i skimmed through it ill read it all when i wake up loll

How come your initial post makes a leap right from things like TGPing etc to "spamming"? It's like saying "I'm not making enough money working 40 hours a week, so I think I'll try bank robbing, what do you guys think?"

You skipped the most obvious answer of perfectly legal and legitimate email marketing.

The line between marketing and spamming is VERY oddly blurred here, right in the heart of the industry. It's very very strange to see such a misconception by the supposed experts.. very very strange indeed.

People do know that email marketing isn't automatically "spam", don't they? One is legal, the other is not. The differences are super clear. No fake headers, no spoofed IP's, physical address and phone number and functioning opt-out link. The sexually-explicit tag if your email contains such images. All simple for a legimate business to have in place.

So why jump to the illegal way before trying the right way?

Simple damn question.

juicy? lists? u? me? cyber?

Actually I did a number of things. TGP's, galleries for a short while, SEO for quite a while and than I met a friend. I don't know if I classify it illegal, but I was offered to learn the tricks of the trade from a guy in the know and for free so I did just that.

In my own experience, simply offering people trust, reliability and a helping hand when they need one works wonders.

It says a lot indeed.

The problem is that people do not see "VALUES" as something important anymore. Money come first to anything and everything.

While there are few others with ethical considerations like you and well defined limits like myself, the great-vast majority of people, would not even think for a second before doing something to make a buck in spite of going against their values and beliefs. Given of course, they have any at all.

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Well if it complies with the can-spam law, then it's not "spam" :) It's email marketing.

Chat services are another thing. No clue, wouldnt' touch it, period.

To answer the thread though, I would not spam, but I would email market like a mother fucker. Nothing, and I mean nothing wrong with it if done right.

You may run into host problems though, because some upstream providers dont care if you comply with every law on the books. Once they get complaints, they'll threaten your host and your host has no choice but to stop it. That (to me) is the real problem with these laws. They make it incumbent upon the complainer to attempt to opt out (which is as it should be!) but the people in control of the bandwidth aren't held to it whatsoever. If they say "jump" then your host has to jump.

if you say that spamming doesn't require any real efforts then YOU HAVE NO IDEA of what you are talking about,
in the old days - maybe, but definately not now,

to get decent money from spamming you need to invest A LOT first, you need to be smart and put lots of effort into it
(decent money ~ 6 figs/mo)

Spam sux:glugglug

man u must hit me up, im doing less thant 6figs

spamming is bullshit, i would never do it.

i thought about putting together double opt in/4 free type programs but it would be too much hassle for me so i said fuck it.

no one here can start mailing if you new to it or never done it before, even if i give you free proxies/hosting you still will fail (99% of people will), so just move on and stick to submiting galleries heh

spaming is bullshit ? you telling me you wouldn't spam if you could pull $500-1000 per day ?

SPAM SUCK HARD TIME!

If you want to do it do it - if you don't want to do it don't do it but don't be a hypocrite by telling everybody you are a spammer but making anti spam statements all the time. :2 cents:

I get a few spam mails every day and I don't care, I also don't care about those retards who catch spyware/search bars/whatever but can't remove them.Fucking over some morons internet experience?Who cares, the net wasn't made for those people.

spamming = most profitable business for us programmers :)

A. you can sell your software for a high price

B. you keep your software private and make all teh monies yourself

only limits is imagination

so my answer is yes of course id do it, anyone who needs a programmer do put their ideas to life.. im your guy :winkwink:

Just for general information, www.AdminShop.com is run by both Odin and myself in a partnership, and the ICQ number provided on that site is mine, not his. Odin's ICQ is 344709237.

A bunch of people contacted me on ICQ believing I am Odin, so I felt I had to mention this.

You guys are selling a hitbot? :eek7

Huh?Ref spammer isn't a hitbot.

Seems like it could rather easily be used as one...

A lot of tools "could rather easily" be used for something malicious. A chainsaw could be used to slaughter masses of people. A peer-to-peer program could be used to distribute or download CP. A screwdriver could be used to stab someone in the neck.

I don't see the possibility to add any proxies on the screenshot, any trading script would filter that out. :2 cents:

This is something you can setup using Big Hip. You can run 1$ per join sites providing you have the affiliate program. Big Hip then posts the confirm back. All this can be setup in less then 1 hour.

So it's a hitbot for blogs that don't use trade scripts and such. Still pretty shady in my opinion.

Actually, in this case it isn't a matter of "could be used as", but "is". It's a hitbot that's meant to make a feature of sites completely useless and make people's stats completely unreliable. :321GFY

I don't do it but why do you care?No harm done and a free PR for you if everything works out.It has nothing to do with hitbot cheating it just spams your ref into the site logs.

Sure it does harm. It fucks with people's stats, and serves as a hitbot for those blogs which post their refs on their main page. Aside from that, it's meant as a black hat se technique.

It's the same as blogspamming, guestbookspamming, IM-spamming, etc. Just one more thing to make the internet just that little bit worse of a place for users.

Welcome to what this thread is all about. But the question is not whether it is bad for users (although some have debated its effects) the question is would you do it? The answer for you seems no, but I had about 5 people hit me up on ICQ with regards to this thread, and Monkey (as he mentioned) had people hit him up mistakenly too). Here is an example of what they said:

"i read your thread about spam and i must say im very interested and always thought about doing it. I got your icq# from rep monkey. Would it be possible to talk sometime about this? If so let me know a time,thanks."

I am not going to teach them shit. If I was goign to teach anyone I would teach my own brother or friend. I have nothing to gain from teaching them, but I find it interesting that so many people are willing to jump on board to fuck users around so as to make some extra coin.

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I do the occasional cell phone spamming. I have a residual list of over 300,000 cell phone numbers from an unnamed company. I use their website to send one by one :Graucho :Graucho Works wonders.

oh...static IP :Graucho

lets just say trhat im guilty sometimes

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You are right the spam is a big cost for all the internet community, Stop spamming , and only sending to your opt-in list and use other way to reach a more quality traffic.. and dont waste the time of millions people ..and scary people about the internet.

no i dont but if it was legal,yes i would. in a heartbeat :pimp

Thread is four months old. :winkwink:

Spamming is wrong.

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well i think that it could be a way to increase you members and would generate sales but in the end they all die and new ones have to be built and the compaines are coming up with elaborate ways of keeping spam out so it is always an up hill battle

Your next lame anti excuse will be:

Spammers dont pay to send emails while a real marketing company need a liscense and pay US Post to send their shit.

Classic ;)

spam is alright, as long as it doesn't come in cans