Average rebills per member?? - GoFuckYourself.com

Donnie Gangsta · 08-23-2004, 10:59 PM

Hey everybody who owns paysites,

What is your average rebill length per member/per converted trial? Just trying to get a consensus of what other people think...

fr8 · 08-23-2004, 11:31 PM

Bump. I would also like to see some retention information.

Donnie Gangsta · 08-23-2004, 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by fr8
Bump. I would also like to see some retention information.

I think the days of getting a response to any business oriented question on GFY are long gone... thought I'd give it a shot though

freeadultcontent · 08-23-2004, 11:47 PM

For us averages 4 months.
Happy now?

Now this is not true of all sites in our network or true of many members. It is purely an average across the sites.

BRISK · 08-23-2004, 11:47 PM

This thread will be filled with revshare site owners claiming that their average member rebills for 6 months

A C · 08-23-2004, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
I think the days of getting a response to any business oriented question on GFY are long gone... thought I'd give it a shot though

amen

Donnie Gangsta · 08-23-2004, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by freeadultcontent
For us averages 4 months.
Happy now?

Now this is not true of all sites in our network or true of many members. It is purely an average across the sites.

What pricing gives you 4 months average?

This is per CONVERTED member or if you don't have a trial just how many total rebills including the first month...

08-23-2004, 11:52 PM

when I asked a similar question, people exploded on me!

freeadultcontent · 08-23-2004, 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
What pricing gives you 4 months average?

This is per CONVERTED member or if you don't have a trial just how many total rebills including the first month...

I averaged across sites with different pricing models, and then each of those also has different price points.

I can say this.
Generally if I phase out trials after a site reaches a certain active rebilling member number.
Often my trials are 9.95 for 2 days and 24.95 for 30 days.
Nearly all of my sites are close between 24.95 to 29.95 per month.

freeadultcontent · 08-24-2004, 12:01 AM

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Originally posted by bdjuf
when I asked a similar question, people exploded on me!

I must of missed it. Or I was in a bad mood. Sharing base info that is not to secretive I have no issue with. Hell my affiliates could come up with these numbers to a degree if they did the math.

Snake Doctor · 08-24-2004, 12:12 AM

Why not share your own numbers Donnie?

Also, if someone has a spreadsheet I can plug the sales/rebill numbers into I could give you an answer for all the sites I promote.

freeadultcontent · 08-24-2004, 12:13 AM

are we done here? We did reach the required 10 posts in a biz thread I think.

freeadultcontent · 08-24-2004, 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by Lenny2
Why not share your own numbers Donnie?

Also, if someone has a spreadsheet I can plug the sales/rebill numbers into I could give you an answer for all the sites I promote.

Umm I am not that friendly with my numbers.

xxxdesign-net · 08-24-2004, 12:19 AM

well.. another question is how many years does it take for a program/site to be able to figure this out... 2-3 years until the vast majority stop rebilling..? You can always try to figure this out with graphs and try to find a pattern.. but too lazy...

Snake Doctor · 08-24-2004, 12:21 AM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent
Umm I am not that friendly with my numbers.

I meant a blank spreadsheet man, I don't care how many sales you're doing.

I just don't have the "formula" so to speak to figure out what average retention is on the sites I promote, I just have raw sales and rebill numbers.

{fusion} · 08-24-2004, 12:23 AM

bump. good thread

sixxxthsense · 08-24-2004, 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by bdjuf
when I asked a similar question, people exploded on me!

because people fear others in this biz! fucking ignorant idiots!

freeadultcontent · 08-24-2004, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lenny2
I meant a blank spreadsheet man, I don't care how many sales you're doing.

I just don't have the "formula" so to speak to figure out what average retention is on the sites I promote, I just have raw sales and rebill numbers.

Ahh ok that makes more sense.

To show my sheer stupidity. Fiancee deals with the basic accounting, spreadsheets, etc. She attended college for that sort of thing.

SykkBoy · 08-24-2004, 12:29 AM

for us it;'s hard to give an accurate answer only because our sites haven't been around long enough with all of the features in place that are improving the retention (example, members joining the last couple months have been retaining better than those who first hit the sites 5-6-7 months ago due to new retention features, playing with pricing points, etc.

Ours also vary depending upon if they were sent to the trial option (which doesn't give full site access) and what they were promised on the site that sent them (someone telling a surfer he'd find a lot of hardcore action on our big tit site won't have near the conversions as that of the surfer who is a true breast fetishist).

Donnie, if you make it out to the gathering tomorrow night, we can discuss it more ;-))

freeadultcontent · 08-24-2004, 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by SykkBoy2
for us it;'s hard to give an accurate answer only because our sites haven't been around long enough with all of the features in place that are improving the retention (example, members joining the last couple months have been retaining better than those who first hit the sites 5-6-7 months ago due to new retention features, playing with pricing points, etc.

Ours also vary depending upon if they were sent to the trial option (which doesn't give full site access) and what they were promised on the site that sent them (someone telling a surfer he'd find a lot of hardcore action on our big tit site won't have near the conversions as that of the surfer who is a true breast fetishist).

Donnie, if you make it out to the gathering tomorrow night, we can discuss it more ;-))

Very true. Stuff here is also constantly evolving and we do not have as much hard long term data as a paysite that has been up 3+ years.

TheMob · 08-24-2004, 12:33 AM

interesting thread, there's no accurate way anyone could give you numbers

Donnie Gangsta · 08-24-2004, 12:45 AM

I'll give my #'s... 3 rebills per converted trial or 3 rebills per initial monthly.. this is after 18 months of real data to look at.. before this we didn't really track it too much... pricing point doesn't seem to affect this from what I can tell.. something drastically cheaper like $9.95/monthly will give an extra month or two but big deal when it's so cheap..

Snake Doctor · 08-24-2004, 12:51 AM

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Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
I'll give my #'s... 3 rebills per converted trial or 3 rebills per initial monthly.. this is after 18 months of real data to look at.. before this we didn't really track it too much... pricing point doesn't seem to affect this from what I can tell.. something drastically cheaper like $9.95/monthly will give an extra month or two but big deal when it's so cheap..

Do you have a formula you use to figure this out or are these the numbers the processor gives you?

Donnie Gangsta · 08-24-2004, 12:57 AM

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Originally posted by Lenny2
Do you have a formula you use to figure this out or are these the numbers the processor gives you?

Our processing is in house (except back-up) .. we just have it coded into our stats system to record member activity for members by the date they joined so we basically just go back and look at the aggregate total for like say January '03 and we can see the total transactions (Rebills/conversions/initial monthly, etc) and divide the transactions by the # of new members we had in January, etc.... I wouldn't know how to figure it out manually really.. I guess you would just add up all the sign ups you got for a certain month and figure out how many rebills you got from those particular sign ups if you could figure it out..

Snake Doctor · 08-24-2004, 01:00 AM

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Originally posted by Donnie Gangsta
Our processing is in house (except back-up) .. we just have it coded into our stats system to record member activity for members by the date they joined so we basically just go back and look at the aggregate total for like say January '03 and we can see the total transactions (Rebills/conversions/initial monthly, etc) and divide the transactions by the # of new members we had in January, etc.... I wouldn't know how to figure it out manually really.. I guess you would just add up all the sign ups you got for a certain month and figure out how many rebills you got from those particular sign ups if you could figure it out..

I've tried figuring it out manually and never could, real pain in the ass.

Best I can come up with is trial conversion % and monthly retention %.
Then try to project those percentages out over 6 months or so to get an idea......like I said, real pain in the ass.

08-24-2004, 02:11 AM

from trial -> rebill average is 27%.

08-23-2004, 10:59 PM	#1
Donnie Gangsta Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,104	Average rebills per member?? Hey everybody who owns paysites, What is your average rebill length per member/per converted trial? Just trying to get a consensus of what other people think...

08-23-2004, 11:31 PM	#2
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08-23-2004, 11:47 PM	#4
freeadultcontent Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: "evitcepsrep ruoy egnahc" Posts: 9,976	For us averages 4 months. Happy now? Now this is not true of all sites in our network or true of many members. It is purely an average across the sites. __________________ Exclusive Ethnic & Microniche Sites

08-23-2004, 11:47 PM	#5
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	This thread will be filled with revshare site owners claiming that their average member rebills for 6 months __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

08-24-2004, 12:12 AM	#11
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	Why not share your own numbers Donnie? Also, if someone has a spreadsheet I can plug the sales/rebill numbers into I could give you an answer for all the sites I promote. __________________ sig too big

08-23-2004, 11:52 PM	#8
buddyjuf Guest Posts: n/a	when I asked a similar question, people exploded on me!

08-24-2004, 12:13 AM	#12
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08-24-2004, 12:19 AM	#14
xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	well.. another question is how many years does it take for a program/site to be able to figure this out... 2-3 years until the vast majority stop rebilling..? You can always try to figure this out with graphs and try to find a pattern.. but too lazy... Last edited by xxxdesign-net; 08-24-2004 at 12:21 AM..

08-24-2004, 12:23 AM	#16
{fusion} Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,650	bump. good thread

08-24-2004, 12:29 AM	#19
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	for us it;'s hard to give an accurate answer only because our sites haven't been around long enough with all of the features in place that are improving the retention (example, members joining the last couple months have been retaining better than those who first hit the sites 5-6-7 months ago due to new retention features, playing with pricing points, etc. Ours also vary depending upon if they were sent to the trial option (which doesn't give full site access) and what they were promised on the site that sent them (someone telling a surfer he'd find a lot of hardcore action on our big tit site won't have near the conversions as that of the surfer who is a true breast fetishist). Donnie, if you make it out to the gathering tomorrow night, we can discuss it more ;-)) __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

08-24-2004, 12:33 AM	#21
TheMob Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: 2006 Posts: 8,584	interesting thread, there's no accurate way anyone could give you numbers

08-24-2004, 12:45 AM	#22
Donnie Gangsta Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,104	I'll give my #'s... 3 rebills per converted trial or 3 rebills per initial monthly.. this is after 18 months of real data to look at.. before this we didn't really track it too much... pricing point doesn't seem to affect this from what I can tell.. something drastically cheaper like $9.95/monthly will give an extra month or two but big deal when it's so cheap..

08-24-2004, 02:11 AM	#26
Alex Xe Guest Posts: n/a	from trial -> rebill average is 27%.