Comments about the new 2257 regulations and the porn industry in general.

[NoCarrier]

Most people here don't have a clue with what's really going on backstage. They think they can move the files offshore or think they are safe just because they only have double anal *softcore!?!* pictures.




Well, that's not my point. Some people here act like whining crack whores about the fact that the government is being hard with the porn industry.

I only have one question for you guys. Be honest.

Don't u think that with all the millions of free harcore pictures available on the net, and the "we don't give a fuck it's not my problem" attitude, we actually made it easier for the government extremists?

This industry is still very young if you think about it (The internet porn that is). Those new regulations is a slap in the face. But if everyone actually decided to self-regulate the industry, maybe we wouldn't have to face what's going on right now.

It's a fucking mess right now. Some people asked for it. Face your responbilities.

[tony286]

bingo

[rankscom]

Yeah, wonder how many sites aren't even properly labeled:
http://www.icra.org/

The easiest thing we could all do to avoid govt intervention....

[European Lee]

Originally posted by rankscom
Yeah, wonder how many sites aren't even properly labeled:
http://www.icra.org/

The easiest thing we could all do to avoid govt intervention....

Its only a matter of time before Microsoft starts to add parental control software to their IE application as standard.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/sec...9163890,00.htm

They are already starting work on shipping it with Frontpage.

Regards,

Lee

[StuBradley]

Originally posted by NoCarrier
...if everyone actually decided to self-regulate the industry, maybe we wouldn't have to face what's going on right now.

You really think that would stop the 'government extremists'?

[rankscom]

Originally posted by European Lee
Its only a matter of time before Microsoft starts to add parental control software to their IE application as standard.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/sec...9163890,00.htm

They are already starting work on shipping it with Frontpage.

Regards,

Lee

Yeah, that's a good thing... although I'm sure a small % of webmasters use Frontpage. Hopefully more html editors adopt the same partnership. But either way, any newbie can properly tag their sites.

Bottom line, every major browser today supports ICRA labeled parental filtering (and has been for yrs now), so webmasters not labeling are simply lazy and irresponsible.

[European Lee]

Originally posted by StuBradley
You really think that would stop the 'government extremists'?

Provide proof to the contrary

Regards,

Lee

[BRISK]

Don't you think it's a bit naive to think that this industry will ever self-regulate itself?

[NoCarrier]

Originally posted by BRISK
Don't you think it's a bit naive to think that this industry will ever self-regulate itself?

Don't you think it was a bit naive to think that the government would never do anything about it?

If the big players want to self-regulate the industry. They can do it.

[rankscom]

Originally posted by BRISK
Don't you think it's a bit naive to think that this industry will ever self-regulate itself?

Although your statement might be directed at the topic originator, I think if more attention was placed on ICRA tagging, this industry could avoid some major hastles. If say 90% of major adult sites were labeled, it would be a major cause for industry lobbyists could bring to congress to at least help defend self-regulation.

All it would take in my opinion is for major affiliate programs (or the like), to team up and require adult sites to be labeled to get paid! Even if there was a little more pressure on webmasters (maybe with an organization like ASACP), we would all be better off.

[graphicsbytia]

you must be joking.. the industry regulate itself? What could anyone possibly do to enforce this type of thing?

There are always going to be the renegades no matter what we do. Making yourself less of a target by following the rules seems the best way to me.

Webmasters have always used warning pages as a "show of good faith" as using them provides no legal protection at all. Has this helped?

Well I know one way it's helped.. it's helped anyone who wants to find a bunch of porn sites quickly.

Now there may be ways we can protect ourselves better, but regulating ourselves.... it'll never happen

[BRISK]

Originally posted by NoCarrier
Don't you think it was a bit naive to think that the government would never do anything about it?

If the big players want to self-regulate the industry. They can do it.

I don't think the government will never do anything about it. I fully expect them to, but I don't expect this industry to change the way it does things until they're forced to.

Expecting this industry to self-regulate itself is like trying to herd cats. It 'aint gonna happen.

[erehwon]

Originally posted by rankscom
All it would take in my opinion is for major affiliate programs (or the like), to team up and require adult sites to be labeled to get paid! Even if there was a little more pressure on webmasters (maybe with an organization like ASACP), we would all be better off.

Clickcash wouldn't pay me the first time unless I added this line on the page showing their content.

"All models on Wild Monkey Sex are 18 years of age or older at the time of depiction."

I have no problem with that, my designer at the time didn't think it was necessary at the time, but we have the warning page, the ICRA rating on the homepage and the mainpage.

I know its prolly losing some hits to the site, but its also traffic I don't need.

[NoCarrier]

Originally posted by graphicsbytia
Webmasters have always used warning pages as a "show of good faith".

I think you're the the one dreaming thinking that everyone really put a warning page for all their porn pages.

Don't you think it's time to talk about it and focus more on a "pre-emptive" strategy instead of always managing the aftermath? If you say that self-regulation in this industry is impossible then I guess we'll have to stop whining. And let the government decide what's best for this industry.

[graphicsbytia]

Originally posted by NoCarrier
I think you're the the one dreaming thinking that everyone really put a warning page for all their porn pages.

Don't you think it's time to talk about it and focus more on a "pre-emptive" strategy instead of always managing the aftermath? If you say that self-regulation in this industry is impossible then I guess we'll have to stop whining. And let the government decide what's best for this industry.

regulation means there will be consequences if people don't comply.. what are we gonna do, blacklist them? I don't think they'll care, do you?

[graphicsbytia]

like I said, I think it would be better to concentrate on how to protect ourselves better, and leave the regulating to the government.

[NoCarrier]

Originally posted by graphicsbytia
regulation means there will be consequences if people don't comply.. what are we gonna do, blacklist them? I don't think they'll care, do you?

So If you see everyone else is drinking and driving, you think that the most responsible way would be to do the same because that's what everyone else does?

If you're a sponsor, ask all your affiliates to register with a parent control software, or make sure that there is a warning page.. Or they don't get paid..

Look, I'm not here to bring a solution. I'm just saying it's time to do something about it.

[graphicsbytia]

Originally posted by NoCarrier
If you see someone drinking and driving because everyone else does it, do you think it's a responsible way to face the problem? If you're a sponsor, ask all your affiliates to register with a parent control software, or make sure that there is a warning page.. Look, I'm not here to bring a solution. I'm just saying it's time to do something about it.

I absolutely agree.. and we could build a little community of adult webmasters who do just that, regulate from within.. but that is not regulation of the industry all that is is a regulated community.

I've always wanted to see this kind of thing happen, but it has to start at the top.. some big sponsor has to start it and prove that it's a viable plan

[StarkReality]

The problem is that either way it's risky, waiting for the government to force us to change things may hurt business, using a pre-emptive strategy may hurt it as well when competitors don't do the same.

Reminds me alot on the TGP2 movement some time ago: Everybody thought it would be a great idea, but noone wanted to be the first offering less free porn and risking bookmarkers this way, so this concept that would have made everybody more money never became really popular.

Same situation today, everybody is waiting for others to make the first step...and it will continue this way until a law forces people to change things.

I don't say self regulation is impossible, but it needs the big guys to speak up and start changing things. Until this day, everybody will keep dreaming of no more free hardcore on the net and all the money that could be made if surfers always had to pay for XXX...

[graphicsbytia]

I've been in the porn business since '97

I dreamed of a no hardcore adult industry then, and I still dream of it now 7 years later

Government regulation was the only link missing in that beautiful plan because there will always be someone wanting to try to make a quick buck by showing hardcore.

Bookmarkers.. yes tgp owners and webmasters who submit to tgp oppose each other like a tug of war

[BRISK]

Traffic takes the path of least resistance.

[graphicsbytia]

Originally posted by BRISK
Traffic takes the path of least resistance.

exactly

[NoCarrier]

Originally posted by StarkReality
The problem is that either way it's risky, waiting for the government to force us to change things may hurt business, using a pre-emptive strategy may hurt it as well when competitors don't do the same.

Well, that's kinda ironic. Because right now, the winners are everyone outside the United States. If you guys don't do shit about it, we'll just take care of your traffic. Thanks guys.

[exposed]

good thread

personally I say fuck the government they are corrupt as fuck

guidelines still need followed if you don't want to get owned by them tho HEH

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

yeah when sponsors try to rip off surfers selling fake penis growth pills... that really helps mess things up IMO

[Beastiepoo]

Originally posted by StarkReality
The problem is that either way it's risky, waiting for the government to force us to change things may hurt business, using a pre-emptive strategy may hurt it as well when competitors don't do the same.

Reminds me alot on the TGP2 movement some time ago: Everybody thought it would be a great idea, but noone wanted to be the first offering less free porn and risking bookmarkers this way, so this concept that would have made everybody more money never became really popular.

Same situation today, everybody is waiting for others to make the first step...and it will continue this way until a law forces people to change things.

I don't say self regulation is impossible, but it needs the big guys to speak up and start changing things. Until this day, everybody will keep dreaming of no more free hardcore on the net and all the money that could be made if surfers always had to pay for XXX...

Just a quick The TGP2 movement had more fundemental flaws than just that (and still has). It's still just about around though and can be a useful tool but never was going to be anything other than the thing it became. (hmmmm...on reading that back it sort of makes sense ).