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woj · 09-12-2004, 04:56 AM

50 stupid bets...

Jakke PNG · 09-12-2004, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
You're very, very wrong.

A simple example, flipping coins. 50% chance of heads, 3 repetitions:

The chance of getting heads 3 times in a row is:
0.5*0.5*0.5 = 0.125 (or 12.5%)

The probability of getting the same result many times in a row is very small, not because the chance of heads somehow decreases but because any single ordered set of results is just one of many.

The possible outcomes on flipping coins 3 times are:

h-h-h (the one I mentioned - heads 3 times)
h-h-t
h-t-h
h-t-t
t-h-h
t-h-t
t-t-h
t-t-t

Every order is as likely as the others. Heads - tails - heads is just as likely as the others (also a 0.5*0.5*0.5) chance.

Getting black on a roulette table 40 times in a row is extremely unlikely. Not more unlikely, though, than getting black-red-black-red-black-red-etcetera for 40 times. Or getting black 39 times in a row and then getting red.

yes.

Lykos · 09-12-2004, 05:06 AM

Damn,that's risky,good luck

Tipsy · 09-12-2004, 06:09 AM

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Originally posted by bluff
Sure, if you can calculate the spin etc, it might be profitable.

As you probably know that's been done and was a very, very clever bit of kit.

The problem is people want to believe there's 'systems' that work for games of chance. All the while they do people will happily feed them crap about how you can make 1000's and how the laws of probability can be ignored because their system really works. But then there's also penis pills that'll make your cock 6 inches longer :D

That said - there are systems that would work over a big enough period of time but unfortunately not in the real world. When the bets start getting into the $billions+ it gets a tad unrealistic

SomeCreep · 09-12-2004, 06:10 AM

so did it land on black?

Preacher · 09-12-2004, 06:14 AM

I hate gambling.... good luck to you though!

polish_aristocrat · 09-12-2004, 01:50 PM

Ok, looks I was wrong, so I admit it

At least I learned something new.

BTW DatingGold, did you really put $10k on black? Did you win?

Project-Shadow · 09-12-2004, 01:55 PM

So.. what happened?

Nicky · 09-12-2004, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
You're very, very wrong.

A simple example, flipping coins. 50% chance of heads, 3 repetitions:

The chance of getting heads 3 times in a row is:
0.5*0.5*0.5 = 0.125 (or 12.5%)

The probability of getting the same result many times in a row is very small, not because the chance of heads somehow decreases but because any single ordered set of results is just one of many.

The possible outcomes on flipping coins 3 times are:

h-h-h (the one I mentioned - heads 3 times)
h-h-t
h-t-h
h-t-t
t-h-h
t-h-t
t-t-h
t-t-t

Every order is as likely as the others. Heads - tails - heads is just as likely as the others (also a 0.5*0.5*0.5) chance.

Getting black on a roulette table 40 times in a row is extremely unlikely. Not more unlikely, though, than getting black-red-black-red-black-red-etcetera for 40 times. Or getting black 39 times in a row and then getting red.

also you must take in consideration that the probabilites change and get bigger for everytime the same color come up.

Platinumpimp · 09-12-2004, 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by Project-Shadow
So.. what happened?

He lost

Morgan · 09-12-2004, 02:18 PM

did he really lose it? that's a bummer.

Steen2 · 09-12-2004, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom
A roulette wheel isn't a random number generator. In fact, if you ask any mathematician or computer guru, they will tell you that there is no such thing as a random number generator, it's impossible. And the "ohh, it's hit black 10 times in a row, it'll hit red next" is a classic mistake of people who are new to roulette. If you don't believe me, consult any gambling book or avid gambler.

SmokeyTheBear · 09-12-2004, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by psyko514
he pays to have a bigger sig.

see sig rules

dig420 · 09-12-2004, 02:27 PM

if he won, he'd be back here by now

probably face down on the bed crying

dig420 · 09-12-2004, 02:30 PM

I used to play 9-ball for $$, but I rarely gambled. Risking your money in casinos just isn't worth it. If you hang around a pool hall for a while, you'll always find someone willing to bet 10k on a flip of a coin and your odds will be TRULY 50-50. It's a better way to go.

SmokeyTheBear · 09-12-2004, 02:31 PM

I will double or nothing the 10k you lost ...

Lensman will flip a coin and call the winner .. deal ??

TheWildcard · 09-12-2004, 02:34 PM

he won he's partying now

dig420 · 09-12-2004, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheWildcard
he won he's partying now

hope so

Shoehorn! · 09-12-2004, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
There are tons of random number generators. They're just all flawed to some degree... some more than others.

Why would I consult a gambling book when I just explained in detail how the idea that after 10 times red it will hit black is mathematically erroneous?

Alright, I am not going to argue with you, because you don't know what you are talking about. There is no such thing as a random number generator, and heres why, numbers are infinite, say you program software to generate a "random number", it would only be able to generate a number that is a certain length, or within a certain range. For example, generating numbers that have no decimal places isn't a random number, it's only generating whole numbers. 8974857347509349059203523423.823759823780947230570 92470985983470598703945690837409856730947560983749 08567309476982347895632948657893470985673940875609 83247908563740985670983470985673409867094257609824 750986790824576908754098679084357069827409856 is a numnber that would never be generated. Another example, in the 80s, a group of scientists tried computing the exact number for Pi, they had to quit after the they printed over 30 pages of the exact number. 30 fucking pages of numbers on 8.5x11 sheets of paper. So 3.320720957902375092959023487902379047092379047920 345 whatever times 30 pieces of paper, and counting. As for your second paragraph, you didn't explain anything in detail, and even if you did it wouldn't be right.

BradM · 09-12-2004, 02:58 PM

He's most likely passed out from getting so shitfaces because he lost that he will wake up in 2 days in a pool of his own fluids and then drive home.

Goose · 09-12-2004, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by abyss_al
good luck...i would put it on 00 on the table that hasnt gotten it yet

abyss: this butt in ur sig just rocks...

aflex · 09-12-2004, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Abyss_Vee
lol whatever u do,, dont play craps

why? craps is the best fucking game!

Ross · 09-12-2004, 04:14 PM

Did he win??

railz · 09-12-2004, 04:19 PM

I'll just toss my

here

Random numbers generated via a computer are not truely random. In fact, there was a news article on Slashdot that has got online casinos and poker rooms kinda worried - a group of researchers have developed a technique that can predict seeded random numbers from a PRNG.

The "P" in that acryonmn is very important, btw

railz · 09-12-2004, 04:20 PM

Oh, one more thing:

Red/Black is not a 50/50 bet in case you didn't know.

In Europe there's a single zero. In America (which uses a modified French Roulette wheel), you have zero and double zero.

Red/Black on an American wheel is one of the worst bets you can ever make in a casino.

WickedVenus · 09-12-2004, 04:23 PM

anyone know if he won or lost yet?

SkyRunner · 09-12-2004, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by railz
Oh, one more thing:

Red/Black is not a 50/50 bet in case you didn't know.

In Europe there's a single zero. In America (which uses a modified French Roulette wheel), you have zero and double zero.

Actually, there are a few casinos, that offer single-zero roulette also in America. The Stratosphere in Las Vegas for example. There are both versions but the last time I was there, there were more people playing the double-zero game (same betting conditions) than the single-zero game...

NoCarrier · 09-12-2004, 04:29 PM

WTF?! HE NEVER SAID IT WAS ROULETTE. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A BLACK TRANNY HE MET YESTERDAY. HE'S ASKING 10k FOR AN HOUR.

Tipsy · 09-12-2004, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SkyRunner
Actually, there are a few casinos, that offer single-zero roulette also in America. The Stratosphere in Las Vegas for example. There are both versions but the last time I was there, there were more people playing the double-zero game (same betting conditions) than the single-zero game...

It's a bit like the idiots splitting more than one chip - even worse the ones that split 4+ chips four ways. It should be very obvious, even to those a little simple, that the odds are FAR better sticking to single numbers. The only time you should split is if table stakes are so high that you don't want to bet a whole chip on a single number.

You can't win long term at roulette so you may as well at least give yourself a fighting chance of making a profit now and again.

railz · 09-12-2004, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SkyRunner
Actually, there are a few casinos, that offer single-zero roulette also in America. The Stratosphere in Las Vegas for example. There are both versions but the last time I was there, there were more people playing the double-zero game (same betting conditions) than the single-zero game...

hehehehe

I honestly can't stand to even put buck on roulette now having dealt it. I'd rather put that dollar in a slot (and that's saying something for me).

Living For Today · 09-12-2004, 06:12 PM

Are the odds on american tables 37-1 or higher considering there is 2 green numbers.

Dagwolf · 09-12-2004, 06:17 PM

Shit, I guess he didn't win.

If anyone else wants 50/50 odds on a $10k bet... give it to me, and I'll give you back half, guaranteed!

BrainDead · 09-12-2004, 07:24 PM

well in that case no carrier he deserves more than just a goodluck

Theo · 09-12-2004, 07:46 PM

My ex.partner owned a casino games developing company, so I didn't talk all air that possibilities are not 50/50. Don't be fooled that online casino give you fair chances. None of them does.

As far the monthly reviews by PwC and similar companies....they don't mean shit in reality. PricewaterhouseCoopers for example is getting paid 15k+ each year to review and sign the accounting books of many types of companies. Does this mean these companies are 100% ok towards the tax laws? No.

railz · 09-12-2004, 07:49 PM

Any form of online gambling is fatally flawed (for the punter) for one reason and one reason only.

PRNG

wesbob2k4 · 09-12-2004, 07:56 PM

why gamble? Spend it on booz and pot. At least your gettin something from your money. Both are gunna be gone when your finished!

Theo · 09-12-2004, 08:00 PM

I have heard also that every offline roulette gives a certain number more frequently than the rest. If you record 10,000 spins you will notice that. Do 90,000 more spins and you'll see the number is the same. The frequency of apperance is a bit higher than the rest, very small %,but still important.

railz · 09-12-2004, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
I have heard also that every offline roulette gives a certain number more frequently than the rest. If you record 10,000 spins you will notice that. Do 90,000 more spins and you'll see the number is the same. The frequency of apperance is a bit higher than the rest, very small %,but still important.

When I was dealing, we were taught how to aim for certain sections of the wheel (in the UK, we allow all the French place bets such as the Teir) depending on how the layout is covered.

I never could quite get the hang of it but I know dealers who can hit a section with great ease.

zentz · 09-12-2004, 08:29 PM

i would put 100 by 100 to zero green

psyko514 · 09-12-2004, 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom
Apparantly you guys don't know much about Roulette. It is not uncommon for a Roulette wheel to hit the same color dozens of times in a row. Ask anyone who plays the game often. Not only that, you don't have a 50/50 chance of hitting red or black, because there are two green spots, 0 and 00.

like punkworld, i was giving examples. notice i used the conditional "if".

psyko514 · 09-12-2004, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
see sig rules

you're not getting it. DG made a special deal with Lens regarding having his sig that large.

if you want to go by the sig rules, our sigs are too big.

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Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	I have heard also that every offline roulette gives a certain number more frequently than the rest. If you record 10,000 spins you will notice that. Do 90,000 more spins and you'll see the number is the same. The frequency of apperance is a bit higher than the rest, very small %,but still important.

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