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Luc · 08-30-2004, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
Have you been able to verify those so-called 'facts?'

about odigo employees being warned:

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pa...l?itemNo=77744

of course, you'll say.. fuck that article. its BULLSHIT! i need
more proof cause some drunk fuck might have written that.

looks like a legit israeli newspaper. but its bullshit right?

"Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack...."

VeriSexy · 08-30-2004, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
Have you been able to verify those so-called 'facts?'

And have you verified that the cause of the WTC collapse was a "pancake collapse"? Can you name another building that has collapsed cause of a fire? The building came in 10 seconds, only a implosion can cause something like that.

"WTC 7 collapsed on September 11, 2001, at 5:20 p.m. There were no known casualties due to this collapse. The performance of WTC 7 is of significant interest because it appears the collapse was due primarily to fire, rather than any impact damage from the collapsing towers. Prior to September 11, 2001, there was little, if any, record of fire-induced collapse of large fire-protected steel buildings."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/wtc7_fir... re_alone.htm

boobmaster · 08-30-2004, 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by Luc
about odigo employees being warned:

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pa...l?itemNo=77744

of course, you'll say.. fuck that article. its BULLSHIT! i need
more proof cause some drunk fuck might have written that.

"[i]Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack....[\i]"

This is FAR from proof. Witnesses lie, especially if they have a hidden agenda, like influencing an election. why didn't any of this shit come out two years ago? There wasn't a presidential election two years ago, that's why. I think your source is noncredible.

The people who believe this shit believe it because they want to. It's the same reason people in here don't believe in the existence of a God -- because they DON'T want to.

Luc · 08-30-2004, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
This is FAR from proof. Witnesses lie, especially if they have a hidden agenda, like influencing an election. why didn't any of this shit come out two years ago? There wasn't a presidential election two years ago, that's why. I think your source is noncredible.

The people who believe this shit believe it because they want to. It's the same reason people in here don't believe in the existence of a God -- because they DON'T want to.

you're a fucking moron...

they found out about the terrorist attack BEFORE it fucking
happened.

as a result, they didn't go to work or left work early.

they survived, and told their fucking story.

uhh, what other proof you need? should we all take a plane
to israel and ask obigo CEO if this is true?

hahaha. you're so fucking blind...

also, he throws kerry in the same basket as bush.. so i don't
see what it has to do with influencing an election.

i'm done with you kiddo. peace.

boobmaster · 08-30-2004, 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by VeriSexy
And have you verified that the cause of the WTC collapse was a "pancake collapse"? Can you name another building that has collapsed cause of a fire? The building came in 10 seconds, only a implosion can cause something like that.

"WTC 7 collapsed on September 11, 2001, at 5:20 p.m. There were no known casualties due to this collapse. The performance of WTC 7 is of significant interest because it appears the collapse was due primarily to fire, rather than any impact damage from the collapsing towers. Prior to September 11, 2001, there was little, if any, record of fire-induced collapse of large fire-protected steel buildings."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/wtc7_fir... re_alone.htm

At a minimum, a theory like this has to make at least SOME sense. It makes none. Inconsistencies, if valid, have alternative explanations. I don't see how this proves anything.

TERRORISTS HIJACKED FOUR PLANES ON 9/11, 2001 AND FLEW THEM INTO THE WTC AND PENTAGON. Those are the facts. There is no conspiracy.

boobmaster · 08-30-2004, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by Luc
you're a fucking moron...

they found out about the terrorist attack BEFORE it fucking
happened.

as a result, they didn't go to work or left work early.

they survived, and told their fucking story.

uhh, what other proof you need? should we all take a plane
to israel and ask obigo CEO if this is true?

hahaha. you're so fucking blind...

also, he throws kerry in the same basket as bush.. so i don't
see what it has to do with influencing an election.

i'm done with you kiddo. peace.

You really are a fucking idiot. The report say they knew but THERE IS NO VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THEY ARE TELLING THE TRUTH. There are lots of reasons they may not have reported for work. Absentism is hardly an uncommon problem in this country. THIS IS NOT EVIDENCE. If you think it is, you are deceiving yourself.

Consider also the source of the report. It is NOT FROM A REPUTABLE NEWS AGENCY. The credibility of the reporting agency is important. There is none here. IT'S ALL A FANTASY.

TheSenator · 08-30-2004, 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
Have you been able to verify those so-called 'facts?'

cui bono translated "who benefitted"......

follow the money....basic shit....

look at the facts....

draw your own conclusion.....

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Chichio · 08-30-2004, 06:20 PM

There are tons of facts in the trailer. I don't believe every word of it or even the whole concept.

Just about Afghanistan:

1. The Taliban did come to the US to talk about that pipeline (Texas actually).
2. They did not ?play-ball? as the American companies would have liked.
3. The current president of Afghanistan did work for an oil company.
4. Opium production is now flourishing in Afghanistan.
5. The pipeline he talked about IS now being built.

Just a few examples on one of the topics addressed.

boobmaster · 08-30-2004, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Luc
you're a fucking moron...

they found out about the terrorist attack BEFORE it fucking
happened.

as a result, they didn't go to work or left work early.

they survived, and told their fucking story.

uhh, what other proof you need? should we all take a plane
to israel and ask obigo CEO if this is true?

hahaha. you're so fucking blind...

also, he throws kerry in the same basket as bush.. so i don't
see what it has to do with influencing an election.

i'm done with you kiddo. peace.

Even if we accept the report as true, it ONLY proves that SOMEONE had prior knowledge of the attacks. That someone could have been a member of the terrorist cell. The people who were warned could have even been in on it. How does any of this prove Israel or the USA was behind the attacks?

boobmaster · 08-30-2004, 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by TheSenator
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boobmaster · 08-30-2004, 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by Chichio
There are tons of facts in the trailer. I don't believe every word of it or even the whole concept.

Just about Afghanistan:

1. The Taliban did come to the US to talk about that pipeline (Texas actually).
2. They did not ?play-ball? as the American companies would have liked.
3. The current president of Afghanistan did work for an oil company.
4. Opium production is now flourishing in Afghanistan.
5. The pipeline he talked about IS now being built.

Just a few examples on one of the topics addressed.

What do any of these 'facts' have to do with 9-11?

VeriSexy · 08-30-2004, 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
At a minimum, a theory like this has to make at least SOME sense. It makes none. Inconsistencies, if valid, have alternative explanations. I don't see how this proves anything.

TERRORISTS HIJACKED FOUR PLANES ON 9/11, 2001 AND FLEW THEM INTO THE WTC AND PENTAGON. Those are the facts. There is no conspiracy.

"TERRORISTS HIJACKED FOUR PLANES ON 9/11"

And somehow non of them were ever shot down. Even the most secure place on the planet "The Pentagon" got hit. Lucky, it somehow hit the side of the building that was mostly empty and under renovations.

There are more cameras and surveillance equipment around Washington DC than any place on earth and they only managed to release two crappy blurry photos? (USA with the best technology in the world) What is there to hide? Why does the government only release two crappy images. They have tech to use satellites to zoom in on houses but they can't seem to release any good video or pictures of the plane that crash into the pentagon. The people deserve the right to know.

Flight 77 disappears off the radar screen over Ohio. How is that even possible? I thought USA had the best radar tech in the world.

What about Norad? They didn't send any planes to investigate this at all until (After the crash)

Chichio · 08-30-2004, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
What do any of these 'facts' have to do with 9-11?

Well, I don't claim they do as a fact, but it's obvious that 9/11 allowed us to come in to Afghanistan and put the smack down on the Taliban and install a puppet government thus allowing us to call the shots from now on.

VeriSexy · 08-30-2004, 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by Chichio
Well, I don't claim they do as a fact, but it's obvious that 9/11 allowed us to come in to Afghanistan and put the smack down on the Taliban and install a puppet government thus allowing us to call the shots from now on.

This guy is too thick to think for himself. You might give him a headache with too many facts

boobmaster · 08-30-2004, 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by VeriSexy
"TERRORISTS HIJACKED FOUR PLANES ON 9/11"

And somehow non of them were ever shot down. Even the most secure place on the planet "The Pentagon" got hit. Lucky, it somehow hit the side of the building that was mostly empty and under renovations.

There are more cameras and surveillance equipment around Washington DC than any place on earth and they only managed to release two crappy blurry photos? (USA with the best technology in the world) What is there to hide? Why does the government only release two crappy images. They have tech to use satellites to zoom in on houses but they can't seem to release any good video or pictures of the plane that crash into the pentagon. The people deserve the right to know.

Flight 77 disappears off the radar screen over Ohio. How is that even possible? I thought USA had the best radar tech in the world.

What about Norad? They didn't send any planes to investigate this at all until (After the crash)

What exactly would the US government have to gain by orcastrating this? Conspiracy theories like this don't show up on the evening news for a very good reason: THERE IS INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THEM. You list a bunch of things that could easily be coincidences, assuming they are true.

BTW, OSWALD, AND OSWALD ALONE, SHOT JFK.

dailyduke · 08-30-2004, 06:37 PM

it takes three years to get a report detailing what a government panel thinks went wrong and here we are nearly 40 days later and still they have not even really begun to do something about the reccomendations the report outlined...

I watched this and I watched 911, regardless of how they are presented the facts are that the American governemnt knew of plots and did nothing, IRAQ is proof that GWB has no intent on capturing terrorists, he has his own oil agenda, hell the dude ran 3 companies under before beconing governor of Texas

It is time to clean house and start fresh... get the idiots out of office and put some real peace luvin free thinkers in there!

TheSenator · 08-30-2004, 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster

Trust me, dude. I don't need any HELP in that department.

that was built in sarcasm

boobmaster · 08-30-2004, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by VeriSexy
This guy is too thick to think for himself. You might give him a headache with too many facts

Dude, there is a difference between documented facts and rumors. You seem to think that anything qualifies as solid evidence. IT DOESN'T.

You have shown me no reason to believe that any of your facts are valid. I do research for a living and I'm telling you, you need a hell of a lot more than this to convince me.

If there was any plausibility to this theory, the big news sources would be on it like flies on a popcicle. The fact that they are not is very telling.

boobmaster · 08-30-2004, 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by dailyduke
it takes three years to get a report detailing what a government panel thinks went wrong and here we are nearly 40 days later and still they have not even really begun to do something about the reccomendations the report outlined...

I watched this and I watched 911, regardless of how they are presented the facts are that the American governemnt knew of plots and did nothing, IRAQ is proof that GWB has no intent on capturing terrorists, he has his own oil agenda, hell the dude ran 3 companies under before beconing governor of Texas

It is time to clean house and start fresh... get the idiots out of office and put some real peace luvin free thinkers in there!

This is what it all boils down to. The people who believe this shit are the ones who want Bush out of office. They believe it because they want it to be true. Unfortunately (for them), it isn't.

TheSenator · 08-30-2004, 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
This is what it all boils down to. The people who believe this shit are the ones who want Bush out of office. They believe it because they want it to be true. Unfortunately (for them), it isn't.

follow the money....unless of course you are benefitting.

VeriSexy · 08-30-2004, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
What exactly would the US government have to gain by orcastrating this? Conspiracy theories like this don't show up on the evening news for a very good reason: THERE IS INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THEM. You list a bunch of things that could easily be coincidences, assuming they are true.

BTW, OSWALD, AND OSWALD ALONE, SHOT JFK.

Billions of dollars in Weapons contracts, Oil contracts, loans, and rebuilding cause of the war.

The Bushes and the Carlyle Group
Dick Cheney and Halliburton
Bin Laden and Alcada
Alex Brown Krongard = Deutsche Bank = Director of CIA
"The week before 911 a increase of 1200% in tradings to go short" (Deutsche Bank)

Why is this man dead?
John O'Neill
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/

VeriSexy · 08-30-2004, 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
What exactly would the US government have to gain by orcastrating this? Conspiracy theories like this don't show up on the evening news for a very good reason: THERE IS INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THEM. You list a bunch of things that could easily be coincidences, assuming they are true.

BTW, OSWALD, AND OSWALD ALONE, SHOT JFK.

"You list a bunch of things that could easily be coincidences, assuming they are true."

Please tell us why there are only two crappy photos of the plane that hit the pentagon

VeriSexy · 08-30-2004, 07:14 PM

Boobmaster I think your very Anti American.

robfantasy · 08-30-2004, 07:15 PM

why the fuck is this asshole trying to make a connection b/w 911 and the sniper shootings.

that bothers me.

robfantasy · 08-30-2004, 07:17 PM

IF BUSH IS CONTROLLING THIS BIG WORLD WIDE CONSPIRACY, DONT YOU THINK HE WOULD HAVE CONTROL OVER THE ELECTION?!

VeriSexy · 08-30-2004, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by robfantasy
IF BUSH IS CONTROLLING THIS BIG WORLD WIDE CONSPIRACY, DONT YOU THINK HE WOULD HAVE CONTROL OVER THE ELECTION?!

It's not just Bush, it's the "Elite" even Kerry is one of them. So there is 100% guarantee a "Elite" member is in presidency.

boobmaster · 08-30-2004, 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by VeriSexy
Boobmaster I think your very Anti American.

VeriSexy, I think you are very delusional.

boobmaster · 08-30-2004, 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by VeriSexy
It's not just Bush, it's the "Elite" even Kerry is one of them. So there is 100% guarantee a "Elite" member is in presidency.

Santa Clause brought down the towers. I already proved that!

VeriSexy · 08-30-2004, 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
VeriSexy, I think you are very delusional.

When you don't try to find out who really planned the attack that killed thousands of innocent people, your Anti American!!!!!!

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety

-Benjamin Franklin

piker · 08-30-2004, 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by VeriSexy
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/jul...atillusion.htm

(Better than fahrenheit 911)

Worse then Michael Moore, do some research.... It struck me as odd seeing a Salt Lake Tribune article in this vid.... so i looked it up... Turns out, it has nothing to do with the propaganda the guy was speaking....

Here is a link to the article as proof....
http://166.70.44.66/2002/Dec/1214200...on_w/11208.asp

For those that didnt make it this fair into the vid... he was speaking about how the Bush admin was squelching the investigation on 911... turns out the article is about bush wanting kissinger to join the investigation but kissinger passes on it because he makes more money elsewhere...

I guess for conspiracy therorist that was pre-planned however...

I just dont get how you people do it.. I admit conspiracy theories excite me... I watch JFK and had a hardon for it... sure it was the CIA that killed JFK, but seriously.... it goes against all rational thought....

Floridiot · 08-30-2004, 10:57 PM

boring

VeriSexy · 08-30-2004, 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by piker
Worse then Michael Moore, do some research.... It struck me as odd seeing a Salt Lake Tribune article in this vid.... so i looked it up... Turns out, it has nothing to do with the propaganda the guy was speaking....

Here is a link to the article as proof....
http://166.70.44.66/2002/Dec/1214200...on_w/11208.asp

For those that didnt make it this fair into the vid... he was speaking about how the Bush admin was squelching the investigation on 911... turns out the article is about bush wanting kissinger to join the investigation but kissinger passes on it because he makes more money elsewhere...

I guess for conspiracy therorist that was pre-planned however...

I just dont get how you people do it.. I admit conspiracy theories excite me... I watch JFK and had a hardon for it... sure it was the CIA that killed JFK, but seriously.... it goes against all rational thought....

He was talking about his article

"President Bush named Kissinger to lead the 10-member commission last week. The president dropped his opposition to an independent probe in September. "

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLIT...nger.mitchell/

Webmaster_Logic · 08-30-2004, 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
Simple. I don't believe most of those so-called 'facts'. If you take any of this seriously, I really have to question your sanity.

PS - I've never watched CNN in my life. I'm an MSNBC and BBC guy.

Why dont you go do some reaseach before yu make a opinon...

boobmaster · 08-31-2004, 12:32 AM

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Originally posted by Webmaster_Logic
Why dont you go do some reaseach before yu make a opinon...

Research what? The sourcers are not credible.

Joe Citizen · 08-31-2004, 12:35 AM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
Research what? The sourcers are not credible.

What sources do you consider credible?

erehwon · 08-31-2004, 01:11 AM

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Originally posted by VeriSexy
"TERRORISTS HIJACKED FOUR PLANES ON 9/11"

And somehow non of them were ever shot down. Even the most secure place on the planet "The Pentagon" got hit. Lucky, it somehow hit the side of the building that was mostly empty and under renovations.

There are more cameras and surveillance equipment around Washington DC than any place on earth and they only managed to release two crappy blurry photos? (USA with the best technology in the world) What is there to hide? Why does the government only release two crappy images. They have tech to use satellites to zoom in on houses but they can't seem to release any good video or pictures of the plane that crash into the pentagon. The people deserve the right to know.

Flight 77 disappears off the radar screen over Ohio. How is that even possible? I thought USA had the best radar tech in the world.

What about Norad? They didn't send any planes to investigate this at all until (After the crash)

Yeah, yeah yeah...

...and a 19 year old Mathias Rust landed a Cessna light aircraft right smack in the middle of Red Square. The Soviet defense and air defense ministers were both replaced and more than 2,000 officers lost their jobs.

Using airplanes as weapons was thought to be too Tom Clancy back in the that time, no one considered hijackers would do such a thing as hijackers in the past would just land the plane in Beriut and ask for their imprisoned comrades to be released, not fly them into buildings.

The greater Washington D.C. area wasn't like it is today, there weren't cameras all over the place as there is today, and its unlikely its going to be like downtown London where you can't even pick your nose without three cameras watching you.

VeriSexy · 08-31-2004, 01:23 AM

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Originally posted by erehwon
Yeah, yeah yeah...

...and a 19 year old Mathias Rust landed a Cessna light aircraft right smack in the middle of Red Square. The Soviet defense and air defense ministers were both replaced and more than 2,000 officers lost their jobs.

Using airplanes as weapons was thought to be too Tom Clancy back in the that time, no one considered hijackers would do such a thing as hijackers in the past would just land the plane in Beriut and ask for their imprisoned comrades to be released, not fly them into buildings.

The greater Washington D.C. area wasn't like it is today, there weren't cameras all over the place as there is today, and its unlikely its going to be like downtown London where you can't even pick your nose without three cameras watching you.

OMG that happened in 1968 LOL. Tech is in USA is light years ahead of Russia. How can you even compare Russia to USA? And that was in 1968

VeriSexy · 08-31-2004, 04:26 PM

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