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directfiesta · 08-27-2004, 07:31 AM

50 poorer people !

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Originally posted by BRISK
America is the wealthiest country in the world, but the average American is not wealthy. The majority of the wealth is held by a small percentage of Americans.

Those who got the tax breaks...

CDSmith · 08-27-2004, 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
want to cure poverty?
sterilize the poor. They're too fucking stupid to keep their legs closed.

This is one of those quotes where I read it and I can't help thinking "damn that would go great on a T-shirt".

Peaches · 08-27-2004, 07:34 AM

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Originally posted by sherie
Yes I have, and on many different levels and am well aware of the mental illnesses. I also use to do a lot of volunteer work at a mental health hospital. I voluteered in Vancouver right down in the nitty gritty of it all. I have experience, the blame whitey part was just for shits and giggles in response to Ricks posts.

Canada does the same thing, however, I still do not think that this day in age anyone in either country should be "poor".

But what do we do about it? When we offer them the ability to NOT be poor and they refuse it (free education is one of the most obvious ways out of "poverty", not to mention free birth control) what then? Because THAT is the situation, it's NOT that the government isn't helping..........

Peaches · 08-27-2004, 07:37 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
50 poorer people !

quote:Originally posted by BRISK
America is the wealthiest country in the world, but the average American is not wealthy. The majority of the wealth is held by a small percentage of Americans.

Those who got the tax breaks...

True - those who don't pay taxes don't get tax breaks

Odie · 08-27-2004, 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by sherie
No. Please don't. I find solace in his response's The average GFY'er is not even going to take the time to read it let alone understand it. Hence, why you have some of the responses that we have here.

I find it quite sad that in this day in age there are that many homeless/poor etc., in the US and Canada. There is no reason for it, yet it still exists. One can argue many points, but the matter of the fact is our governments are giving money away to help out other countries, putting money up for wars etc., but still can't manage to feed our own. True, tis not the governments job to feed and house the people, but come on now, there are many reasons why people are hungry and homeless. Children should not be suffering in 1st world countries. Simply put, there is just no need.

This time I blame whitey!

very true Sherie, there shouldn't be any suffering but at the same time the laziness that some of these "poor" people possess is quite disgusting as well.

Being from a "3rd world" country and living thru poverty that 99% of North America couldn't imagine or even live thru, part of me doesn't have as much sympathy for the "poor" of america compared to the "poor" of Thailand(just an example)

sherie · 08-27-2004, 07:50 AM

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Originally posted by Odie
very true Sherie, there shouldn't be any suffering but at the same time the laziness that some of these "poor" people possess is quite disgusting as well.

Being from a "3rd world" country and living thru poverty that 99% of North America couldn't imagine or even live thru, part of me doesn't have as much sympathy for the "poor" of america compared to the "poor" of Thailand(just an example)

I hear ya and I have no sympathy or empathy for the lazy. None at all. I am talking about the legit poor that are working off min. wage etc. Lazy fucks can get off their lazy asses and work just like the rest of everyone else. I feel more for the children myself.

I too feel more empathy for the "poor" in third world countries, hence, why there should be no poor in the US and Canada and other 1st world countries/nations.

sherie · 08-27-2004, 07:54 AM

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Originally posted by Peaches
But what do we do about it? When we offer them the ability to NOT be poor and they refuse it (free education is one of the most obvious ways out of "poverty", not to mention free birth control) what then? Because THAT is the situation, it's NOT that the government isn't helping..........

I don't know what we can do about it, I know what I can do to help. I am not just talking about the mentally ill here, they are just a percentage of the problem. I know that I would rather be part of the solution then part of the problem. That's why in winter time I'm gonna suit up and bring food and blankets out to those that are in need, that's what I am going do about it.

Poor people are working class too. The governments can start off by perhaps raisinig min. wage etc., there are plenty solutions out there, they just have to have bleeding hearts implement them!

CDSmith · 08-27-2004, 08:00 AM

I once used a government-sponsored agency to get back on my feet. There are actually plenty of programs out there, many that even specifically target single moms on welfare, to get them some education and training and get them back into the workforce to be a productive member of society.

My story: Back in '97 I sustained a workplace injury. I filed for worker's comp, and in the next few months while waiting for my claim to go through I began thinking I might not be physically able to return to my old job. So, I began looking around, and sure enough I found an ad in the local community paper that said simply "Free Job re-training/Job-re-entry Program".... I called them to ask if it had anything to do with computers, as at that time I knew nothing about them and was interested in going that route.

That program, largely as I said designed to help get people off of welfare an back into the workforce, accepted me right away. I told them "Hey look, I'm not on welfare, but once my compo runs out I might very well end up on it, why not help me out now and solve the problem before it starts?"

I found this program to be excellent. It is where I developed all my basic computer skills, was able to get myself a work-experience position at a local ISP, and from that was able to see their in-house webmaster in action.... and the rest as they say is history.

However, not all in that program can claim as much success as I can. I've kept in touch with several of the people from there and I can tell you that only a few had the drive and determination and COMMITMENT needed to get themselves self-supporting again. Out of the 30-odd people in that program at that time I would say less than ten made something of themselves. The others are still on welfare sucking the government's tit.

One girl got a great opportunity with a florist shop..... and within 2 weeks had blown it by her own counter-productive attitude. Another woman was able to qualify for health care aid training and got herself a good job in a local hospital, only to hook up with a 3-time loser and end up blowing that job down the crapper in less than a year. SHE is now in a shelter for battered women and again back to square one. Two other guys and two more women that I know from that course all had high hopes and talked a good game but are now, 7 years later, still on welfare.

And there was one immigrant from Guatemala, this guy used to be a milk factory worker. He came into the program not asking for much, just a chance to do here what he was doing down there.... and he worked his ass off, and lo and behold he made it happen for himself.... they guy was nearly in tears when he was told he'd been accepted to a local dairy, as he had a wife and 3 small kids to be responsible for. He is still in that job to this day.

I don't see where the government "is not doing enough"..... and definitely handouts aren't the answer either. The programs are available, and FREE to anyone who wants to make something of themselves. There are simply a large number of people in society who choose to be where they are (at the bottom), who love to accept that welfare cheque every month and just exist. Period. Handouts only enable people like that to keep ripping the system. Your donation money would better serve society by you giving it to a local animal shelter, at least animals are smart enough to drink when you lead them to water.

Peaches · 08-27-2004, 08:02 AM

Excellent post, CD!!

CDSmith · 08-27-2004, 08:20 AM

Thanks. I have one in me every few months.

mardigras · 08-27-2004, 08:27 AM

For all the talk about lazy people the fact is that the administration plans to cut 16 billion from medicaid over the next 10 years and there are hundreds of thousands of seniors losing prescription drug coverage within the next month or so. My 85 year old aunt loses hers October 1. She is a widow and her only source of income is SSI.

Peaches · 08-27-2004, 08:38 AM

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Originally posted by mardigras
For all the talk about lazy people the fact is that the administration plans to cut 16 billion from medicaid over the next 10 years and there are hundreds of thousands of seniors losing prescription drug coverage within the next month or so. My 85 year old aunt loses hers October 1. She is a widow and her only source of income is SSI.

If she's 85 she has LONG since gotten back what she and/or her husband paid into the SSI system which is WHY there are cut backs.

That doesn't solve her problem (better planning would have though - none of my grandparents or parents were/are dependent on SSI and I don't plan to be either) but it's the fact. People are spending SSI they never earned and it's sucking the system dry,

jimmyf · 08-27-2004, 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by the_wizz
Thats right.

Thats why we're a federal republic and not a democracy.

I hate it when people think its the governments responsibility to take care of the people.

Its not.

Its the peoples responsibility to take care of themselves and the government.

By the way, the Flat Tax RULES!!

jimmyf · 08-27-2004, 08:46 AM

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Originally posted by atom
it amazes me that a lot of people in this country think that they are owed something for doing nothing and not willing to work for it.

couldn't agree with you more

directfiesta · 08-27-2004, 09:02 AM

Amazing how some people think here ... mainly when you know in which business they operate ...

Meanwhile, this great economy of this country will not honour its promises...:

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JACKSON, Wyo. ? Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said Friday that the country will face "abrupt and painful" choices if Congress does not move quickly to trim the Social Security and Medicare benefits that have been promised to the baby boom generation.

Returning to a politically explosive issue he has addressed a number of times this year, Greenspan said it is wrong for government to hold out the promise of more retirement benefits than it is capable of providing.

He said this issue is particularly critical given the impending retirement of 77 million baby boomers born 1946 through '64.

"As a nation, we owe it to our retirees to promise only the benefits that can be delivered," Greenspan said in opening remarks to a two-day conference sponsored by the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City on the challenges posed by aging populations.

"If we have promised more than our economy has the ability to deliver, as I fear we may have, we must recalibrate our public programs so that pending retirees have time to adjust through other channels," Greenspan said. "If we delay, the adjustments could be abrupt and painful."

Greenspan, as he has done previously, suggested that possible changes would be raising the retirement age for full Social Security benefits, which already is gradually increasing from 65 to 67.

Will just add to the " poorer " ....

BTW, I am an US corporation. I pay taxes and didn't get any break... even tough I am not ( in the US ) in the upper class...

So the typical phrase

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those who don't pay taxes don't get tax breaks

is nice sounding but not accurate... Middle class pays most of the taxes in the US.

jimmyf · 08-27-2004, 09:02 AM

Not one social program that the Gov. has or had has solved one social problem.

And that's a fact.

Peaches · 08-27-2004, 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

BTW, I am an US corporation. I pay taxes and didn't get any break... even tough I am not ( in the US ) in the upper class...

So the typical phrase is nice sounding but not accurate... Middle class pays most of the taxes in the US.

If you're a Subchapter S Corp and you're truly not in the "upperclass" then did you not get a rebate tax check a few years ago?

I'm not sure what you call "middle class" but:

"IRS statistics for 2000 show that returns showing less than $15,000 in adjusted gross income amounted to 30 percent of total returns filed but accounted for less than 1 percent of tax paid. By contrast, although they made up only 2 percent of all taxpayers that year, taxpayers reporting $200,000 or more in adjusted gross income paid 45 percent of all federal income taxes."

M_M · 08-27-2004, 09:20 AM

I think the subject is not about why there is poverty. The question is why is it getting worse.

Why is America backpadelling?

jennym · 08-27-2004, 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
Amazing how some people think here ... mainly when you know in which business they operate ...

Meanwhile, this great economy of this country will not honour its promises...:

Will just add to the " poorer " ....

BTW, I am an US corporation. I pay taxes and didn't get any break... even tough I am not ( in the US ) in the upper class...

So the typical phrase is nice sounding but not accurate... Middle class pays most of the taxes in the US.

In other words, politicians have continuously promised more and more to the "poor" people of this country hoping to get their vote. Now it is becoming impossible to fulfill these obligations.

If you want a home, and food, and cars, and cable TV, then fucking work for it like other people. Sure, there are people who fall into situations that are unexpected, and tough. That is when they should take advantage of all the "freebies" this country offers. Use these tools to better yourself, and get to a self-supportive state. But it pisses me off to no fucking end to see some lazy fat ass bitch with twenty kids in the grocery store, driving a beamer, and paying for her steaks with food stamps.

I think if you are on welfare, you should not be allowed to keep having children. Period. You want more kids? Find a way to support them....I don't want to. If you CONTINUE to keep having children that you cannot support, then they should be taken away from you.

sherie · 08-27-2004, 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by Peaches
If she's 85 she has LONG since gotten back what she and/or her husband paid into the SSI system which is WHY there are cut backs.

That doesn't solve her problem (better planning would have though - none of my grandparents or parents were/are dependent on SSI and I don't plan to be either) but it's the fact. People are spending SSI they never earned and it's sucking the system dry,

Unless you live in Canada where the government "borrows" from the plan and then proceeds to say that when my generation gets up there and it's time to collect there will be nothing left (well not in those exact words, but we can read between the lines). I am certainly not relying on anything from the government when it's that time, but it would be nice to know that there's something there if need be. I have been paying into it for at least 17years now and I am no where near retiring age!

Peaches · 08-27-2004, 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by sherie
Unless you live in Canada where the government "borrows" from the plan and then proceeds to say that when my generation gets up there and it's time to collect there will be nothing left (well not in those exact words, but we can read between the lines). I am certainly not relying on anything from the government when it's that time, but it would be nice to know that there's something there if need be. I have been paying into it for at least 17years now and I am no where near retiring age!

That's what's happening here, but they're running out of money to "borrow". And if you read through this board, many want the government to take the money away from the military to cover this. Though in the same breath they want soldiers to make MORE money........

You're supposed to be happy knowing your taxes are currently going towards taking care of those who on social security now - like most taxes, it's basically forced donating

Drake · 08-27-2004, 09:47 AM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
want to cure poverty?
sterilize the poor. They're too fucking stupid to keep their legs closed.

oh, and I'd remind you dopes that here in america..................
1. 41 percent of all "poor" households owned their own homes. The average size of that home was three bedrooms, one-and-a-half bathrooms, a garage and a porch or patio. Three-quarters of a million "poor" owned homes worth over $150,000; some of those homes sported Jacuzzis and pools.

2. Seventy percent of "poor" households own a car; 27 percent own two or more cars. Ninety-seven percent have a color television; nearly half own two or more televisions. Two-thirds of "poor" households have air conditioning

perhaps these "poor" should swap places with the poor of the Sudan.

I do agree with 12clicks to an extent. This does put things in perspective. When we talk about the poor in the US we're talking about people that are well fed and live a relatively comfortable life compared to most of the world. I'm not sure if his stats are correct regarding 41% having a house with 3 bedrooms, but I do know that poor or rich, just about everybody has a surplus of food, cable tv, computer, and so on. Sometimes we exaggerate the conditions in America when all in all, it's the best whether you're poor or rich.

I suppose we just have to keep an eye out to ensure that the disparity doesn't get so great that it actually does begin to fall back into pre 1920 conditions.

Anyway, good discussion.

SuckOnThis · 08-27-2004, 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by jennym

I think if you are on welfare, you should not be allowed to keep having children. Period. You want more kids? Find a way to support them....I don't want to. If you CONTINUE to keep having children that you cannot support, then they should be taken away from you.

I also believe people from the south should not be allowed to keep their kids just for the simple fact they are the dumbest motherfuckers on the face of the planet.

Here is your dream come true
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=38571

jennym · 08-27-2004, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
I also believe people from the south should not be allowed to keep their kids just for the simple fact they are the dumbest motherfuckers on the face of the planet.

Here is your dream come true
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=38571

I agree that many from the south are podunk idiots. Those are people trying to force religious beliefs on other people. I am all for gay marriage, I believe that women should have the right to choose etc. BUT, I don't think that people who cannot support themselves or their children should be having more children for the taxpayers to support. It is abso-fucking-lutely IRRESPONSIBLE! It is also totally unfair to their children!

So, you think it is ok for someone on welfare to keep popping out kids as quick as they want? If that is ok with you, then you fucking support them.

NichePay_Manny · 08-27-2004, 10:19 AM

Great subject.That is why? it is time to vote for a new president!

angelsofporn · 08-27-2004, 10:21 AM

The gap between rich and poor is widening.

15 years ago the average CEO made 40 times what the average employee of that company made. Now the average CEO makes 400 times what the average employee makes.

SuckOnThis · 08-27-2004, 11:05 AM

Funny how conservatives will fight to protect unborn children, yet they have no problem letting them starve once they are born.

Peaches · 08-27-2004, 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by NichePay_Manny
Great subject.That is why? it is time to vote for a new president!

Kerry wants to take even more from the haves and give to the have nots - at least that's what he's claiming in his campaign speeches to get votes.

jennym · 08-27-2004, 11:21 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
Funny how conservatives will fight to protect unborn children, yet they have no problem letting them starve once they are born.

Is this directed at me? What makes you think I am a conservative? Because I don't want to support an entire group of lazy people?

I believe I said I wanted the children taken from their parents. OBVIOUSLY, that means I approve of the govt. housing, clothing, feeding, and educating these innocent children who have the misfortune of being born to lasy ass crackheads. What I do not approve of is raising a woman's "benefits" everytime she irresponsibly spreads her legs to the neighor for a joint. Do you understand now? There is no reason people should be on welfare half/all their lives.

Floridiot · 08-27-2004, 11:29 AM

thanks mr bush

mardigras · 08-27-2004, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
I also believe people from the south should not be allowed to keep their kids just for the simple fact they are the dumbest motherfuckers on the face of the planet.

Not all southerners end up on the Jerry Springer Show

sherie · 08-27-2004, 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by jennym
Is this directed at me? What makes you think I am a conservative? Because I don't want to support an entire group of lazy people?

I believe I said I wanted the children taken from their parents. OBVIOUSLY, that means I approve of the govt. housing, clothing, feeding, and educating these innocent children who have the misfortune of being born to lasy ass crackheads. What I do not approve of is raising a woman's "benefits" everytime she irresponsibly spreads her legs to the neighor for a joint. Do you understand now? There is no reason people should be on welfare half/all their lives.

I don't think it was. I think it was a general statement going by the threads and some of these posts. And I would have to agree with him as well. (if it were a general statement that is)

exposed · 08-27-2004, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks
As a fellow student of history, I'll tell you you're simply wrong.
see my post above. the poor are getting richer. its that simple.

aahah rofl

TzarJorge · 08-27-2004, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by Nanda
NOt to defend or anything but it's a HUGE country......how many illegal immigrants live in the U.S.? How many illegal immigrants are on welfare? MANY...

if they are illegal then they aren't registered, hence, they dont count in the stats smarty

Peaches · 08-27-2004, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by TzarJorge
if they are illegal then they aren't registered, hence, they dont count in the stats smarty

Again, yes they are counted in the census and they do receive welfare.

mcfly · 08-27-2004, 12:25 PM

what is even worse is that the poverty level is sub $9K per year in earnings ($18K for families of 4). that, to me, is just ridiculous. i can't imagine trying to live on less than $9K per. ugh.

my point being, if you try to establish a reasonable standard of living, that percentage is probably going to be in the 30-40% range!

CDSmith · 08-27-2004, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by mardigras
Not all southerners end up on the Jerry Springer Show

That's right. The others end up on Jenny Jones, Maury, and Montel. :D

bringer · 08-27-2004, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by Jaden
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5829707/

"...The number of people living in poverty rose by 1.3 million to 35.9 million people, or 12.5 percent of the population, up from 12.1 percent in 2002.

The rise was more dramatic for children. There were 12.9 million living in poverty last year, or 17.6 percent of the under-18 population. That was an increase of about 800,000 from 2002, when 16.7 percent of all children were in poverty...."

It's just pathetic and shameful to live in a country where Presidential candidates spend millions of dollars slamming eachothers war records and debating over all the stupid shit they do, when almost 20% of the kids living in this country don't have access to decent housing, healthcare or any of the other basics they need for simple survival.

It's getting harder and harder these days to actually say the words "Proud American"

how are they living in poverty? working or not, if they have children and make less then $X they get their rent paid, food stamps and money each month from the government. when i was in college working 2 jobs and would go shopping and these people paying with foodstamps were buying steaks and brand named products while i was buying TP and top romin.

edit. they also get FREE HEALTHCARE
this is the reason it takes 4 hours to be seen in emergency rooms and asprin costs $12 at hospitols.

SuckOnThis · 08-27-2004, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by jennym
Is this directed at me? What makes you think I am a conservative? Because I don't want to support an entire group of lazy people?

I believe I said I wanted the children taken from their parents. OBVIOUSLY, that means I approve of the govt. housing, clothing, feeding, and educating these innocent children who have the misfortune of being born to lasy ass crackheads. What I do not approve of is raising a woman's "benefits" everytime she irresponsibly spreads her legs to the neighor for a joint. Do you understand now? There is no reason people should be on welfare half/all their lives.

Who gives a fuck what you are. Anyone who advocates the government taking kids from people who are less fortunate should be boxed up and shipped to China.

jennym · 08-27-2004, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
Who gives a fuck what you are. Anyone who advocates the government taking kids from people who are less fortunate should be boxed up and shipped to China.

Obviously, you are not very bright. I NEVER said take kids away from parents who are less fortunate. I did not say take kids from people on welfare. I said take children from parents who can't support themselves or the children they already have, but CONTINUE TO HAVE MORE CHILDREN. If you don't understand that then you are an idiot.

If a GROWN woman can not pay her rent, and has no idea where her next meal will come from, then she has NO business having more children. That is irresponsible, and it is neglect, IMO. Pregnancy is not something that "just happens". She should keep her fucking legs closed if she can't feed a child. Or do you think getting a little dick is so important that you should risk bringing a child into the world that you can't feed? Seriously, how hard is that to understand?

CET · 08-27-2004, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
America is the wealthiest country in the world, but the average American is not wealthy. The majority of the wealth is held by a small percentage of Americans.

Americans on average enjoy one of the highest standards of living in the world. Our average "poor" family own a VCR, DVD player, microwave oven, car, 2/3 of them own their homes and they're FAT! Most poor people in the world only wish they were fat. Our "poor" are only poor by comparisson to the wealthy.

Also, capitalism works best when money is spread more egalitarianly. The only reason it isn't entirely egalitarian is because not everyone is just as smart as everyone else and puts forth just as much effort as everyone else.

12clicks · 08-28-2004, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

BTW, I am an US corporation. I pay taxes and didn't get any break... even tough I am not ( in the US ) in the upper class...

So the typical phrase is nice sounding but not accurate... Middle class pays most of the taxes in the US.

You're either a liar or not a US resident. either one makes you irrelevant.

12clicks · 08-28-2004, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by angelsofporn
The gap between rich and poor is widening.

15 years ago the average CEO made 40 times what the average employee of that company made. Now the average CEO makes 400 times what the average employee makes.

oh look, another under educated dope bought into the lies of the left.

I'll point out to you that your example talks about CEOs and average employees. niether of which are the poor.
oh, and your average ceo does not make 400 times the average employee. (another myth)

SuckOnThis · 08-28-2004, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by 12clicks

oh, and your average ceo does not make 400 times the average employee. (another myth)

You're right, its more than that.

exposed · 08-28-2004, 01:02 PM

12clicks · 08-28-2004, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by SuckOnThis
You're right, its more than that.

step right up, the idiots keep exposing themselves.

dear dope, this chart shows % of income increase over the time period.
a 500% change is far different than 400 times. you'll know that after you complete 7th grade math.

(why can't school happen on the weekends too so we get a real break from these kids and their childish posts)

12clicks · 08-28-2004, 01:07 PM

and just to dumb it down so you'll understand. a 500% increase = 5 times. 5 times is not > 400 times.

stupid fucking kids.

08-27-2004, 08:00 AM	#58
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	I once used a government-sponsored agency to get back on my feet. There are actually plenty of programs out there, many that even specifically target single moms on welfare, to get them some education and training and get them back into the workforce to be a productive member of society. My story: Back in '97 I sustained a workplace injury. I filed for worker's comp, and in the next few months while waiting for my claim to go through I began thinking I might not be physically able to return to my old job. So, I began looking around, and sure enough I found an ad in the local community paper that said simply "Free Job re-training/Job-re-entry Program".... I called them to ask if it had anything to do with computers, as at that time I knew nothing about them and was interested in going that route. That program, largely as I said designed to help get people off of welfare an back into the workforce, accepted me right away. I told them "Hey look, I'm not on welfare, but once my compo runs out I might very well end up on it, why not help me out now and solve the problem before it starts?" I found this program to be excellent. It is where I developed all my basic computer skills, was able to get myself a work-experience position at a local ISP, and from that was able to see their in-house webmaster in action.... and the rest as they say is history. However, not all in that program can claim as much success as I can. I've kept in touch with several of the people from there and I can tell you that only a few had the drive and determination and COMMITMENT needed to get themselves self-supporting again. Out of the 30-odd people in that program at that time I would say less than ten made something of themselves. The others are still on welfare sucking the government's tit. One girl got a great opportunity with a florist shop..... and within 2 weeks had blown it by her own counter-productive attitude. Another woman was able to qualify for health care aid training and got herself a good job in a local hospital, only to hook up with a 3-time loser and end up blowing that job down the crapper in less than a year. SHE is now in a shelter for battered women and again back to square one. Two other guys and two more women that I know from that course all had high hopes and talked a good game but are now, 7 years later, still on welfare. And there was one immigrant from Guatemala, this guy used to be a milk factory worker. He came into the program not asking for much, just a chance to do here what he was doing down there.... and he worked his ass off, and lo and behold he made it happen for himself.... they guy was nearly in tears when he was told he'd been accepted to a local dairy, as he had a wife and 3 small kids to be responsible for. He is still in that job to this day. I don't see where the government "is not doing enough"..... and definitely handouts aren't the answer either. The programs are available, and FREE to anyone who wants to make something of themselves. There are simply a large number of people in society who choose to be where they are (at the bottom), who love to accept that welfare cheque every month and just exist. Period. Handouts only enable people like that to keep ripping the system. Your donation money would better serve society by you giving it to a local animal shelter, at least animals are smart enough to drink when you lead them to water. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

08-27-2004, 08:20 AM	#60
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	Thanks. I have one in me every few months. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

08-27-2004, 08:27 AM	#61
mardigras Bon temps! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: down yonder Posts: 14,194	For all the talk about lazy people the fact is that the administration plans to cut 16 billion from medicaid over the next 10 years and there are hundreds of thousands of seniors losing prescription drug coverage within the next month or so. My 85 year old aunt loses hers October 1. She is a widow and her only source of income is SSI. __________________ . Last edited by mardigras; 08-27-2004 at 08:28 AM..

08-27-2004, 09:02 AM	#66
jimmyf OU812 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: California Posts: 12,651	Not one social program that the Gov. has or had has solved one social problem. And that's a fact. __________________ Epic CashEpic Cash works for me Solar Cash Paysite Plugin Gallery of the day freesites,POTD,Gallery generator with free hosting

08-27-2004, 11:29 AM	#80
Floridiot Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: fort lauderdale Posts: 1,346	thanks mr bush __________________ Need custom Tshirts? i provide quality shirts, screen printing, and personalized labels with your logo. For a catalog email me at: [email protected]

08-27-2004, 08:02 AM	#59
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	Excellent post, CD!!

08-27-2004, 09:20 AM	#68
M_M Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,167	I think the subject is not about why there is poverty. The question is why is it getting worse. Why is America backpadelling?

08-27-2004, 10:19 AM	#75
NichePay_Manny Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 1,833	Great subject.That is why? it is time to vote for a new president!

08-27-2004, 10:21 AM	#76
angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	The gap between rich and poor is widening. 15 years ago the average CEO made 40 times what the average employee of that company made. Now the average CEO makes 400 times what the average employee makes.

08-27-2004, 11:05 AM	#77
SuckOnThis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In my head Posts: 6,844	Funny how conservatives will fight to protect unborn children, yet they have no problem letting them starve once they are born.

08-27-2004, 12:25 PM	#86
mcfly Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: colorado Posts: 119	what is even worse is that the poverty level is sub $9K per year in earnings ($18K for families of 4). that, to me, is just ridiculous. i can't imagine trying to live on less than $9K per. ugh. my point being, if you try to establish a reasonable standard of living, that percentage is probably going to be in the 30-40% range!

08-28-2004, 01:02 PM	#95
exposed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: unknown Posts: 1,449	__________________ "I felt victimized by the Ian Eisenbergs of the world" - Mary Burger

08-28-2004, 01:07 PM	#97
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	and just to dumb it down so you'll understand. a 500% increase = 5 times. 5 times is not > 400 times. stupid fucking kids. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.