Russia FINALLY sees the light

[boobmaster]

MOSCOW - President Vladimir Putin said that Russia is preparing for pre-emptive strikes against terrorists, as Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev claimed responsibility for a school hostage-taking and other terror attacks in Russia that have claimed more than 430 lives.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=518&ncid=716

[alexg]

I wouldn't worry about russia for not seeing the light regarding fighting terrorism...

many other countries come to mind though

[boobmaster]

Originally posted by alexg
I wouldn't worry about russia for not seeing the light regarding fighting terrorism...

many other countries come to mind though

you mean like Spain, France, and Germany?

[alexg]

Originally posted by boobmaster
you mean like Spain, France, and Germany?

among the others, yeah

[CamChicks]

Yes, Putin, an old-school soviet and former KGB spy, is now using terrorism as an excuse to sieze more power and repeal virtually all off the democratic advancement Russia had made since the Cold War ended. Under the new Kremlin dictatorship he will use the 'Bush Doctrine' as cover for limiting freedom and individual rights, and when tens of thousands of innocent people start piling up dead we won't have shit to say about it. Some of you rednecks might cheer that right now .... but, in the past 50 years, did America have more to fear from a dictatorship in Iraq, or a dictatorship in Russia?

[Reak]

about time

[Tempest]

Originally posted by CamChicks
Yes, Putin, an old-school soviet and former KGB spy, is now using terrorism as an excuse to sieze more power and repeal virtually all off the democratic advancement Russia had made since the Cold War ended. Under the new Kremlin dictatorship he will use the 'Bush Doctrine' as cover for limiting freedom and individual rights, and when tens of thousands of innocent people start piling up dead we won't have shit to say about it. Some of you rednecks might cheer that right now .... but, in the past 50 years, did America have more to fear from a dictatorship in Iraq, or a dictatorship in Russia?

[Corleone]

???

Russia is fighting against this fucking terrorists for a few years already

[Corleone]

Originally posted by alexg
I wouldn't worry about russia for not seeing the light regarding fighting terrorism...

many other countries come to mind though

I wish the USA will start their fight against terror... stealing oil in Iraq doesn't make this world safer

[alexg]

Originally posted by Corleone
I wish the USA will start their fight against terror... stealing oil in Iraq doesn't make this world safer

but killing terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan does

[alexg]

Originally posted by Corleone
???

Russia is fighting against this fucking terrorists for a few years already

true. that's why I said I wouldn't worry too much about Russia.

But now they're going to fight terrorism even more, which is good.

[Raf1]

Originally posted by alexg
true. that's why I said I wouldn't worry too much about Russia.

But now they're going to fight terrorism even more, which is good.

do you have any idea what the Russians are doing in Chechnia??
For me a fucking army that uses tanks and rockets to wipe out entire villages and towns are even greater terrorists, because they don't even have the guts to risk their own lives. What the terrorists did to the russian children was unhuman, but Putin isn't only after the terrorists, he's after the entire nation. Most of them have nothing to do with any terrorist attacks.

[alexg]

Originally posted by Raf1
do you have any idea what the Russians are doing in Chechnia??
For me a fucking army that uses tanks and rockets to wipe out entire villages and towns are even greater terrorists, because they don't even have the guts to risk their own lives. What the terrorists did to the russian children was unhuman, but Putin isn't only after the terrorists, he's after the entire nation. Most of them have nothing to do with any terrorist attacks.

well the Israeli soldiers are risking their lives, and I'd rather have them not

[just a punk]

Originally posted by Corleone
???

Russia is fighting against this fucking terrorists for a few years already

But for some reason it was a BIG secret for the US people. Lots of them still think that Chechen terrorists like Basayev etc just fighting for a freedom. He-he naïve cnn-brainwashed losers...

P.S. Nothing personal against the US guys. It's just a stones throw at cnn/fox/bbc/othervenalbitches.

[just a punk]

Originally posted by CamChicks
Yes, Putin, an old-school soviet and former KGB spy, is now using terrorism as an excuse to sieze more power and repeal virtually all off the democratic advancement Russia had made since the Cold War ended. Under the new Kremlin dictatorship he will use the 'Bush Doctrine' as cover for limiting freedom and individual rights, and when tens of thousands of innocent people start piling up dead we won't have shit to say about it. Some of you rednecks might cheer that right now .... but, in the past 50 years, did America have more to fear from a dictatorship in Iraq, or a dictatorship in Russia?

Yes, frear us!

[just a punk]

Originally posted by alexg
but killing terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan does

So funny... Man, it may be a secret for you as well, but THERE WERE NO TERRORISTS IN IRAQ BEFORE THE USA DECITED TO INVAIDE THAT COUNTRY.

Please don't tell me about belonging of Saddam to 9/11. Everyone knows that 9/11 has been initiated by the former US CIA agent Osama Bin Laden and couple of Bush's family friends from Saudi Arabia.

[Linguist]

Originally posted by Raf1
do you have any idea what the Russians are doing in Chechnia??
For me a fucking army that uses tanks and rockets to wipe out entire villages and towns are even greater terrorists, because they don't even have the guts to risk their own lives. What the terrorists did to the russian children was unhuman, but Putin isn't only after the terrorists, he's after the entire nation. Most of them have nothing to do with any terrorist attacks.

After entire nation? Come on man. How do you feel about innocent Russian civilians living in Chechnya being killed and sold into slavery? This happened BEFORE the war was declared, mind you. No Russian person in their right mind would want to live there now.

They asked for the independence, they got it a few years back. Do you know what happened? They then decided that ALL muslim people should separate from Russia... even if those muslims were happy to live under Russia.
They didn't decide that using peaceful means either, like normal people would do. They went out and once again started robbing and killing people.

So the Russian government should just sit back and use diplomatic means? Christ.

Of course there are peaceful people everywhere, but get a dose of reality... thanks.

[just a punk]

Originally posted by alexg
true. that's why I said I wouldn't worry too much about Russia.

But now they're going to fight terrorism even more, which is good.

Actually I always thought that Israel could be the best friend/partner for Russia. Israeli people have a very good experience in fight against Islamic terrorism (at least much better than the USA has). My respect to Israel.

[just a punk]

Originally posted by Raf1
do you have any idea what the Russians are doing in Chechnia??
For me a fucking army that uses tanks and rockets to wipe out entire villages and towns are even greater terrorists, because they don't even have the guts to risk their own lives. What the terrorists did to the russian children was unhuman, but Putin isn't only after the terrorists, he's after the entire nation. Most of them have nothing to do with any terrorist attacks.

Seems you have no idea on what you are talking about...One more CNN-brainwashing-victim? So sad

[boobmaster]

Originally posted by CamChicks
Yes, Putin, an old-school soviet and former KGB spy, is now using terrorism as an excuse to sieze more power and repeal virtually all off the democratic advancement Russia had made since the Cold War ended.

You have a lot of fucking NERVE to use the word school in your little rant. After what those Islamic cocksuckers did to those innocent kids, they should be wiped out to the last fucking man.

RADICAL ISLAM MUST BE STOMPED OUT COMPLETELY FROM THE EARTH

[boobmaster]

Originally posted by Raf1
do you have any idea what the Russians are doing in Chechnia??
For me a fucking army that uses tanks and rockets to wipe out entire villages and towns are even greater terrorists, because they don't even have the guts to risk their own lives. What the terrorists did to the russian children was unhuman, but Putin isn't only after the terrorists, he's after the entire nation. Most of them have nothing to do with any terrorist attacks.

Chechnya is NOT a nation. It is part of Russia.

[Raf1]

Originally posted by Sjelefall
After entire nation? Come on man. How do you feel about innocent Russian civilians living in Chechnya being killed and sold into slavery? This happened BEFORE the war was declared, mind you. No Russian person in their right mind would want to live there now.

They asked for the independence, they got it a few years back. Do you know what happened? They then decided that ALL muslim people should separate from Russia... even if those muslims were happy to live under Russia.
They didn't decide that using peaceful means either, like normal people would do. They went out and once again started robbing and killing people.

So the Russian government should just sit back and use diplomatic means? Christ.

Of course there are peaceful people everywhere, but get a dose of reality... thanks.

where are you from? Have you ever lived in a communist country? Do you have any idea what communism did to all the soviet contries (not from tv, but real life)?
People like Putin are the cause of all that is happening now in Russia. These terrorists are the result of soviet politics. They are desperate people that the whole world forgot about... What they did recently was terribly wrong and I hope all those responsible will get killed, but as I said earlier, Putin is after the entire country and now he has an excuse to use all means possible.

[Raf1]

Originally posted by boobmaster
Chechnya is NOT a nation. It is part of Russia.

You are wrong

[Linguist]

Originally posted by Raf1
where are you from? Have you ever lived in a communist country? Do you have any idea what communism did to all the soviet contries (not from tv, but real life)?
People like Putin are the cause of all that is happening now in Russia. These terrorists are the result of soviet politics. They are desperate people that the whole world forgot about... What they did recently was terribly wrong and I hope all those responsible will get killed, but as I said earlier, Putin is after the entire country and now he has an excuse to use all means possible.

I'm originally from Ukraine and have seen this all first hand, thanks for asking.

From your quote above:
"These terrorists are the result of soviet politics. They are desperate people that the whole world forgot about"

You're wrong... desperate people? Fucking christ, they are nothing but robbers/murderers. They were given their independence, and look what happened.
So of course "Putin is after entire country" as they are murdering Russian people. He is supposed to sit and watch?
Putin wouldn't care if they lived peacefully and independently.

[Raf1]

Originally posted by Sjelefall
I'm originally from Ukraine and have seen this all first hand, thanks for asking.

From your quote above:
"These terrorists are the result of soviet politics. They are desperate people that the whole world forgot about"

You're wrong... desperate people? Fucking christ, they are nothing but robbers/murderers. They were given their independence, and look what happened.
So of course "Putin is after entire country" as they are murdering Russian people. He is supposed to sit and watch?
Putin wouldn't care if they lived peacefully and independently.

I agree with some of what you are saying. The terrorists that are responsible for the deaths of Russians are "robbers/murderers". However I can't agree with the fact that innocent Chechnian people will get killed because of them. What's pissing me off is that every attack on a country is being explained as a fight against terrorism. Just like the attack on Iraq...

[just a punk]

Originally posted by Raf1
where are you from? Have you ever lived in a communist country? Do you have any idea what communism did to all the soviet contries (not from tv, but real life)?

Hey dude, I have lived in the Communist country. Thus I have much better insight than you. The only thing I see is that YOU NEVER lived in the Communist country. So how could you ever try to speak about the things you don't know???

[Raf1]

Originally posted by cyberxxx
Hey dude, I have lived in the Communist country. Thus I have much better insight than you. The only thing I see is that YOU NEVER lived in the Communist country. So how could you ever try to speak about the things you don't know???

So have I, but I guess we have different memories...

[just a punk]

Originally posted by Raf1
You are wrong

No, you are wrong. Russia is a multi-nation and multi-religion country. I'll try to explain this to you... Everyone here head about those kids in Beslan that were killed by Chechen terrorists. But no one knows that whose kids were also no-Russian OSSETINS. FYI, Ossetins are Kavkazian people that much closer to Chechens than to "pure" Russians. However that was a tragedy for WHOLE RUSSIA. Many Russian SWAT soldiers were shot in the back when they were trying to shelter the children. Lots of then died saving the Ossetin kids. But there was NO EVEN A SINGLE RUSSIAN who considers that those solders were killed for nothing. I just wan to say, that EVERYONE who live in Russia (including Chechens) is considered Russian. In a same manner as all those Latin, African, Chinese and other people who live in the USA are considered Americans.

[Raf1]

and don't get me wrong, because I have nothing against Russians. I have many Russian friends. It's the politics I can't agree with.

[just a punk]

Originally posted by Raf1
So have I, but I guess we have different memories...

Where are you came from? Personally I was born in the USSR. So what's about you?

[Froey Twe]

its about time!

[Raf1]

Originally posted by cyberxxx
Where are you come from? Personally I was born in the USSR. So what's about you?

I was born in Poland. Another country that people like Putin would like to have as a russian republic...

[just a punk]

Originally posted by Raf1
I was born in Poland. Another country that people like Putin would like to have as a russian republic...

Don't get me wrong, but no one here will want to have Poland as a part of Russia... May be Putin want and he told you that, but the people have a different goals. Sorry but they have other things to do so I bet the new generation even don't know what Poland is and where is it located... Once again, nothing personal man.

[Raf1]

Originally posted by cyberxxx
Don't get me wrong, but no one here will want to have Poland as a part of Russia... May be Putin want and he told you that, but the people have a different goals. Sorry but they have other things to do so I bet the new generation even don't know what Poland is and where is it located... Once again, nothing personal man.

I think you missunderstood me. I'm refering to Putin as former KGB and communists that held our country for decades after ww2. I'm not talking about modern day russians. Are you saying Russians don't know where Poland is located?