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Scraper · 06-15-2001, 10:40 AM

Hi all,
I'm looking for a decent card/check processor that doesn't require a merchant account.

CCBill & Ibill are becoming too restrictive,
Globill doesn't look professional enough, and Verotel is trying to charge $15 extra on top of each chargeback!

If you would recommend any please let me know.

Thanks. Scotty.

Susan · 06-15-2001, 02:01 PM

Globill doesn't look professional enough ?

ldinternet · 06-15-2001, 02:34 PM

http://www.pornresource.com/Guides/ProcessorsGuide

Steer clear of SunBill, those fucknuts knowingly provide billing for child porn sites. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they were in on it all - like that keyz.com Landslide Inc. bullshit.

Lane · 06-15-2001, 02:45 PM

i am looking for a proccessor too
but they all charge like 15%

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X-Web · 06-15-2001, 05:07 PM

http://www.2checkout.com/cgi-bin/aff.2c?affid=13003

What does it cost?
There is a 1 time only set up fee of $49.00 for approved accounts.

2CheckOut collects a 5.5% commission on each sale plus a $0.45 charge per transaction.

There are no leases, no monthly fees, no application fees, and no statement fees!!

so go ahead signup at http://www.2checkout.com/cgi-bin/aff.2c?affid=13003

TFCash · 06-15-2001, 06:55 PM

X-Web -

Are you using them for your adult sites, or has anyone ever used them for adult stuff. I see the website say's that they do adult stuff but I wasn't sure if that was for hard goods, or if website subscriptions counted also ?? Thanks.

Tim

X-Web · 06-16-2001, 02:00 AM

i talked to them and they said they allow adult subscription based and products.. i currently havent used thier service as i havent got my paysite back online yet.. but when i do get them back online ill be using thier service for sure
its wayy better..

nice prices
and use my referal

i need some extra cash

Scraper · 06-17-2001, 06:00 PM

Hey, thanks X-Web.

I'm checking it out now...

mr. mpg · 06-17-2001, 06:15 PM

Whatever company you choose you better make sure they will be around for a while. Its better to go with a company like Ccbill or Ibill although they may or may not have more restrictions. Anyone who has used Digiblaze or Sypro would know what I am talking about.

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Crutch · 06-18-2001, 01:31 AM

In regards to processors being around for a while, that's the problem. You NEVER know who will be around in the future.

I dont know how long eveyone here has been in the business, but if you remember years back, there was the DMR issue. (Was AP involved with that mess?) DMR was the biggest and the most solid. Plus they had a great reputation. Then one day, they left taking millions of dollars of paysites money.

I'm going to move from WNU (Epoch) to Ibill or CCbill soon, since there latest issues of late payments. But even though CCBill and Ibill's been around for a while, NOTHING is gauranteed.

After the DMR thing, i still find it hard to sleep at night wondering if the processor i'm with is going to walk off and fold. That's the only thing about this business that's really tough to deal with. Nothing is secure and safe when your dealing with 3rd party processing.

All you can do is pick the one with the best history and cross your fingers....either that or spread your money through a few processors. Even though i'll be with ibill or CCbill soon, i'll still find it hard to sleep at night.

just my 1/2 a cent

Kimmykim · 06-19-2001, 11:59 AM

Well since you're talking about CCBill I'll stick my .02 in here.

There certainly isn't any guarantee that a processor will be around forever, nor is there any guarantee that net porn will be in its current form either.

When you're looking for a processor (and a backup, I would definitely recommend having two if you own a paysite) -- the ones with the most restrictions are probably the safest ones to go with. Reason being is that if the processor is following the Mastercard/VISA rules to the letter they are going to be restrictive, but they are also a whole lot less likely to get on the shit list with the cc's either.

CC's care about one thing -- the bottom line. They don't hate adult, they hate the public outcry that comes from processing adult sites that are cheaters, scammers and credit card slammers. It's much easier for the general public to raise the hue and cry about porn than it is to complain because a book delivery from amazon.com was two days late.

With the exception of AMEX, none of the companies we deal with -- MC, VISA, Discover, JCB -- have ever decided not to do business in adult, nor have they indicated any plans to that effect.

Some of the upstream companies (the ones that process trans for companies like CCBill, IBill, etc) that have gotten out of adult side of things are coming back in now that they see that chargebacks can and are being controlled. They aren't coming back to everyone, they are being very careful in selecting merchants to work with that fit in their guidelines.

Both MC and Visa have recently lowered their chargeback thresholds as well, not good but certainly a livable situation which probably doesn't affect the way many reputable companies currently scrub. So the sky's not falling, just a few clouds passing on the horizon.

Just a little fyi...

surreal · 06-19-2001, 12:44 PM

What about PayPal? Or InstaBill? Try them. I don't know if they allow porn though.

eRock · 06-19-2001, 01:06 PM

Netbilling.com...?

jeanette · 06-20-2001, 07:39 AM

DMR was solid?? hahahaha. I was with DMR and left them shortly before they folded, they were not a company that was very well put together. They updated their contracts at one point, but never updated mine and never put a clause in my original contract stating that I had to agree to new additions to the contract. So when I started using another processor and put DMR as my secondary, they closed my account. Then discovered that MY contract didn't allow for that and had to reopen it. I stopped using them altogether after that and they folded a few months later. I sort of lucked out on that and didn't lose too much revenue as a result.

CCBill is what I've used since, as far as I can tell, they are far less "restrictive" scrubbing wise then IBill is and given the things they have managed to survive without being shut down they are as stable a choice as you can hope for imho.

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06-15-2001, 10:40 AM	#1
Scraper Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Rainforest Posts: 182	CC Processors Hi all, I'm looking for a decent card/check processor that doesn't require a merchant account. CCBill & Ibill are becoming too restrictive, Globill doesn't look professional enough, and Verotel is trying to charge $15 extra on top of each chargeback! If you would recommend any please let me know. Thanks. Scotty.

06-15-2001, 02:01 PM	#2
Susan Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Amost UK central Posts: 772	Globill doesn't look professional enough ?

06-15-2001, 02:34 PM	#3
ldinternet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 8,245	http://www.pornresource.com/Guides/ProcessorsGuide Steer clear of SunBill, those fucknuts knowingly provide billing for child porn sites. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they were in on it all - like that keyz.com Landslide Inc. bullshit.

06-15-2001, 02:45 PM	#4
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	i am looking for a proccessor too but they all charge like 15% ------------------ Best Free CJ script Cjultra.com icq: 6757061

06-15-2001, 05:07 PM	#5
X-Web Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Langley, BC, Canada Posts: 357	http://www.2checkout.com/cgi-bin/aff.2c?affid=13003 What does it cost? There is a 1 time only set up fee of $49.00 for approved accounts. 2CheckOut collects a 5.5% commission on each sale plus a $0.45 charge per transaction. There are no leases, no monthly fees, no application fees, and no statement fees!! so go ahead signup at http://www.2checkout.com/cgi-bin/aff.2c?affid=13003

06-15-2001, 06:55 PM	#6
TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	X-Web - Are you using them for your adult sites, or has anyone ever used them for adult stuff. I see the website say's that they do adult stuff but I wasn't sure if that was for hard goods, or if website subscriptions counted also ?? Thanks. Tim

06-16-2001, 02:00 AM	#7
X-Web Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Langley, BC, Canada Posts: 357	i talked to them and they said they allow adult subscription based and products.. i currently havent used thier service as i havent got my paysite back online yet.. but when i do get them back online ill be using thier service for sure its wayy better.. nice prices and use my referal i need some extra cash

06-17-2001, 06:00 PM	#8
Scraper Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Rainforest Posts: 182	Hey, thanks X-Web. I'm checking it out now...

06-17-2001, 06:15 PM	#9
mr. mpg Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 140	Whatever company you choose you better make sure they will be around for a while. Its better to go with a company like Ccbill or Ibill although they may or may not have more restrictions. Anyone who has used Digiblaze or Sypro would know what I am talking about. ------------------ Webmasters... Need free gallery content? Tons of quality pics! Now with full FTP! XXXFreeHosting

06-18-2001, 12:05 AM	#10
MrCockTale Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands Posts: 669	Check out WNU ------------------ Life's a bitch

06-18-2001, 01:31 AM	#11
Crutch Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 224	In regards to processors being around for a while, that's the problem. You NEVER know who will be around in the future. I dont know how long eveyone here has been in the business, but if you remember years back, there was the DMR issue. (Was AP involved with that mess?) DMR was the biggest and the most solid. Plus they had a great reputation. Then one day, they left taking millions of dollars of paysites money. I'm going to move from WNU (Epoch) to Ibill or CCbill soon, since there latest issues of late payments. But even though CCBill and Ibill's been around for a while, NOTHING is gauranteed. After the DMR thing, i still find it hard to sleep at night wondering if the processor i'm with is going to walk off and fold. That's the only thing about this business that's really tough to deal with. Nothing is secure and safe when your dealing with 3rd party processing. All you can do is pick the one with the best history and cross your fingers....either that or spread your money through a few processors. Even though i'll be with ibill or CCbill soon, i'll still find it hard to sleep at night. just my 1/2 a cent

06-19-2001, 11:59 AM	#12
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Well since you're talking about CCBill I'll stick my .02 in here. There certainly isn't any guarantee that a processor will be around forever, nor is there any guarantee that net porn will be in its current form either. When you're looking for a processor (and a backup, I would definitely recommend having two if you own a paysite) -- the ones with the most restrictions are probably the safest ones to go with. Reason being is that if the processor is following the Mastercard/VISA rules to the letter they are going to be restrictive, but they are also a whole lot less likely to get on the shit list with the cc's either. CC's care about one thing -- the bottom line. They don't hate adult, they hate the public outcry that comes from processing adult sites that are cheaters, scammers and credit card slammers. It's much easier for the general public to raise the hue and cry about porn than it is to complain because a book delivery from amazon.com was two days late. With the exception of AMEX, none of the companies we deal with -- MC, VISA, Discover, JCB -- have ever decided not to do business in adult, nor have they indicated any plans to that effect. Some of the upstream companies (the ones that process trans for companies like CCBill, IBill, etc) that have gotten out of adult side of things are coming back in now that they see that chargebacks can and are being controlled. They aren't coming back to everyone, they are being very careful in selecting merchants to work with that fit in their guidelines. Both MC and Visa have recently lowered their chargeback thresholds as well, not good but certainly a livable situation which probably doesn't affect the way many reputable companies currently scrub. So the sky's not falling, just a few clouds passing on the horizon. Just a little fyi...

06-19-2001, 12:44 PM	#13
surreal Registered User Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Netherlands Posts: 21	What about PayPal? Or InstaBill? Try them. I don't know if they allow porn though.

06-19-2001, 01:06 PM	#14
eRock Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Chi-town Posts: 3,112	Netbilling.com...?

06-20-2001, 07:39 AM	#15
jeanette Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 37	DMR was solid?? hahahaha. I was with DMR and left them shortly before they folded, they were not a company that was very well put together. They updated their contracts at one point, but never updated mine and never put a clause in my original contract stating that I had to agree to new additions to the contract. So when I started using another processor and put DMR as my secondary, they closed my account. Then discovered that MY contract didn't allow for that and had to reopen it. I stopped using them altogether after that and they folded a few months later. I sort of lucked out on that and didn't lose too much revenue as a result. CCBill is what I've used since, as far as I can tell, they are far less "restrictive" scrubbing wise then IBill is and given the things they have managed to survive without being shut down they are as stable a choice as you can hope for imho. ------------------ ----------------------- Free hosting tgp posting allowed at http://www.pornouniverse.net