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Old 08-30-2004, 11:51 AM   #1
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A less than original Rant by Platinum Ellise

So I have been losing sleep. Not because of anything really traumatizing but I am just royally frustrated at seeing how some people choose to be....

Here is my problem... I don't like people that go back on their word. I hated it when I was a kid, I hated in high school and I have discovered a whole new dislike for it here in the working world.

When my father did business years ago in Europe it was all done on a handshake and a verbal agreement. None of those men ever broke their word to my father, nor did my father to them. They are still working off of that same hand shake from 26 years ago.

I think it is sad that in this day and age lengthy agreements with every possible loophole covered need to be put together before we can proceed and even then they are not always solid or binding.

So what is my message? My point to this lil' tirade?

If you make a deal with someone verbally or on paper follow it through to the best of your ability. If you are unable to because of changed circumstances sit with the person you made the deal with and try to work around it. Don't make a rash decision that benefits only you at that moment in time. It will come back to bite you in the ass. Particulary in this industry where your business associates are in many cases also your close friends.

Have the backbone to stand by your word and the courage of your convictions and you will always succeed. When you look out only for number one....as important as that is... there are often natural and logical consequences to that decision.

Okay I am done. And I feel better. Thank you.
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Old 08-30-2004, 11:53 AM   #2
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I told you that url got banned on Google. I'm working on it! hehehe. Hope you feel better soon Ellisa!

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i could not agree more with you, i hate it when people don't live up to the their word....then what is worse is when they ignore you and the problem..
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LoL Charlie you are too funny... it is of course not that that has upset me. You followed through with it and let me know what was up!
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Old 08-30-2004, 11:54 AM   #5
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oh boy...I knew I was supposed to do something today!!

Hope your day is going well!!

and yes you are so right Ellisa. Nothing worse than spending time with someone on a deal and then having them not follow through with it or take FOREVER getting it done!!
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i could not agree more with you, i hate it when people don't live up to the their word....then what is worse is when they ignore you and the problem..
Or worse yet in order to feel better about their poor handling of the situation they convince themselves it is your fault LOL
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LoL Charlie you are too funny... it is of course not that that has upset me. You followed through with it and let me know what was up!
I know you weren't referring to me, I just thought I'd add a little humour to brighten up your day

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"I only got two things in this world, my balls and my word, and I dont break em for nobody" - Tony Montana
I would steal that and put it in my sig but I have no balls

But that is a great quotation!
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Is this about our "said" dinner date?




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"I only got two things in this world, my balls and my word, and I dont break em for nobody" - Tony Montana
that's a quote pretty much nobody respect in the modern society ...
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Feel better!!!
LoL Yes! I can't believe you just didn't show up! ;)

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Was it me? I was pretty buzzed that night in Miami...hope I didn't say things I forgot to follow up on!
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Being old, I sometimes forget to do stuff so IF I've forgotten anything, Ellisa, LMK!!

If not, then I'm glad it's not me and hope your Monday gets better!!
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In what industry your father was doing business through verbal agreements and he never had problem? I would consider him very lucky.
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Was it me? I was pretty buzzed that night in Miami...hope I didn't say things I forgot to follow up on!
No lovely it was not you although I am adding you to my ICQ so authorize me.

I would like to set up some stuff that I can hold you to later hehehe

Thanks again for the Martinis though they were delish!
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Probably not related to me, but backing out of my interview today probably didn't make you feel better...sorry
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Allright. FIne. Ellisa, yes, I will be your girlfirend. Happy now?
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alright fine ellisa ill take the vid of you and jen .. happy now
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Elllisssaa!!! I lub youuu!

When you coming down again hun? We still need to meet up for dinner.
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In what industry your father was doing business through verbal agreements and he never had problem? I would consider him very lucky.

That particular deal referred to the rights to distribute a product to prevent black ice from forming on the roads for all of the US and Canada.

You are right he was lucky I just think it is funny how 30 odd years ago my dad took that chance, but if you asked him to do the same tomorrow I know he would want it all on paper just because of the way things are now.

Sort of an inevitable transition I guess...but still sorta sad.
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i would think any business was like that then because things were different and people where also
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Probably not related to me, but backing out of my interview today probably didn't make you feel better...sorry

I hadn't even put you on my hit list that is so minute by comparison .... but I do have your address so you may wanna sleep with one eye open in case I decide to add you LOL j/k

No worries and best of luck with your new project sounds interesting!
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Its really sad how things are twice I trusted someone in this business doing a lot of work for them with one I managed to get most my money but it took a long time and a lot of hassle second time never saw a dime.
Learned my lesson and don´t trust anyone no matter who they are.
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LoL that helps
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I hadn't even put you on my hit list that is so minute by comparison .... but I do have your address so you may wanna sleep with one eye open in case I decide to add you LOL j/k

No worries and best of luck with your new project sounds interesting!
It's too bad I no longer live at that address. And my number is changing soon too, but I can give you my new one if you want
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well i trust the people who work for me because i watched them a long time to make sure of who they where and as a result ive a very strong team of dependable people working for me on forumsManager.com and my other main site babesandstuff.com
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When you coming down again hun? We still need to meet up for dinner.

Thanks for the warm fuzzy! I will be down again very soon maybe the end of September. I will keep you posted!
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So I have been losing sleep. Not because of anything really traumatizing but I am just royally frustrated at seeing how some people choose to be....

Here is my problem... I don't like people that go back on their word. I hated it when I was a kid, I hated in high school and I have discovered a whole new dislike for it here in the working world.

When my father did business years ago in Europe it was all done on a handshake and a verbal agreement. None of those men ever broke their word to my father, nor did my father to them. They are still working off of that same hand shake from 26 years ago.

I think it is sad that in this day and age lengthy agreements with every possible loophole covered need to be put together before we can proceed and even then they are not always solid or binding.

So what is my message? My point to this lil' tirade?

If you make a deal with someone verbally or on paper follow it through to the best of your ability. If you are unable to because of changed circumstances sit with the person you made the deal with and try to work around it. Don't make a rash decision that benefits only you at that moment in time. It will come back to bite you in the ass. Particulary in this industry where your business associates are in many cases also your close friends.

Have the backbone to stand by your word and the courage of your convictions and you will always succeed. When you look out only for number one....as important as that is... there are often natural and logical consequences to that decision.

Okay I am done. And I feel better. Thank you.

darling you freakin rawk! i totally agree with you, i hate it when peeps go back on there word or dont follow through. (especially with no updates and just disappear)
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Alright Ellisa, I'll send traffic to Moms Need Cash and Reality Porn Pass. BTW Great work on those sites good job.

And feel better, unfortunately the world has changed, people do go back on their word, except for people like Tony Montana, usually if they promise they will kill you or hurt you in some way it will happen. If people's business relied on their word, there would be many out of business and stocks would be tanking.

As I have posted here before the 5 business rules

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There and I am sure some GFYers could concur my rules!

Take Care Ellisa, Ill send some puggy love to you from the Monty!
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No it was tentative but I will be there next month at some point for sure and again in October so we will have a chance to chill soon!
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You were not the target of my distress but now that you mention it.....
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Old 08-30-2004, 01:19 PM   #47
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I find that a lot of the people I have verbal agreements with eventually come around.

Most of the time it's because they don't remember everything and need to be reminded what they promised.

One of the down sides of mixing business with pleasure.
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Old 08-30-2004, 01:21 PM   #48
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i was just talking about the same thing with an IM buddy, last vegas I got an end of the meeting hug and hand pump(non sexual) with this program owner saying he was so glad we are doing business, and said contact $%%^ then right after the show, it was like dodge city ghost town. no replies, online ICQ but no responses. i felt like an x-girlfriend stalking them for a week before i gave up. funny, kinda. ok not at all funny and more like suck.

Call me.
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Old 08-30-2004, 01:28 PM   #49
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Your are so right Ellisa- it seems people like to lie and cheat there way to the top. It is especially frustrating when people do that in the guise of friendship and co-operation - when all they are looking out for is themselves. This will help them in the short run - but the main thing is that these people are inevitably figured out - They tarnish their own reputation without the need for anyone elses involvement. Well at least that is what I hope - Karma is a funny thing - and it has a way of sneaking up on people. We are all faced with people who are inconsiderate, self involved, and detrimental to everyone around them. But like any other parasite - they usually have short life spans.
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Old 08-30-2004, 01:31 PM   #50
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Your are so right Ellisa- it seems people like to lie and cheat there way to the top. It is especially frustrating when people do that in the guise of friendship and co-operation - when all they are looking out for is themselves. This will help them in the short run - but the main thing is that these people are inevitably figured out - They tarnish their own reputation without the need for anyone elses involvement. Well at least that is what I hope - Karma is a funny thing - and it has a way of sneaking up on people. We are all faced with people who are inconsiderate, self involved, and detrimental to everyone around them. But like any other parasite - they usually have short life spans.
YOU STOLE THE WORDS FROM OUTTA MY MOUTH....
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