How well do you retain? - GoFuckYourself.com

Shap · 08-28-2004, 05:41 PM

Hi guys. I've always wondered what is good retention from month 1 to month 2 on non trial sites. We charge $19.95 and retain 43% of our members from initial signup to month 2 (we have no trials). Our retention has been between 41% and 43% month in and month out for 3 years now. What about you guys? Quiet how is yours?

johndoebob · 08-28-2004, 05:46 PM

How much chargeback percents do you have and within what kind of time period?The chargebacks at my rev share sponsors are mostly made within a week.

Shap · 08-28-2004, 05:48 PM

Our chargeback ratio is currently 0.19% No wonder ibill was so nice to us

Paraskass · 08-28-2004, 05:52 PM

I retain not bad.
Normally I have to piss once or twice a day.

Maybe 3.

bigdog · 08-28-2004, 06:00 PM

what is your average conversion with tgp with the monthly membership?

Shap · 08-28-2004, 06:03 PM

For the last three months our hosted galleries have converted at 1:540. I really don't know if that is good or bad. I've always heard people claim to convert 1:70 or 1:250 or whatever. Ours is 1:540 and that is on actual hits sent (not counting 2nd page in etc).

bigdog · 08-28-2004, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by shap
For the last three months our hosted galleries have converted at 1:540. I really don't know if that is good or bad. I've always heard people claim to convert 1:70 or 1:250 or whatever. Ours is 1:540 and that is on actual hits sent (not counting 2nd page in etc).

i would think thats not bad since you hosted galleries proably have a higher then average clickthrough

Shap · 08-28-2004, 06:08 PM

I hope it's good. We usually spend alot of time on our galleries. Instead of pounding out gallery after gallery that doesn't convert we take the time to make sure each and every gallery is fine tuned to convert like crazy. Every detail counts, the wording on the gallery, the thumbnails, the image selection etc.

johndoebob · 08-28-2004, 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by shap
For the last three months our hosted galleries have converted at 1:540. I really don't know if that is good or bad. I've always heard people claim to convert 1:70 or 1:250 or whatever. Ours is 1:540 and that is on actual hits sent (not counting 2nd page in etc).

1:70 is only possible through 2nd page hits, luck on less traffic or simply a lie.Also many sponsors count only half of the clicks or less and you never know whats really counted. 1:540 is totally ok, with ccBill you can get easily over 1:1000.

Doctor Dre · 08-28-2004, 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by shap
For the last three months our hosted galleries have converted at 1:540. I really don't know if that is good or bad. I've always heard people claim to convert 1:70 or 1:250 or whatever. Ours is 1:540 and that is on actual hits sent (not counting 2nd page in etc).

That's not bad since it's hosted galleries ... you should checkout braincash's hosted galleries they kickass ... very good example

bigdog · 08-28-2004, 06:39 PM

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Originally posted by shap
I hope it's good. We usually spend alot of time on our galleries. Instead of pounding out gallery after gallery that doesn't convert we take the time to make sure each and every gallery is fine tuned to convert like crazy. Every detail counts, the wording on the gallery, the thumbnails, the image selection etc.

It's sad most sponsor don't do that. Most of the sponsor hosted galleries look like shit

Shap · 08-28-2004, 06:47 PM

It's the common Quantity over Quality mindset. It's surprising because it is your one chance to grab the surfer's attention. Why waste it with an ugly gallery that has terrible thumbs?

magnatique · 08-28-2004, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by Doctor Dre
That's not bad since it's hosted galleries ... you should checkout braincash's hosted galleries they kickass ... very good example

Shap doesn't need to check other people's galleries, in fact, not to take anything away from braincash (they rock) but they probably took some tips from shap's galleries over the years LOL

he the king ;)

Shap · 08-28-2004, 08:35 PM

Thanks Bro

Tala · 08-28-2004, 08:37 PM

I retain like a bitch...but so does the Hoover dam.

J.R. · 08-28-2004, 08:38 PM

Shap..

we are about the same, up and down at times
but very consistent.

bigdog · 08-28-2004, 09:21 PM

Shap have you tried charging $29.99 to see if it affects conversions?

SixNine · 08-28-2004, 09:26 PM

Shap,
Speaking of retain...
Do you still run sexape.com?

I was digging through all of our returned
checks and... you might want to get in touch with me regarding an incorrect address.

SixNine

Shap · 08-28-2004, 09:31 PM

Hey dude. Yep that's us. How do i contact you?

Steve · 08-28-2004, 09:38 PM

Shap's stuff rocks. I have GOT to get your stuff into the new perm database ASAP.

The man knows how to sell on galleries. His hosted stuff is top notch.

Shap · 08-28-2004, 09:39 PM

Thanks Steve ;)

Hey Sixnine I just checked you are right, the second line of our address is missing. I'm going to drop you an email tomorrow to get this fixed.

Shap · 08-29-2004, 01:12 PM

I'm surprised that not more people responded to this. Everybody is willing to post their affiliates #s but not their retention.

TheWildcard · 08-29-2004, 01:13 PM

FlyingIguana · 08-29-2004, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shap
For the last three months our hosted galleries have converted at 1:540. I really don't know if that is good or bad. I've always heard people claim to convert 1:70 or 1:250 or whatever. Ours is 1:540 and that is on actual hits sent (not counting 2nd page in etc).

1:500 is about avg, but it depends on ctr. so what really matters is sign ups per gallery impressions.

FlyingIguana · 08-29-2004, 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by shap
I'm surprised that not more people responded to this. Everybody is willing to post their affiliates #s but not their retention.

because most sites suck or charge too much, so their retention is horrible

Shap · 08-29-2004, 01:27 PM

I agree 100%. That is a number I watch closely. Our click thru around 3% and our sales per hits to the gallery is 1 sale per 17,000 hits to the gallery.

vitty · 08-29-2004, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by Paraskass
I retain not bad.
Normally I have to piss once or twice a day.

Maybe 3.

I have something like that

exposed · 08-29-2004, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by shap
Our chargeback ratio is currently 0.19% No wonder ibill was so nice to us

FlyingIguana · 08-29-2004, 01:31 PM

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Originally posted by shap
I agree 100%. That is a number I watch closely. Our click thru around 3% and our sales per hits to the gallery is 1 sale per 17,000 hits to the gallery.

thats a good number, under 1:25k is above avg with under 1:5k being cash cow.

Shap · 08-29-2004, 01:36 PM

Yeah I hear you FlyingIguana. Our site isn't geared to bang out sales like some "reality" sites. We try to give our surfers a taste of what they'll get inside. That way once they join they are happy and stay a member for an extended period. Making webmasters money long after they've sent the sale. Another bonus is having a member's area that has more than 200 gigs of content and growing daily. Good luck to any surfer trying to download our entire collection

Shap · 08-29-2004, 01:40 PM

For those wondering why I'd post our retention and conversion numbers here's your answer. Whether our numbers are good or bad we are always upfront with our webmasters and surfers. We are honest with everything we do and feel that by letting people know what to expect we attract the type of webmasters that we want as part of Twistyscash

Sassy Girl · 08-29-2004, 02:00 PM

I retain like mad around that time of the month.

Shap · 08-30-2004, 07:40 AM

Looks like retain may have been the wrong word to use in the title.

slapass · 08-30-2004, 08:09 AM

Shap, this type of thread is good for business. Thanks for sharing. It caused me to look at myu stats with you. I sent one sale on a few hundred clicks but guess what.... I have 6 rebills. Makes a guy think he needs to send more sales as last month was exactly the same.

Basic_man · 08-30-2004, 08:15 AM

Thanks for starting this thread

Shap · 08-30-2004, 09:04 AM

Good To Hear Slapass. We are going to be sending out an email today and tomorrow. It's going to be good

08-28-2004, 05:41 PM	#1
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	How well do you retain? Hi guys. I've always wondered what is good retention from month 1 to month 2 on non trial sites. We charge $19.95 and retain 43% of our members from initial signup to month 2 (we have no trials). Our retention has been between 41% and 43% month in and month out for 3 years now. What about you guys? Quiet how is yours?

08-28-2004, 05:46 PM	#2
johndoebob Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,405	How much chargeback percents do you have and within what kind of time period?The chargebacks at my rev share sponsors are mostly made within a week. __________________

08-28-2004, 05:52 PM	#4
Paraskass Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: QC Posts: 5,829	I retain not bad. Normally I have to piss once or twice a day. Maybe 3. __________________

08-28-2004, 06:08 PM	#8
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	I hope it's good. We usually spend alot of time on our galleries. Instead of pounding out gallery after gallery that doesn't convert we take the time to make sure each and every gallery is fine tuned to convert like crazy. Every detail counts, the wording on the gallery, the thumbnails, the image selection etc. Last edited by Shap; 08-28-2004 at 06:09 PM..

08-28-2004, 08:37 PM	#15
Tala Fucked if I know Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Do you have a flag? Posts: 23,368	I retain like a bitch...but so does the Hoover dam. __________________ ICQ: 11120676 \| Google: mindcrime \| Skype: suitemindcrime\|E-Mail: mindcrime AT gmail.com\|PR girl with great writing skills for hire!!!! Contact me to work for YOU!\|TECHIEMEDIA? 24/7 support from some of the best techs in the biz. Tell Jim that I sent you.

08-28-2004, 05:48 PM	#3
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Our chargeback ratio is currently 0.19% No wonder ibill was so nice to us

08-28-2004, 06:00 PM	#5
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	what is your average conversion with tgp with the monthly membership?

08-28-2004, 06:03 PM	#6
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	For the last three months our hosted galleries have converted at 1:540. I really don't know if that is good or bad. I've always heard people claim to convert 1:70 or 1:250 or whatever. Ours is 1:540 and that is on actual hits sent (not counting 2nd page in etc).

08-28-2004, 06:47 PM	#12
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	It's the common Quantity over Quality mindset. It's surprising because it is your one chance to grab the surfer's attention. Why waste it with an ugly gallery that has terrible thumbs?

08-28-2004, 08:35 PM	#14
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Thanks Bro

08-28-2004, 08:38 PM	#16
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	Shap.. we are about the same, up and down at times but very consistent.

08-28-2004, 09:21 PM	#17
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	Shap have you tried charging $29.99 to see if it affects conversions?

08-28-2004, 09:26 PM	#18
SixNine Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Sea Town Posts: 1,357	Shap, Speaking of retain... Do you still run sexape.com? I was digging through all of our returned checks and... you might want to get in touch with me regarding an incorrect address. SixNine

08-28-2004, 09:31 PM	#19
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Hey dude. Yep that's us. How do i contact you?

08-28-2004, 09:38 PM	#20
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	Shap's stuff rocks. I have GOT to get your stuff into the new perm database ASAP. The man knows how to sell on galleries. His hosted stuff is top notch.

08-28-2004, 09:39 PM	#21
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Thanks Steve ;) Hey Sixnine I just checked you are right, the second line of our address is missing. I'm going to drop you an email tomorrow to get this fixed.

08-29-2004, 01:12 PM	#22
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	I'm surprised that not more people responded to this. Everybody is willing to post their affiliates #s but not their retention.

08-29-2004, 01:13 PM	#23
TheWildcard So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,759	no

08-29-2004, 01:27 PM	#26
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	I agree 100%. That is a number I watch closely. Our click thru around 3% and our sales per hits to the gallery is 1 sale per 17,000 hits to the gallery.

08-29-2004, 01:36 PM	#30
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Yeah I hear you FlyingIguana. Our site isn't geared to bang out sales like some "reality" sites. We try to give our surfers a taste of what they'll get inside. That way once they join they are happy and stay a member for an extended period. Making webmasters money long after they've sent the sale. Another bonus is having a member's area that has more than 200 gigs of content and growing daily. Good luck to any surfer trying to download our entire collection

08-29-2004, 01:40 PM	#31
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	For those wondering why I'd post our retention and conversion numbers here's your answer. Whether our numbers are good or bad we are always upfront with our webmasters and surfers. We are honest with everything we do and feel that by letting people know what to expect we attract the type of webmasters that we want as part of Twistyscash

08-29-2004, 02:00 PM	#32
Sassy Girl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 410	I retain like mad around that time of the month.

08-30-2004, 07:40 AM	#33
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Looks like retain may have been the wrong word to use in the title.

08-30-2004, 08:09 AM	#34
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	Shap, this type of thread is good for business. Thanks for sharing. It caused me to look at myu stats with you. I sent one sale on a few hundred clicks but guess what.... I have 6 rebills. Makes a guy think he needs to send more sales as last month was exactly the same.

08-30-2004, 08:15 AM	#35
Basic_man Programming King Pin Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 27,360	Thanks for starting this thread __________________ UUGallery Builder - automated photo/video gallery plugin for Wordpress! Stop looking! Checkout Naked Hosting, online since 1999 !

08-30-2004, 09:04 AM	#36
Shap Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 8,313	Good To Hear Slapass. We are going to be sending out an email today and tomorrow. It's going to be good