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.:St Ides:. · 09-22-2004, 12:07 PM

For what others were asking before I believe gspotmoney is also main with ibill.

I spoke to a "friend" there as well and he said the injunction has not been lifted and that they will make an official statement soon.

I do not process with ibill and am not a die hard ibill supporter, but I do feel they are able to pull out of this and make something happen.

Johny Traffic · 09-22-2004, 12:08 PM

Im a little confused, are they no longer to process as from now? Or as from a set date in the near future?

WiredGuy · 09-22-2004, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by XPays
thirdly- XPays has paid and always will pay out on all joins commenced regardless of our ability to collect from any third party. Our variety is part of our business model.

If a processor can't charge surfers though, that doesn't really help affiliates or XPays. Good thing you added paycom.
WG

PornGeneral · 09-22-2004, 12:09 PM

Did he know something was not right. Here is an insider transaction:

9-Aug-04 BAXTER, GENE 11,000 Planned Sale $70,9501

xxxoutsourcing · 09-22-2004, 12:09 PM

Yikes

Veterans Day · 09-22-2004, 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by PornGeneral
Did he know something was not right. Here is an insider transaction:

9-Aug-04 BAXTER, GENE 11,000 Planned Sale $70,9501

insider trading speaks volumes in a majority of cases

pradaboy · 09-22-2004, 12:10 PM

hmmm interesting...

sadly I don't know which programs depend on Ibill for primary processing, would be good to know tho

BRISK · 09-22-2004, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by MarkTiarra
I hope they work something out because if not this will be the single biggest hit this industry has taken since Web800 went down and this one will likely be worse.

True

stocktrader23 · 09-22-2004, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by PornGeneral
Total Cash (mrq): 28.00K
Total Debt (mrq)²: 1.17M

Average Volume (3 month): 18,750
Shares Outstanding: 15.67M
Float: 11.40M
% Held by Insiders: 27.26%
% Held by Institutions: N/A

Unconfirmed just grabbed from the Key Statistics, but this is not promissing. Insiders don't hold a huge stack in the outcome of the company and the volume is garbage. Not to mention the all stock buy of iBill from Penthouse.

Wow.

DatingGold · 09-22-2004, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by Dawgy
does this affect EU processing?

i assume not... that it only affects US joins & US rebills...

It does because they are not paying EU clients

XPays · 09-22-2004, 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
If a processor can't charge surfers though, that doesn't really help affiliates or XPays. Good thing you added paycom.
WG

yup

AaronM · 09-22-2004, 12:16 PM

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...adid=360309&s=

PornGeneral · 09-22-2004, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM
http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...adid=360309&s=

OT: That's just wrong to give out someone's phone number unless they publish it...

GSpotShawn · 09-22-2004, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by .:St Ides:.
For what others were asking before I believe gspotmoney is also main with ibill.

I spoke to a "friend" there as well and he said the injunction has not been lifted and that they will make an official statement soon.

I do not process with ibill and am not a die hard ibill supporter, but I do feel they are able to pull out of this and make something happen.

On the old version of GSpotmoney we processed purely with iBill, with the newer PPS and Rev split version using NATs software we break up the processing between CCBill and IBill. NATs let's us switch primary processors on the fly, so everything at GSpotmoney should be running correctly.

homegrownmof · 09-22-2004, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM
This from a guy who has yet to figure out that a sentence should end with some sort of punctuation.

Nice.

I love it when people like you try to insult me. Usually insults like this are followed by comments about me being fat and bald too.

I'll let you know when I give a fuck about you, your opinions, or your company.

Now....Mr. "I'm a Trial Attorney".......Come at me with something a bit stronger or SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Not only are you fat and bald, but you are a dipshit too.

A nobody saying nothing.

PornGeneral · 09-22-2004, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by stocktrader23
Wow.

Ya, that's what I said to when iBill was bought by Care Concepts. The cash on hand is a little to low.. IMHO

Morphious · 09-22-2004, 12:20 PM

OK , My first post, but thought it was important.

I talked to my Ibill rep this morning in detail.

He said that if they do not get the injunction, that they would turn the system over to Stand In billing and that they already have an agreement with the new bank to run a Large batch job once this is up. He also said that this should not take to long as they have over 30 people working on getting this new system up and running ASAP.

* PS. This is only what I was told from them..........

MickeyG · 09-22-2004, 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by homegrownmof
Not only are you fat and bald, but you are a dipshit too.

A nobody saying nothing.

Drake · 09-22-2004, 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by Morphious
OK , My first post, but thought it was important.

I talked to my Ibill rep this morning in detail.

He said that if they do not get the injunction, that they would turn the system over to Stand In billing and that they already have an agreement with the new bank to run a Large batch job once this is up. He also said that this should not take to long as they have over 30 people working on getting this new system up and running ASAP.

* PS. This is only what I was told from them..........

Good to hear

boobmaster · 09-22-2004, 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by Mike33
It's not so much whether they be able to find another processor, it's will they be able to in time, if in fact, they are only looking into an alternative now. A few days losing $800k every day and it becomes too late because the company is bankrupt and no longer has a need for a processor.

The paper work alone will take days for something this large assuming the paper work only started today or a few days ago.

It's not like multi-million dollar processors haven't gone under before for one reason or another. I can recall at least 5 in the past year and a half. Why didn't they move under a different name, get a new account, start all over again? Because it's not that easy.

I can't believe that a major billing company like ibill would not have a contingency plan for something like this. If they didn't, that is inexcusable.

Calvinguy · 09-22-2004, 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by Morphious
OK , My first post, but thought it was important.

I talked to my Ibill rep this morning in detail.

He said that if they do not get the injunction, that they would turn the system over to Stand In billing and that they already have an agreement with the new bank to run a Large batch job once this is up. He also said that this should not take to long as they have over 30 people working on getting this new system up and running ASAP.

* PS. This is only what I was told from them..........

In theory this could be right.... standin processing has happen a few times in the past also when network problems etc. occured.

I cross my fingers (and switch to CCbill as primary in the mean time)

stocktrader23 · 09-22-2004, 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by Morphious
OK , My first post, but thought it was important.

I talked to my Ibill rep this morning in detail.

He said that if they do not get the injunction, that they would turn the system over to Stand In billing and that they already have an agreement with the new bank to run a Large batch job once this is up. He also said that this should not take to long as they have over 30 people working on getting this new system up and running ASAP.

* PS. This is only what I was told from them..........

That's to be expected. However I imagine First Data will be holding money longer than usual and if the stock takes a dive it will hurt the cashflow even more. A stock being on hold isn't some minor issue.

Good luck to you and everyone else though. Hopefully it will all blow over as smoothly as possible but it's rather frightening what could happen.

.:St Ides:. · 09-22-2004, 12:26 PM

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Originally posted by GSpotShawn
On the old version of GSpotmoney we processed purely with iBill, with the newer PPS and Rev split version using NATs software we break up the processing between CCBill and IBill. NATs let's us switch primary processors on the fly, so everything at GSpotmoney should be running correctly.

The main worry is not new transactions, but old rebills

PornGeneral · 09-22-2004, 12:33 PM

I am glad to hear this, but the main concern is not with the operation its with the companies ability to pay its bills and remain.

Does Care Concepts have the ability and finacial backing to under take this?

A stock being halted just doesn't happen when you are switching processors.

GSpotShawn · 09-22-2004, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by .:St Ides:.
The main worry is not new transactions, but old rebills

I realize this, my point was that transactions have been split since march when running through our new affiliate script and that affiliates currently sending traffic through this script shouldn't be concerned as their transactions are being processed with ccbill.

AaronM · 09-22-2004, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by homegrownmof
Not only are you fat and bald, but you are a dipshit too.

A nobody saying nothing.

LOL...Is this the part where I call you and threaten you now?

I've never had anything but respect for you and your company. It's nice to see where that gets people.

Kinda makes me glad that I never chose to do business with your company after the emails inviting me to do so.

baddog · 09-22-2004, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
this is the correct answer, there are no other industries with as many clueless 18 year old wannbe player, pimp businessmen, that reak havoc on the industry for the fast buck with no regards to tommorrow. Pure havoc sooner or later. If your a large program doing the volume and have the ability to get your own merchant, I wouldn't hesitate if I were you.

as those clueless 18 year old wannbe player, pimp businessmen, that reak havoc on the industry for the fast buck with no regards to tommorrow would say, "werd."

XPays · 09-22-2004, 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM
LOL...Is this the part where I call you and threaten you now?

I've never had anything but respect for you and your company. It's nice to see where that gets people.

Kinda makes me glad that I never chose to do business with your company after the emails inviting me to do so.

we'll gladly accept your traffic anytime aaron at http://XPays.com

only people who commit signup fraud are blacklisted with us despite anything you might say or do...

AaronM · 09-22-2004, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by XPays
we'll gladly accept your traffic anytime aaron at http://XPays.com

only people who commit signup fraud are blacklisted with us despite anything you might say or do...

I'm sorry...Did it appear that my above post was quoting or directed to you in any way? Do you own Homegrown now?

As for sending you traffic....Until you call me back and apologize for trying to intimidate me with your threats, you can kiss my black ass.

XPays · 09-22-2004, 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM
I'm sorry...Did it appear that my above post was quoting or directed to you in any way? Do you own Homegrown now?

As for sending you traffic....Until you call me back and apologize for trying to intimidate me with your threats, you can kiss my black ass.

homegrown has been cranking away since i was sucking my mother's tit- but you'll be able to promote them through XPays soon

ssssshhhh

s9ann0 · 09-22-2004, 01:01 PM

I don't really know shit about CC proessing but isn't it a little bit weird there is no backup proccesors ?

AaronM · 09-22-2004, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by XPays
homegrown has been cranking away since i was sucking my mother's tit- but you'll be able to promote them through XPays soon ssssshhhh

Thanks for answering the question. This also explains why one of their owners would come on here and attack me.

Can somebody post the definition of shill again please?

Morphious · 09-22-2004, 01:08 PM

news about the ibill denial on avnonline

XPays · 09-22-2004, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

Can somebody post the definition of shill again please?

shill is what you are doing for us right now and thanks!

Morphious · 09-22-2004, 01:15 PM

Anybody on here using ibill - should really go into there CMI and down load all of ther active and past users emails , back up your password list and make screen captures of your current schedualed rebills - and any finacial information that you may need...

Also if they do fail, some other companies are offering that they run the recures from Ibill , if we can get them........

Rick Latona · 09-22-2004, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by Morphious
Anybody on here using ibill - should really go into there CMI and down load all of ther active and past users emails , back up your password list and make screen captures of your current schedualed rebills - and any finacial information that you may need...

Also if they do fail, some other companies are offering that they run the recures from Ibill , if we can get them........

That's very solid advice.

homegrownmof · 09-22-2004, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM
LOL...Is this the part where I call you and threaten you now?

I've never had anything but respect for you and your company. It's nice to see where that gets people.

Kinda makes me glad that I never chose to do business with your company after the emails inviting me to do so.

Call and threaten me? with what?

I formally rescind the offer to do business with us.

lawked · 09-22-2004, 01:25 PM

Right strikes again?

Rather, religious right

Why would First Data toss out 800,000 a day in processing?

Doesn't make sense unless some republican is behind it.

AaronM · 09-22-2004, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by homegrownmof
I formally rescind the offer to do business with us.

This is the same as telling somebody: "You can't fire me because I quit."

I made the decision not to do business with you a long time ago. Not because you did anything wrong...Just because I was not interested in having you as a client. It was nothing personal, but your attack was.

Thank you for the professional courtesy of that. [/sarcasm]

Rick Latona · 09-22-2004, 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by lawked
Right strikes again?

Rather, religious right

Why would First Data toss out 800,000 a day in processing?

Doesn't make sense unless some republican is behind it.

Unbelievable, ain't it?

PornGeneral · 09-22-2004, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by Morphious
Anybody on here using ibill - should really go into there CMI and down load all of ther active and past users emails , back up your password list and make screen captures of your current schedualed rebills - and any finacial information that you may need...

Also if they do fail, some other companies are offering that they run the recures from Ibill , if we can get them........

Yup, and print your WM agreement and online statements.

lawked · 09-22-2004, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by Rick Latona
Unbelievable, ain't it?

What I really find unbelievable are all these adult webmasters that are republicans and actively defending bush.

They'll get a hit and then some republican leader will blame Clinton and all will be great. Fucking idiots.

If civil war breaks out, I'm heading to all the "red states" .

Just kidding

Dax · 09-22-2004, 01:40 PM

Where is ibill reply in all this ?

Theo · 09-22-2004, 01:47 PM

My instict says ibill will be around for long time. I guess we'll know in few days.

Rick Latona · 09-22-2004, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
My instict says ibill will be around for long time. I guess we'll know in few days.

The company still has some value. It all comes down to the quality of their management. A super star CEO could pull out of it.

The Other Steve · 09-22-2004, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by Dax
Where is ibill reply in all this ?

There is a brief comment by one of their lawyers in the AVN article.

Apart from that a couple of people have reported what they were told by their iBill reps and that's it.

Shap · 09-22-2004, 01:57 PM

lawked my partner did some research and the chairman of First Data is not only a republican he also donated large sums to the Republican party and Bush in the last year.

Johny Traffic · 09-22-2004, 01:58 PM

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The company still has some value. It all comes down to the quality of their management. A super star CEO could pull out of it.

I hope they do

scardog · 09-22-2004, 02:01 PM

I do too. It seems many people are celebrating this. I don't see this as Ibill being a bad company. The are back full force in the adult space, trying to try new technologies, and just because some people claimed they would go out of business last year, they are jumping for joy so they can say I told you so. If Ibill goes, then who's next. Are you sure your bank won't do the same type of thing?

kbut · 09-22-2004, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by shap
lawked my partner did some research and the chairman of First Data is not only a republican he also donated large sums to the Republican party and Bush in the last year.

Oh great, here come the conspiracy theories.............Surprised it took so long.

09-22-2004, 12:08 PM	#102
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09-22-2004, 12:09 PM	#104
PornGeneral Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In front of computer Posts: 564	Did he know something was not right. Here is an insider transaction: 9-Aug-04 BAXTER, GENE 11,000 Planned Sale $70,9501 __________________ "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -Patton "Only the dead have seen the end of war." -Plato

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09-22-2004, 12:10 PM	#107
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09-22-2004, 12:33 PM	#124
PornGeneral Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In front of computer Posts: 564	I am glad to hear this, but the main concern is not with the operation its with the companies ability to pay its bills and remain. Does Care Concepts have the ability and finacial backing to under take this? A stock being halted just doesn't happen when you are switching processors. __________________ "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -Patton "Only the dead have seen the end of war." -Plato

09-22-2004, 12:07 PM	#101
.:St Ides:. Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,857	For what others were asking before I believe gspotmoney is also main with ibill. I spoke to a "friend" there as well and he said the injunction has not been lifted and that they will make an official statement soon. I do not process with ibill and am not a die hard ibill supporter, but I do feel they are able to pull out of this and make something happen.

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09-22-2004, 12:20 PM	#117
Morphious Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 197	OK , My first post, but thought it was important. I talked to my Ibill rep this morning in detail. He said that if they do not get the injunction, that they would turn the system over to Stand In billing and that they already have an agreement with the new bank to run a Large batch job once this is up. He also said that this should not take to long as they have over 30 people working on getting this new system up and running ASAP. * PS. This is only what I was told from them..........

09-22-2004, 01:01 PM	#131
s9ann0 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Boston Posts: 4,873	I don't really know shit about CC proessing but isn't it a little bit weird there is no backup proccesors ?

09-22-2004, 01:08 PM	#133
Morphious Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 197	news about the ibill denial on avnonline

09-22-2004, 01:15 PM	#135
Morphious Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 197	Anybody on here using ibill - should really go into there CMI and down load all of ther active and past users emails , back up your password list and make screen captures of your current schedualed rebills - and any finacial information that you may need... Also if they do fail, some other companies are offering that they run the recures from Ibill , if we can get them........

09-22-2004, 01:25 PM	#138
lawked Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 354	Right strikes again? Rather, religious right Why would First Data toss out 800,000 a day in processing? Doesn't make sense unless some republican is behind it.

09-22-2004, 01:40 PM	#143
Dax Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,161	Where is ibill reply in all this ?

09-22-2004, 01:47 PM	#144
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	My instict says ibill will be around for long time. I guess we'll know in few days.

09-22-2004, 01:57 PM	#147
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	lawked my partner did some research and the chairman of First Data is not only a republican he also donated large sums to the Republican party and Bush in the last year.

09-22-2004, 02:01 PM	#149
scardog Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 886	I do too. It seems many people are celebrating this. I don't see this as Ibill being a bad company. The are back full force in the adult space, trying to try new technologies, and just because some people claimed they would go out of business last year, they are jumping for joy so they can say I told you so. If Ibill goes, then who's next. Are you sure your bank won't do the same type of thing?