it, and he'll pull it out right before election day. Single shells filled with Sarin and WX gas have been found in the past two weeks but have haven't been pushed by news outlets. Plans and parts needed to build a nuclear bomb have been burried in someone's back yard. And if somone could explain to me why they have pesticide plants next to ammo dumps, that would be very helpful.

.... and the list goes on. However, the real reason we went to war with Iraq is very simple - Because the US Government, for all of it's faults, is indeed smarter than all of us.

In 2006 or 2007 the world will have reached the peak of oil production world wide. In other words, we'll be producing less and less oil every year until we run out in about 2040. In the next ten years Iraq will be stable, and will more or less be controled by the US - and will be a great launching pad for future attacks into Iran and - gasp - Saudia Arabia.

By 2020 the United States will own 60%-80% of the world's oil reserves, at the very moment the shortage of oil will become a huge crisis.

Think about it. Requirements for oil raises an average of 2% a year, and shortly we'll be unable to meet the current demand - the the current supply will decrese. The United States will cut off everyone else from oil.

Japan went to war with us in the 1940's because they were cut off from oil. WW3 is right around the corner.

First off Saddam wasnt a threat he was a paper tiger. We took Iraq in what 3 weeks.

Osama bin Laden was a threat.. He is still at large. 15 of the 19 terrorists were Arabs.

Kuwait was invaded because of slant drilling. Kuwait was stealing their oil . It was far from random.


If he was so evil why were we in bed with Saddam for how long, what we woke up and decided he is bad now?

Also if he was this monster everyone say he was, why are American soldiers dying everyday?

No one gives or gave a fuck about the Iraqi people . IF they did they would be driving the trucks and have the Haliburton jobs, not some guy from Iowa. They have ph.d's and skilled people but yet we have to ship Americans in for 15 grand and up a month. You dont think they dont see that in a country with 67% unemployment and realize it was all a big cash grab?

Also if you think the USA is going to control 80% of the oil , you are kidding yourself . The chinese are giving up their bicycles for cars, so if you think they will rollover once again you are kidding yourself.

What this government should be doing is be putting real money into finding alternative energy sources and setting real deadlines.

You blindly believe they have your interests at heart? Thats funny.

[Alex]

Originally posted by malakajoe
So you don't have an opinion. Since the President did it, then it must be the thing to do!!!! I mean..fuck...can you think for yourself?

My country...RIGHT OR WRONG!!! Is that that attitude you have?

You didnt ask for an opinion, you are just another person bashing bush becuase its the popular thing to do. Fucking idiot, think for yourself.

[tony286]

Originally posted by kaliboy2g
You didnt ask for an opinion, you are just another person bashing bush becuase its the popular thing to do. Fucking idiot, think for yourself.

And what do you call what you do blindly following a guy who refuses to admit any mistakes even though they have cost Americans their lives.

[Alex]

Originally posted by tony404
And what do you call what you do blindly following a guy who refuses to admit any mistakes even though they have cost Americans their lives.

What mistakes?


Thats why we have elections every 4 years.
If we think he is doing something wrong, we dont re-elect him.

War does take lives. But please dont call this war a mistake, honor the people that are risking thier lives while you sit here safe and secure behine a moniter.

[malakajoe]

Originally posted by kaliboy2g
You didnt ask for an opinion, you are just another person bashing bush becuase its the popular thing to do. Fucking idiot, think for yourself.

Popular thing to do? Think for myself? What the fuck?

I have disliked Bush since BEFORE he was elected. I have never supported him.

I asked why are we at war? If you don't think that is asking for an opinion and need it spelled out to you......then I apologize for not being so simplistic for idiots like you.

I honestly believe this country is going down the drain. Not because I hate this country do I say this...it is because I love this country enough to fight for what I believe in and what I feel is right. My country Right or Wrong is a bunch of bullshit..but unfortunately many idiots follow it.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by kaliboy2g
What mistakes?


Thats why we have elections every 4 years.
If we think he is doing something wrong, we dont re-elect him.

War does take lives. But please dont call this war a mistake, honor the people that are risking thier lives while you sit here safe and secure behine a moniter.

WMD... Stock piles ... Nuclear ( or nucular) threat ... Red zones ... Abu Grauib and so on...
If they are not mistakes, WTF are they....

[Buff]

We have to test our weapons systems every few years and get some combat experience for our troops. It helps to have a war every 5-10 years.

Who better to attack than Hussein?

[Alex]

Originally posted by directfiesta
WMD... Stock piles ... Nuckuar ( or nucular) threat ... Red zones ... Abu Grauib and so on...
If they are not mistakes, WTF are they....

***First of all. I am voting kerry***

What mistakes hasnt he admitted too.

He aknowledged the fact that they didnt find and WMD

[tony286]

Originally posted by kaliboy2g
What mistakes?


Thats why we have elections every 4 years.
If we think he is doing something wrong, we dont re-elect him.

War does take lives. But please dont call this war a mistake, honor the people that are risking thier lives while you sit here safe and secure behine a moniter.

This War is a mistake and saying that doesnt dishonor those who their gave their lives for a lie. It makes me sick how the troops are being used as shield for a admin to hide behind.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."


-- President Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

[Alex]

Originally posted by tony404
This War is a mistake and saying that doesnt dishonor those who their gave their lives for a lie. It makes me sick how the troops are being used as shield for a admin to hide behind.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."


-- President Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

To referr back on all the points i have been making.

I dont give a fuck about what other people thing or what the popular thing to do it.

My opinion is not, and never will be influenced by what someone else believes it.
I only base it on the facts i see and what i think is so.

That quote you made, although a very good one, was basically worthless.

[Alex]

The war is not a mistake.

Rushing into it was, but going to was was inevitable.

[xclusive]

I think that is was right to get saddam out but it's time to bring our boys and girls home and for those that want to stay in habe them patrol the borders and do something to actually protect this country...

[Alex]

Originally posted by xclusive
I think that is was right to get saddam out but it's time to bring our boys and girls home and for those that want to stay in habe them patrol the borders and do something to actually protect this country...

We cant just pull out of Iraq, we started the "mess" we must clean it.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by kaliboy2g
To referr back on all the points i have been making.

I dont give a fuck about what other people thing or what the popular thing to do it.

My opinion is not, and never will be influenced by what someone else believes it.
I only base it on the facts i see and what i think is so.

That quote you made, although a very good one, was basically worthless.

In a few words, your position is:

I must remain IGNORANT !!!!

[Fire]

Originally posted by directfiesta
Because Bush, an oil man, is running your country....
Higher the price = higher the profits for the friends = more taxes for the gov....

Simple no...

To Rockhard : you really beleive the crap you spitted out ???

Not true... federal and state taxes are determined by the gallon!!! Not by the cost of a gallon of gas.

Do you know anything about supply and demand?? Maybe the gas price is up because demand is higher and supply is not growing fast enough?

Originally posted by directfiesta
In a few words, your position is:

I must remain IGNORANT !!!!

Before you go around calling others Ignorant, perhaps you ought to be sure you know what you are spouting off about.

[tony286]

Originally posted by xclusive
I think that is was right to get saddam out but it's time to bring our boys and girls home and for those that want to stay in habe them patrol the borders and do something to actually protect this country...

Why was it right to get rid of Saddam? He did nothing to us, was a paper tiger. Please explain this to me when there are much more dangerious countries with Nuclear weapons. Iran has more nucs now then when Bush took office and North Korea made this threat recently :

Friday, September 24, 2004
By Barbara Demick, Los Angeles Times

SEOUL, South Korea -- In an unusually explicit threat to its neighbor yesterday, North Korea warned that Japan would be immersed in a "nuclear sea of fire" if the United States were to attack the North.

[malakajoe]

Originally posted by kaliboy2g
To referr back on all the points i have been making.

I dont give a fuck about what other people thing or what the popular thing to do it.

My opinion is not, and never will be influenced by what someone else believes it.
I only base it on the facts i see and what i think is so.

That quote you made, although a very good one, was basically worthless.

The quote was not worthless. You were stating that we are in Iraq because Bush wanted to go there. I was stating that I felt we shouldn't be there. I used the quote of a respect president on how no president is above critism and how we should question the president when we feel he is in the wrong.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by Fire
Not true... federal and state taxes are determined by the gallon!!! Not by the cost of a gallon of gas.

Do you know anything about supply and demand?? Maybe the gas price is up because demand is higher and supply is not growing fast enough?



Before you go around calling others Ignorant, perhaps you ought to be sure you know what you are spouting off about.

Read his fucking post: he says he doesn;t want to hear about anything else then what he already knows...

That is wishing to be ignorant ....

Gov is getting more taxes because of high price of the gallon:

- higher prices of merchandise
- higher price of transport
- higher prices of airlines tickrets...

I don't wish to try to educate you: there is no point.

You are right, whatever the subject was.

[malakajoe]

Originally posted by Fire
Not true... federal and state taxes are determined by the gallon!!! Not by the cost of a gallon of gas.

Do you know anything about supply and demand?? Maybe the gas price is up because demand is higher and supply is not growing fast enough?



Before you go around calling others Ignorant, perhaps you ought to be sure you know what you are spouting off about.

Supply and demand rules don't always work as they should. It is known that, even with bullshit laws in place at are supposed to stop it, gas stations price guage when the opportunity is right.

I think America has too low of gas prices. Unpopular for me to say, but I think it is the truth. Look at other countries. My issue is that gas should keep with inflation and true supply and demand. Instead the prices are manipulated and rise/drop at too high or low of percentages too often.

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by kaliboy2g
We cant just pull out of Iraq, we started the "mess" we must clean it.

I suppose you believe in Santa Claus as well.

Iraq will be run by Mullahs in under 5 years, Rochards reasons will look like the writing of a child and Bush will be exposed as the fool he is.

Some of you have blind faith in what your military can achieve, well they may be able to win a war, but a helpless to win the peace.

[Alex]

Originally posted by directfiesta
In a few words, your position is:

I must remain IGNORANT !!!!

Now i remeber why you were on my ingroe list...


Ignorace is not knowing that you dont know all the facts about something.

I do not have all the facts on what really happened and what the Presidents motives were, but i know that i dont know that.

Thats why i dont jump on the bandwagon with the rest of you idiots saying that he is only there for oil or some other dump misleading opinion.

You not being the president can not know what the real motive is.

And thts why i dont base my opinion on the opinions of othrs or of other "respcected" presidents.

I base it on the facts i have in front of me and even though i know that they may not be true, they are what there is so i dont mkae up stories about what there could be.

Having that said. We went to Iraq becuase:

1. We feared there were WMD
2. We felt Saddam was a threat to to the US
3. We felt that Saddam was a cruel dictator and a mass muderer.

Do not argue with me ont these three facts. They are FACTS. This is why we went to Iraq. Unless you can prove that we are there for any other reasons, your theories are false untill proven true.

[tony286]

Originally posted by kaliboy2g
Now i remeber why you were on my ingroe list...


Ignorace is not knowing that you dont know all the facts about something.

I do not have all the facts on what really happened and what the Presidents motives were, but i know that i dont know that.

Thats why i dont jump on the bandwagon with the rest of you idiots saying that he is only there for oil or some other dump misleading opinion.

You not being the president can not know what the real motive is.

And thts why i dont base my opinion on the opinions of othrs or of other "respcected" presidents.

I base it on the facts i have in front of me and even though i know that they may not be true, they are what there is so i dont mkae up stories about what there could be.

Having that said. We went to Iraq becuase:

1. We feared there were WMD
2. We felt Saddam was a threat to to the US
3. We felt that Saddam was a cruel dictator and a mass muderer.

Do not argue with me ont these three facts. They are FACTS. This is why we went to Iraq. Unless you can prove that we are there for any other reasons, your theories are false untill proven true.

felt is not a fact its a feeling FYI

[Alex]

Originally posted by tony404
felt is not a fact its a feeling FYI

Yes, but it is a fact that Bush said that he fealt that Suddam was a threat.

[tony286]

Originally posted by kaliboy2g
Yes, but it is a fact that Bush said that he fealt that Suddam was a threat.

if some one close to you died in iraq over felt ,it would be interesting how your thoughts would be then

[bringer]

going into iraq was the right thing to do, staying was wrong.
cruise into iraq, pull down some statues and bomb saddam into submission is what bush should of done.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by kaliboy2g
Yes, but it is a fact that Bush said that he fealt that Suddam was a threat.

How old are you ?

Are you drunk ?

Are you still in scholl ( I hope so , for your sake ...)

You speak like Bush ( and I didn't mean that as a compliment...):

I do not have all the facts on what really happened and what the Presidents motives were, but i know that i dont know that.

BTW, there is just one presiident at a time... or maybe it is because of the internets ....

[Alex]

Originally posted by tony404
if some one close to you died in iraq over felt ,it would be interesting how your thoughts would be then

Pay attention dumbass. Nothing can change a fact. Unless it is proven wrong.

Of course i feel horrible that we have soldiers dying in Iraq, But these people knew they had a chance of going to war and risking thier lives to fight for America when they Voluntarly Enlisted in the army.

[Alex]

Originally posted by directfiesta
How old are you ?

Are you drunk ?

Are you still in scholl ( I hope so , for your sake ...)

You speak like Bush ( and I didn't mean that as a compliment...):





BTW, there is just one presiident at a time... or maybe it is because of the internets ....

Still sober and its scHool.

You idiot, President's motives. Fuck could you really not grasp that there should be an apostrophy there.

[KRL]

Iraq sits on the 2nd largest oil reserves on the planet. Approx 115 Billion Barrels of proven reserves and by some estimates there are anoth 130 Billion Barrels undiscovered.

At the current price of oil that's about $6 to $12 TRILLION dollars. That's T as in Trillion.

Saddam was becoming a fuckup. He told banks to GFY on over $120 Billion in loans.

He was probably the most sadistic dictator of this century. Millions of men, women and children were horrifically tortured and executed.

He was about to do some funky currency switches moving Iraq's foreign reserves into the Euro to fuckup the dollar.

He did want nukes though I doubt he actually had them.

Iraq is at the center of the middle east and was geographically perfect for the right wingers in the US administration who believe it was time to begin the process of attempting to inject democracy into the muslim world.

The US economy needed a war.

The world's oil company's and OPEC countries needed this war to take oil to incredible new highs to build up immense cash hoards as the world begins to lessen its dependency on oil and moves towards electric hybrid type engines and maglev technologies.

And lots more reasons, but those are the main ones.

[uno]

Originally posted by kenny
If it was for oil then why are gas prices so high?

Why would gas prices fall? The companies have more control over it, can ration it out as they see fit, and make more profit.

[PornGeneral]

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