What kind of spamming do you do than? Chatroom spamming? I hope your not spamming kids with porn. When you said you were doing $300 per million, I thought it must be e-mail spam.

if you know what you are doing
definitly a big yes

No problem.

And Veri, no I don't spam kids with porn. The $300 per million comment was regards to email spam. However that was only to answer a question from quite. With regards to what I market in spam now it isn't ever porn unless targetted directly at an adult audience.

The real fuck over is those pre checked cross sales.
Spam is more annoying shit and affecting your privacy while those cross sales is pure ripping off system.

I hate it even more then dialers.

I would hate to see that practice be the basis for a VISA/MC decision to force 3d party processors to start emailing subscribers before they get rebilled.

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yeah, that's one thing i still have trouble wrapping my head around. just seems like such a blatant scam. but it is completely accepted (much more so than spam)... shrug.

I really would like to see the direct link to cancelation there as well!

Those scammers spend the money on GFY skins after it and call themselves marketing ingeneers lol .. :Buck:

It really is.. the more corners you cut or the more unethical you are willing to be.. the easier it is to make a buck in this industry.

Spamming is probably the worst form of destruction of capital online.

I believe the average person who works with computers spends about 5 minutes a day looking through and deleting spam. Now, that doesn't seem like a lot, does it?

Let's say there are about 50 million people in the US working with computers (a fairly realistic, maybe even low estimate). In that case, spam costs ~4.2 million work hours a day. At an average of $15 per hour, that's $62,500,000 per day.
Assuming an average of a 5 day work week and 48 weeks of work a year, email spamming adds up to an economic damage of about $15 billion a year in the US alone.

And that's just a small part of the damage spam does. It also has direct effects like diminished consumer trust regarding the internet, actually scaring people away from the internet, etc. The internet as a business tool has been greatly damaged by spam and crap like it.

50 spammers

LOL

While your figures probably work out to be about right that argument could be made for anything. I mean I could make the following list on the same scale:


Re-tying of shoes costs an average of $16,200,000 per day.
People wiping their ass costs and average of $33,700,000 per day.
Flirting in the office costs an average of $223,500,000 per day.

I haven't seen any organizations dedicated to ridding the world of shoestrings that I can recall.

haha, agreed. and i don't even like spam...

There is one big difference: spam costs time when people are working. It's actual work-time, people don't do it during (actual or self-appointed) breaks, and it is perceived as work... and rightly so.

Spam doesn't cause more inefficiency in workers, it raises the workload. The difference between the two is rather essential...

people also surf porn while they should be working. in fact, it's an epidemic problem in many large companies. these people should be working. productivity quickly going to shit!

I don't think the internet has much to do with the lack of productivity in workers. If workers are not constantly watched, they'll generally only spend 50-75% of the time working, and they'll just waste the rest of the time any way they can. Could be talking with co-workers, playing solitaire on the computer, staring out the window, staring at some secretary's boobs - the "how" isn't all that important.

What that phenomenon does do is make the time they do spend working even more valuable :2 cents:

there is no money in spam

move on :)

lol, spam in different forms can be ok... I never did get into email spam, some people convert well with it but the way they do it requires a lot of effort to keep it working right... The actual funny thing is when a sponsors legit email gets put in the spam folder, thats the part that always makes me laugh.

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you are serious 2, sad

so true.....

i can deal with spam untill time stands still, its the spyware thats the killer.

its not me who gets it, like most of you guys, i know how to avoid it. its the other people in my life that know ive got a job on a computer who natrually think im mr fix it. 90% of there problems are spy ware. i went over to my girls mothers house and ran adware, she had over 80k diff kinds of spyware on her computer.

I think spam is not great in itself, but that is basically one of my points from earlier. EVERY persons house I go to and go on their computer they are infested with junk EVERYWHERE. I literally can not understand how they would even bother turning their computer on. They can't navigate the net, there is annoying flashing search bars, popups every few secnds, etc etc.

But regardless of the difference between the two, spam and spyware is fucking other people over for the purpose of simply making yourself money, and no matter what people say a good 90% would jump on a spyware deal if they thought it would make them enough cash (same with spam - except that is possibly closer to 100%). Being poor sucks, building TGP's all day and making fuck all sucks too. I guess that is what makes these options so enticing, but where does it stop.

spammings in my blood like a flood it succumbs me
numbs me
to the rest of the world
everytime i try to get away
the next day it comes callin
ytcracker, start ballin

- ytcracker, "hotel game"

jesus is/was the greatest spammer of all time
spam is holy
www.livejournal.com/~bkofspam

do the means getting to the end justify themself?

ethics wont help your mortgage payments
ethics car wont help your car payments

that being said. EVERYONE SPAMS SOMETHING

they spam sigs
they spam links
they spam emails

But there is a difference in saying that. How can the means justify the end? You are screwing around other people in order to justify your end. It is a leader of a nation invading another nation and killing people to make himself rich - do the means justify the end? On the other hand if he invaded that nation in order to truly help the people out and ultimately save that nation, than that is a different story. Just more food for thought, and no that example has nothing to do with Bush.

are u really screwing ppl over?
id like to think that selling them dreams is something good.
who knows, maybe the placebo effect will happen.

besides.. lookin at porn is not screwing around other ppl. thats the job of bad pornsites with heavy xsales.

It depends really. I am not trying to dramatise what it is, but I am suggesting that it isn't a nice was to earn a living. I mean if you are spamming Joe's Environmental Yahoogroup, yeah you're screwing people around.

You know, in this day and age, people need to look up for themselves. So many ethical considerations will only slow you down. While you care about others, others do not give a flying fuck and hardly appreciatte it.

I draw a line here:

1.- I do not do to others, what I do not want others do onto me.

2.- I respect the law.

Other than that I will use any means possible to achieve my goal. Once I started to see things this way, my decisions are very eeeeaaaasy.

I care only about me, my family, friends, and close business associates. The rest can go fuck and take care of themselves.

My only concern with spam is that I would not like my children to receive sick stuff or any kind of porn in their email. So I do not do it.

You know, I am with you. But still, doesn't that say something for our society and humanity as a whole?

good post

That's the funniest excuse for scamming I've ever seen. It's also one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.

No, it doesn't. It says something about the people who actually adhere to such standards, namely that they are not to be trusted.

Well he was a bit harsh with regards to his 'fuck everyone except my family', but other than that you better watch your back. I guarantee you couldn't trust 95% of GFY (based on your assumptions) if they where given a chance.

to each their own.

im sorry, how do u sell porn again? u never offered surfers something that is unrealistic to them?

I doubt that. I believe I am not the only person here who would never deliberately screw someone over.

professional mass email marketing is fun

I offer surfers access to porn sites, and use marketing talk that promotes the product but doesn't scam surfers.

I was specifically referring to the comment about the placebo effect you made though... that implicates selling stuff of which you know that it doesn't work.

Yeah, that is why I said 95% and not 100%. Do you honestly think a GFYer would turn down something that can earn them $XXX's a day without any real effort? You think too highly of people if you do. Personally, if you take such a product to someone who works a regular job, I think the ONLY real question you would receive from a good 80% of them when you offer it to them is "Is it legal?" Perhaps I think too poorly of people, but from my interaction with general working class folk, I know they'd all jump on it. Sad perhaps, but true.

Good words from Juicy himself. I can't be wrong :winkwink: