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chase · 08-18-2004, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
The ignore button is there for one reason man, idiots. You see theking posting in this thread five times, I can almost guarantee at least two of his posts are directed at me, and he calls me "richie boy" at least once. Thanks to the ignore list I don't have to listen to the useless ramblings of an old brainwashed man anymore.

Consider putting that fool who's fucking with you on ignore and walking away.

Ya ya, I know, but I usually enjoy a good debate. I got a bit bent out of shape on this one; not too typical of me, truely.
And watch calling me an idiot or YOU'll be on my ignore list!

Webby · 08-18-2004, 05:22 PM

Rich:

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Fascism is fun.

How about this little beauty? Not a taser, but involving pepper spray and a straight up ass kicking of a totally innocent women. I'm sure you'll defend this one too.

Agree! Sadly facism is alive and well in the US currently. If it were elsewhere that shit would be immediate dismissal/suspension and pending legal action - not some PR publicity excercise controlled by the Police Dept.

Add to this that the US is now a country where citizens have little remaining "rights", a country that operates "concentration camps" (under another guise) and can see justification for holding kids in them from age 12 upwards without trial/legal representation. A country with is actually having a "debate" about the legal rights of it's own citizens to have a day in court. A country that has a law which means anyone carrying $10K on public transport (Amtrak), can have this confiscated without reason. The list is endless....

Meanwhile we discuss the finer points of stem cell research, watch Kobi Bryant "trials by TV" and debate over same sex marriages... sad shit...

Yep... facism is breeding nicely. But we are sitting on God's right side - the righteous side - that makes it all "nice :-)

chase · 08-18-2004, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by WarChild
Bingo.

And thus ends the demonstration.

You know what? I'm not so "ignorant" that I don't see your point. However, I have said that from the beginning, no?
Based on what I know of the situation, I still stick to my guns. Even a jury is not guaranteed to know the full story.....they have to make their decision based on the evidence as it's presented to them. There are many things that are inadmissable or simply not discovered in a trial, too, but the jurors work with what they know.
Again, you've had my admission from the beginning that it wasn't a choice I personally would have made, and that I am not aware of the whole circumstances, but, based on the information as it was reported on the news story and what I saw in the video, I don't feel that the police exhausted every non-violent option before resorting to a taser. I, obviously, am not alone if that opinion, just as you aren't alone in yours.
I have enjoyed sparring with you, even if I did lose my temper at some point, lol, I suppose that's par for the course around here.
At this point I think it would be wise that we agree to disagree and commend each other on our persistance and dedication to our principles, which, in spite of our little fued, I'm sure are more similar than we know.

ADL Colin · 08-18-2004, 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
That is a clue as to the balanced judgement, cultural background (wot culture? *s*) and arrogance that makes the US so great. It is idiots like stupid cops - tho they are no different to anyone, - who have nada comprehension of *anything* and a total lacking in ability to relate.

Similarly, irrespective how "frustrated" the guy may have been, again, - there is time to quit the crap. "Judgement" again....

There is one thing that stands out miles about the "handling" of stuff by US folks. I have never seen such a passive nation (in reality) who "accept" what they are told with nothing other than superficial questioning of "why". People seem to just do as they are told - by any asshole who happens to be passing. Often this can have absolutely no logic or reasoning attached.

This spreads from daily domestic life to as far as Iraq where forces, unlike the majority of other nations forces, are simply not equipped either mentally or otherwise to "relate" to anyone. All the know is how to kill people - I've spoken to some who are "proud" of this "achievement".

If the amount of official uniforms (from policer officers to whoever) were displayed on a daily basis in other nations as they are in the US - they'd be told to go get fucked. But.. I suppose this is part of a police state that covers it's ass disguised as a "democracy".

At the same time there are plenty US folks, both "officials" and otherwise, who have a brain in their heads and can manage "scenarios" - I've seen some excellent "handling" of "incidents" in the past there. I suppose it is down to the quality of the individual, as ususal, in the end.

Come on now, Webby. We both know the US leads the world in prisoners. That's because they DIDN'T "do as they are told". Your thesis is dead.

ADL Colin · 08-18-2004, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
A country with is actually having a "debate" about the legal rights of it's own citizens to have a day in court.

That's a recurring debate in US history from it's founding to the present. Nothing new there. The only thing that changed is your constant reminder of it in whatever strange rags you read that harp on and on about "fascist George Bush" - articles obviously written by people who've read other articles with the same opinion but apparently no history books in there.

WarChild · 08-18-2004, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by chase
You know what? I'm not so "ignorant" that I don't see your point. However, I have said that from the beginning, no?
Based on what I know of the situation, I still stick to my guns. Even a jury is not guaranteed to know the full story.....they have to make their decision based on the evidence as it's presented to them. There are many things that are inadmissable or simply not discovered in a trial, too, but the jurors work with what they know.
Again, you've had my admission from the beginning that it wasn't a choice I personally would have made, and that I am not aware of the whole circumstances, but, based on the information as it was reported on the news story and what I saw in the video, I don't feel that the police exhausted every non-violent option before resorting to a taser. I, obviously, am not alone if that opinion, just as you aren't alone in yours.
I have enjoyed sparring with you, even if I did lose my temper at some point, lol, I suppose that's par for the course around here.
At this point I think it would be wise that we agree to disagree and commend each other on our persistance and dedication to our principles, which, in spite of our little fued, I'm sure are more similar than we know.

To each their own!

Webby · 08-18-2004, 05:57 PM

Colin:

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Come on now, Webby. We both know the US leads the world in prisoners. That's because they DIDN'T "do as they are told". Your thesis is dead.

Sorry Colin!! I was trying hard to be "nice" and not too hard-hitting!! :-)

And I did not wish to become a "terrorist" or "enemy of the state" - it's easier just to live life quietly rather than spend 20 years in a jail cell in the US for "thinking" :-)

BUT.. Now you mention it.....

Fletch XXX · 08-18-2004, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by WarChild
How can you determine that THIS particular instance was in fact abuse?

Children and old women are irrelevant to the argument of IF THIS CASE was abuse of power or not.

where do you people come up with these arguments?

this is a thread where OBVIOUSLY people are DEBATING whether or not this IS abuse or not.

give it a rest, I linked an article about a girl who got tasered, argue it all you want, im eating my sandwich and dont care

nener neener neener

ADL Colin · 08-18-2004, 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
this is a thread where OBVIOUSLY people are DEBATING whether or not this IS abuse or not.

There's more than one debate in the thread.

1. Is it abuse? (not enough info)
2. Was the guy a moron? (definitely!)
3. Is Rick obsessed with George Bush? (absolutely!)
4. Why is Webby always so damned nice?

Webby · 08-18-2004, 06:19 PM

Colin:

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That's a recurring debate in US history from it's founding to the present. Nothing new there. The only thing that changed is your constant reminder of it in whatever strange rags you read that harp on and on about "fascist George Bush" - articles obviously written by people who've read other articles with the same opinion but apparently no history books in there.

You mean to say that a nation that regards itself as a "leader" internationally, has not even sorted their own back yard out regarding "justice" to their own citizens?? There is one serious fundamental lacking someplace....

Me being critical of George?? ME?? :-) The man is a total imbecile - clearly the worst leader of any western nation with absolutely no comprehension of anything other than cows on his "ranch". (Tho even that is questionable - the term "candy store cowboy" keeps popping up). I can't say Bush as an individual is the author of his "doctrine" - there is little doubt he is a puppet being fed. On "facism" - tho there is a way to go yet - this is one very right-wing government that cloaks itself in ... well... lies and deceit, proclaiming "righteousness" and "moral superiority". It is not a government that can talk about "democracy" except in propaganda terms.

Forgetting any political shit - the sooner this asshole and his "crime family" are evicted from power - the better off the US people will be. *Anyone* can do a better job in a more honorable manner than that lump of lying/conspiring trash. Ah.. I'm being "critical" :-)

BTW.. Na.. I don't read some crap news stuff about Bush - I look *very* hard at him - his thinking is *very* transparent - a *very* shallow and fickle guy with some "tendencies" that show some kind of "addictive personality" :-)

PS I'm waiting to see what "story" needs debate in the Whitehouse over a National Intelligence Director now - that's gonna bring a smile

Rest assured it will be the usual crap!

ADL Colin · 08-18-2004, 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
Colin:

You mean to say that a nation that regards itself as a "leader" internationally, has not even sorted their own back yard out regarding "justice" to their own citizens?? There is one serious fundamental lacking someplace....

Me being critical of George?? ME?? :-) The man is a total imbecile - clearly the worst leader of any western nation with absolutely no comprehension of anything other than cows on his "ranch". (Tho even that is questionable - the term "candy store cowboy" keeps popping up). I can't say Bush as an individual is the author of his "doctrine" - there is little doubt he is a puppet being fed. On "facism" - tho there is a way to go yet - this is one very right-wing government that cloaks itself in ... well... lies and deceit, proclaiming "righteousness" and "moral superiority". It is not a government that can talk about "democracy" except in propaganda terms.

Forgetting any political shit - the sooner this asshole and his "crime family" are evicted from power - the better off the US people will be. *Anyone* can do a better job in a more honorable manner than that lump of lying/conspiring trash. Ah.. I'm being "critical" :-)

BTW.. Na.. I don't read some crap news stuff about Bush - I look *very* hard at him - his thinking is *very* transparent - a *very* shallow and fickle guy with some "tendencies" that show some kind of "addictive personality" :-)

PS I'm waiting to see what "story" needs debate in the Whitehouse over a National Intelligence Director now - that's gonna bring a smile Rest assured it will be the usual crap!

Any reference to the US as a "police state" is nothing but parroting. Its no such thing and no different than any other time in its history. In fact it's a much better place today than it was in, say, 1950.

"a nation that regards itself as a "leader" internationally, has not even sorted their own back yard out regarding "justice" to their own citizens?? " And it never will "sort it out".. The debate between security and liberty will be an issue for the rest of US history just as it always has been.

Webby · 08-18-2004, 06:36 PM

Colin:

Just thinking Colin - Bush reminds me of a manager I had - Bush even looks like him.

This guy was a good manager at a level, tho he had not one original thought in his head :-) But give him the "rule book" and "words" and he will give earache to anyone concerned and indoctrinate them "how it should be done" and "how it is".

I do think Bush as a man is on that level. He is not any kind of "entrepreneur" or "initiator" without prompting from others. His prior track record/business failures also seem to suggest this.

He could also do with some improvement in his ability to speak and get the words in the right order :-)

Webby · 08-18-2004, 06:53 PM

Colin:

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Any reference to the US as a "police state" is nothing but parroting.

Na... don't agree! The US "is" a police state. It is a country overloaded on laws and where there was a policy of creating a "profitable prison system" with prison construction contracts going to "friends". They could not build prisons quick enough and populate them a few years back.

There are more "law enforcement" pro rata than any western nation. Since several basic "rights" have been removed from citizens - this again is the pattern of a police state.

When members of the security services visit citizens at home in attempts to persude them not to "protest" and shut up - that again is a police state in action. If that happened in my country - they would be told to fuck off and kicked out the door.

I actually had one "incident" (not related to the above) with a brain dead "US governement officer" in the past. He "assumed" I was going to do as I was told, or rather he wanted me to do this. He was told to fuck off very bluntly - what he was asking was "not proper". Eventually I got an apology from some who had more sense.

There are many indicators of "police state" and this is not "parrotting" - it is a fact of life and is well-known. It's all about "control" - I can't think of any western country that has this degree of "control" over their own people.

Push this scenario a little further and it is getting kinda close to other known police states in history..

Mr Pheer · 08-18-2004, 06:57 PM

If you dont like the USA, move. Nobody is stopping you and I doubt anyone would care or even miss you.

infecto · 08-18-2004, 07:00 PM

You people are fucking idiots...it was a barricade...a barricade means you need to stop. While they don't say what it was for it could ahve been anything from a tree being down in the road to id check. This guy no matter what kind of stress he was in was being a fucking idiot and trying to rush. He deserved what he got for being a dumb fuck. While I am not saying there are not tons of cases where cops misuse there power this was not one of them.

Lets look at this in the eyes of a cop who has to think as quick as possible to solve a problem. They guy is going to pass a police barricade...if he is this stupid what is going to make him stop when one of the cops goes after him...for all they know he might have been up to no good for whatever reason or maybe he was high/drunk and thats why he ran the barricade...Now they have some crazy guy driving down the road endangering the lives of innocent people. Shoot the damn fucktard with a taser, he dies its his fault. And yeah the kids saw what happened but the cops didn't put him in that situation he did.

Webby · 08-18-2004, 07:04 PM

Colin:

PS... How do you like to have *every* bit of mail delivered - but after this had been opened by the USPS? For six months this happened to me - they missed one day in that six months when they presumably failed to check the mail.

There was absolutely nothing of "interest" in this - most of it was of less interest to me than them :-)

I found out why sometime later - this was a "standard" check on all incoming mail to the US from locations where US citizens "may" have had bank accounts and the USPS acting as a branch of the "intel" services :-) This was prior to any 9/11 stuff.

Some call that an "invasion of privacy". Tho.. frankly, I did not give a damn - I call it a police state

Webby · 08-18-2004, 07:09 PM

MrPheer:

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If you dont like the USA, move. Nobody is stopping you and I doubt anyone would care or even miss you.

That is one parrot-fashion-off-the-cuff response when there is nothing else to offer.

The comments were about the current US government - nothing to do with the US as a whole. I noticed you never even attempted to address these.

As for "moving" - I did just that. I have no problem with the US, or any other country, tho the US is certainly not a place I'd have any desire to live, especially these days.

Rich · 08-18-2004, 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by Colin
That's a recurring debate in US history from it's founding to the present. Nothing new there. The only thing that changed is your constant reminder of it in whatever strange rags you read that harp on and on about "fascist George Bush" - articles obviously written by people who've read other articles with the same opinion but apparently no history books in there.

hmm, show me the last time American citizens born in America had to fight for the right to a fair trial. I must have missed that in my history classes, I guess they only teach the real history in Ivy league schools.

Rich · 08-18-2004, 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
Rich:

Agree! Sadly facism is alive and well in the US currently. If it were elsewhere that shit would be immediate dismissal/suspension and pending legal action - not some PR publicity excercise controlled by the Police Dept.

Add to this that the US is now a country where citizens have little remaining "rights", a country that operates "concentration camps" (under another guise) and can see justification for holding kids in them from age 12 upwards without trial/legal representation. A country with is actually having a "debate" about the legal rights of it's own citizens to have a day in court. A country that has a law which means anyone carrying $10K on public transport (Amtrak), can have this confiscated without reason. The list is endless....

Meanwhile we discuss the finer points of stem cell research, watch Kobi Bryant "trials by TV" and debate over same sex marriages... sad shit...

Yep... facism is breeding nicely. But we are sitting on God's right side - the righteous side - that makes it all "nice :-)

I couldn't agree more.

Rich · 08-18-2004, 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by chase
Ya ya, I know, but I usually enjoy a good debate. I got a bit bent out of shape on this one; not too typical of me, truely.
And watch calling me an idiot or YOU'll be on my ignore list!

heh, you know what I was saying right?

Not that you're a moron, that the ignore list is meant for morons.

wdsguy · 08-18-2004, 07:25 PM

don't ever fuck with the police, lesson learned

Pleasurepays · 08-18-2004, 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
Colin:

PS... How do you like to have *every* bit of mail delivered - but after this had been opened by the USPS? For six months this happened to me - they missed one day in that six months when they presumably failed to check the mail.

Oh my God. This is possibly the most insane thing i have ever heard anyone on GFY say.

Delusional and borderline psychotic.

Webby · 08-18-2004, 07:27 PM

Colin:

Ok.. Last example!! *lol*

I knew some webmasters who were in the US. For some.. hell knows why reason, they had the attention of "intel services" - tho they had no "connections" to anything/anyone that had anything to do with "intell". They were just plain webmasters :-)
This was before 9/11 times.

The day came when they were departing the US and "intell" advised them that they would be met in their home country by some security officers when they got off the plane. Kind of em :-)

They arrived back home and a couple of their own "intell" officers met them. They had a coffee and a 15 minute chat - there was some "amusement" about "crazy US intelligence" and they all shook hands and went on their way.

Tell ya.. definately a police state in action!!!

Webby · 08-18-2004, 07:31 PM

PleasurePays:

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Oh my God. This is possibly the most insane thing i have ever heard anyone on GFY say.

Delusional and borderline psychotic.

Don't you even know that the USPS is an arm of "intell"??? If not, just ask your own government!

I had it explained to me by one of their officers in the presence of four other people - you gotta be in disneyworld!!

It must have been Mickey Mouse that ripped the mail open on a daily basis!!

Webby · 08-18-2004, 07:35 PM

PleasurePays:

BTW.. Instead of talking crap... take a lesson out of that to cover your own ass and your "offshore bank accounts"/corps - which of course, you don't have or even think of having

Pleasurepays · 08-18-2004, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
PleasurePays:

Don't you even know that the USPS is an arm of "intell"??? If not, just ask your own government!

I had it explained to me by one of their officers in the presence of four other people - you gotta be in disneyworld!!

It must have been Mickey Mouse that ripped the mail open on a daily basis!!

Maybe it was your neighbor ripping the mail open? Maybe it was one of you 150 other personalities that thinks Bush is coming to get him?

Maybe you have not even bothered to stop and think for 1 second, what it woudl involve for the US Government to open and read/review your mail for "intell", the warrants that would be required, the legal process, the people involved, the paper trail etc etc? Are you trying to convince us there was a CIA sponsored "Operation Webby" to read your mail because Bush said so?

Holy shit! You are completely insane.

Pleasurepays · 08-18-2004, 07:47 PM

Please feel free to get the last word in, while i take my wife out to dinner and for a walk on the beach in our horrible and oppressive police state. If i spot any black sedans following us or helicopters, i will be sure to get with you and compare notes!

Face (o_0) · 08-18-2004, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by NoCarrier
We can't see shit on the video.. But anyway, I think that using the Taser in front of his kids was force abuse.

We are not aguing about the fact that he was a moron trying to get back to his house.. We all know he was not allowed.

yup... i admit it was wrong in front of his kids... but hey, if hes gona be an asshole in front of his kids, he's gona get a beatdown in front of his kids

theking · 08-18-2004, 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by Pleasurepays
Oh my God. This is possibly the most insane thing i have ever heard anyone on GFY say.

Delusional and borderline psychotic.

Both Webby and Richie boy are delusional and...sorry to correct you...are psychotic. One hears voices in his head that tells him he owns 3 of the largest Casinos on the net...in addition he has three degrees (this is the pyscho Richie boy) and the other lives in some fatansy land that he believes is paradise when in fact it is basically third world (this is Webby). Both have a dislike for the people of the US...the US Government and in Webby's case he has called for the assassination of the US President...multiple times and has even offered to be the assassinator...thus is an enemy of the United States of America. They are both more than ridiculous which equals pig shit.

Mr Pheer · 08-18-2004, 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
MrPheer:

That is one parrot-fashion-off-the-cuff response when there is nothing else to offer.

The comments were about the current US government - nothing to do with the US as a whole. I noticed you never even attempted to address these.

As for "moving" - I did just that. I have no problem with the US, or any other country, tho the US is certainly not a place I'd have any desire to live, especially these days.

I'm not parroting, that is truly how i feel. I served this country for 7 years and I love it here.

The good outweighs the bad by far. Typing about shit on a message board about how fucked up the government is, is just a waste of time. So either move, or take proactive steps to change things. Get out and vote, send letters to congress, or if you think you can do the job better, run for some goverment office yourself. Thats whats great about the free country we live in here. If you're unhappy, you are free to leave, or do something about it to make it better.

Webby · 08-18-2004, 08:01 PM

PleasurePays:

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Maybe it was your neighbor ripping the mail open? Maybe it was one of you 150 other personalities that thinks Bush is coming to get him?

Why do you have this "tendency" to utter a load of crap with "possibilities" that would have been "cleared" at an early stage?

If you could read - there was a reason given for opening the mail. The reason was stated above. No.. it was not Mickey Mouse or the next door neighbor that ripped the mail open.

As for Bush coming to get me.. Whoa hang on! *lol*

This shit all occurred prior to 9/11 - it is not something new. I'd hate to think what is happening now.

OK asshole! Another example of a "police state". I sent.. under $500 to a friend in the US to get some stuff for me. That sparked a series of "incidents" which showed how fucking stupid things are.

This person was actually "cuffed" outside school while collecting kids and taken into custody. As explained to me later, this person was "not going to play time wasting games" with the law and refused to discuss the issue with them. After a while it had to be made clear to them that they had "cuffed" one of their own - a "US govt officer"! This was the person I had sent some funds to. I never knew anything about this till after it was over else I'd be on the phone "explaining" exactly what I sent and why and accompanying this with a few "fuck off's".

There is ... among the shit and cockups.. good reason for "security" and is understandable currently. But this is more than a farce - it's fucking ludicrous! It's not of my biz and I am not asking/telling, but I know that "incident" fucked up some other stuff for that person and screwed up months of inquiries/work.

This ain't some crap "story" - it is a fact of life and happening this year. Don't bullshit me with still more stupid "angles" on neighbors ripping mail open etc - It's too pathetic!!

Get into the real world for just one second!!

infecto · 08-18-2004, 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by MrPheer
I'm not parroting, that is truly how i feel. I served this country for 7 years and I love it here.

The good outweighs the bad by far. Typing about shit on a message board about how fucked up the government is, is just a waste of time. So either move, or take proactive steps to change things. Get out and vote, send letters to congress, or if you think you can do the job better, run for some goverment office yourself. Thats whats great about the free country we live in here. If you're unhappy, you are free to leave, or do something about it to make it better.

You hit the nail on the head. Nothign is ever perfect, the US is by far perfect but thats what makes life interesting. There are always going to be those that take advantage of power no matter where you live. By far the US is one of the best nations to live in. More opportunity here they alot of other places, even in europe.

pornguy · 08-18-2004, 08:05 PM

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Originally posted by Colin
So the storm is gone. That means nothing. The cleanup lasts a long time. Down here in Miami we had an insane situation for weeks after Andrew.

Why do you think they still have a barricade? The situation is not cool.

Step on a downed powerline and die. The guy trying to cross the line is a moron.

Very good points. Only the problems with andrew lasted months.

There were as many people killed after the storm as there were during. The sad thing is that then the families sued the cities for allowing them to go back to an unsafe area.

The police are there for a reason. And while is may suck to be away from what is left of your home. you have to use the laws for what they were made for . And that is to help keep general peace.

I say that the guy was an ass for trying to take his children into an area like that.

Webby · 08-18-2004, 08:06 PM

theKing:

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Both Webby and Richie boy are delusional

The world is delusional -- sorry apart from a drunken "has been" with delusional of "military grandeur" and "superiority"....

Go get fuck or something King.. you are a surviving aborted fetus incapable of further development and marinated in booze!

theking · 08-18-2004, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
PleasurePays:

Why do you have this "tendency" to utter a load of crap with "possibilities" that would have been "cleared" at an early stage?

If you could read - there was a reason given for opening the mail. The reason was stated above. No.. it was not Mickey Mouse or the next door neighbor that ripped the mail open.

As for Bush coming to get me.. Whoa hang on! *lol*

This shit all occurred prior to 9/11 - it is not something new. I'd hate to think what is happening now.

OK asshole! Another example of a "police state". I sent.. under $500 to a friend in the US to get some stuff for me. That sparked a series of "incidents" which showed how fucking stupid things are.

This person was actually "cuffed" outside school while collecting kids and taken into custody. As explained to me later, this person was "not going to play time wasting games" with the law and refused to discuss the issue with them. After a while it had to be made clear to them that they had "cuffed" one of their own - a "US govt officer"! This was the person I had sent some funds to. I never knew anything about this till after it was over else I'd be on the phone "explaining" exactly what I sent and why and accompanying this with a few "fuck off's".

There is ... among the shit and cockups.. good reason for "security" and is understandable currently. But this is more than a farce - it's fucking ludicrous! It's not of my biz and I am not asking/telling, but I know that "incident" fucked up some other stuff for that person and screwed up months of inquiries/work.

This ain't some crap "story" - it is a fact of life and happening this year. Don't bullshit me with still more stupid "angles" on neighbors ripping mail open etc - It's too pathetic!!

Get into the real world for just one second!!

Pig shit...as are your other pig shit stories.

Webby · 08-18-2004, 08:11 PM

MrPheer:

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The good outweighs the bad by far. Typing about shit on a message board about how fucked up the government is, is just a waste of time. So either move, or take proactive steps to change things.

Sure.. I think the good probably does outweigh the bad! And.. I totally agree that typing on a message board is "meaningless".

I've already said I have moved - I have no wish to live in the US. I have many friends there and it just "grinds" to see shit happening there. It is not my place to be "proactive" and change things - this is a matter for folks living there. However, when actions of the current government "intrude" on my space - I'll make it known.

Webby · 08-18-2004, 08:13 PM

theKing:

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Pig shit...as are your other pig shit stories.

What "college" did you claim to attend King??

Clearly you did not benefit much....

theking · 08-18-2004, 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
theKing:

What "college" did you claim to attend King??

Clearly you did not benefit much....

Clearly I did..."more than ridiculous=pig shit"...is a succinct description of 99.9999% of your posts.

chodadog · 08-18-2004, 08:29 PM

I wonder what people would be saying if the cops had let this guy through and he stepped on some downed powerlines and died.

Or if when others saw the police letting him through, they too decided to go home and salvage shit and all of a sudden there were 10 dead people.

Of course, everyone would be bitching about the police yet again.

Webby · 08-18-2004, 08:30 PM

theKing:

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Clearly I did...

I just hate to say this King... but we are gonna disagree on your claims to education somehow ---- can you possibly forgive this??? Oh please... please do! I hate to be one of your "enemies of the state"!

btw... In casual conversation with one of your countrymen - I actually gave you mention :-) I explained I was open to your views and that you have apparently served your country well etc... and just wanted to give the benefit of doubt. I also mentioned there was some fetish about "patriotism" whether the subject matter is good or bad - this "patriotism" appeared more like a mental disorder and asked if this was commonplace.

The reply came back... roughly... that these are a wide range of "views" in the US and don't take it to mean that all US folks are as stupid as they sometimes appear. Also that elements who have military connections or who have served, may be more prone to "idealism" in this area. (This guy did actually serve - if my memory serves me on your "service" - he did a damned site more than you!). But, bottom line... he also thought you were a nut and most likely a "wannabe something"....

I kinda agree with him after having read your crap King

theking · 08-18-2004, 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
theKing:

I just hate to say this King... but we are gonna disagree on your claims to education somehow ---- can you possibly forgive this??? Oh please... please do! I hate to be one of your "enemies of the state"!

btw... In casual conversation with one of your countrymen - I actually gave you mention :-) I explained I was open to your views and that you have apparently served your country well etc... and just wanted to give the benefit of doubt. I also mentioned there was some fetish about "patriotism" whether the subject matter is good or bad - this "patriotism" appeared more like a mental disorder and asked if this was commonplace.

The reply came back... roughly... that these are a wide range of "views" in the US and don't take it to mean that all US folks are as stupid as they sometimes appear. Also that elements who have military connections or who have served, may be more prone to "idealism" in this area. (This guy did actually serve - if my memory serves me on your "service" - he did a damned site more than you!). But, bottom line... he also thought you were a nut and most likely a "wannabe something"....

I kinda agree with him after having read your crap King

Pig shit.

chase · 08-18-2004, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
heh, you know what I was saying right?

Not that you're a moron, that the ignore list is meant for morons.

Duh, lolololol.
Blonde moment!

Webby · 08-18-2004, 08:36 PM

theKing:

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Pig shit.

Yes King... of course it is!!

Now... grab that bottle and sink into a state of total oblivion - it has this effect of closing out the real world

J.R. · 08-18-2004, 08:36 PM

Stop your fucking crying you pussies!

If you were robbed, beaten or injured.

You would pick the phone up and call then police
and you wouldn't be happy until someone
was held accountable.

Regardless if you deserved it or not.

Webby · 08-18-2004, 08:41 PM

J.R.:

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Regardless if you deserved it or not.

Of course!! That's what people do!!

theking · 08-18-2004, 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by Webby
theKing:

Yes King... of course it is!!

Now... grab that bottle and sink into a state of total oblivion - it has this effect of closing out the real world

Pig shit. I have never in my life sunk "into a state of total oblivion" from drinking alcohol...and I will stick with the cold brewskis that I am drinking...thank you very much. It is I that live in the "real world"...and not some made up fantsy land of Webby's.

Webby · 08-18-2004, 08:49 PM

theKing:

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Pig shit. I have never in my life sunk "into a state of total oblivion" from drinking alcohol...and I will stick with the cold brewskis that I am drinking...thank you very much. It is I that live in the "real world"...and not some made up fantsy land of Webby's.

Hey!! You mean you have never, ever, sunk into a state of total oblivion???? Man.... you got a lot of living to do... or maybe some truth telling!!! :-)

I knew you never had experience of "real living" somehow!! BTW.. the word is "fantasy".. not fantsy - tho typos are fine!

Seriously - we may disagree on most shit, but we all have "views" and I do listen hard :-) Would make for a heated debate sometime over a few bottles!!

Gotta go and do some shit!

Mogulman · 08-18-2004, 08:58 PM

A few people have said this should have never happened in front of his kids. It horrible that his kids saw this happen and blah blah blah.

Events don't occur or not occur based on who's a witness. The Police had very specific instructions based on the welfare of the community: Don't let anybody into the DISASTER zone - its dangerous. Someone tried to circumvent those instructions and the police had to put a stop to it. However, Police do not have the luxury of determing who witnesses the enforcement. You can't tell people, "Well I would arresst you, but since so-and-so is here I guess I'll have to let it slide."

People also seem to say that the punishment didn't fit the crime - it was just a guy trying to go home. How can we tell the police officers to enforce only some instructions? Its not up to that cop to determine wheter he should let the guy go. Our tax dollars pay him to enforce our rules. Collectively we determined its not safe for a human body to go rushing back into a disaster area immediately after a hurrince. So we tell police to stop people from entering those zones and they have to follow that command. We have lots of laws that get people in deep shit, but that doesn't mean the cops were dicks for enforcing them.

Webby · 08-18-2004, 09:15 PM

Mogulman:

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A few people have said this should have never happened in front of his kids. It horrible that his kids saw this happen and blah blah blah. ..............

Agree!!!

Unless you have access to the full reports of the incident, it is easy for the Press to present a story that may appear "contentious".

On the other hand, this shows what appears to be a total inabilty of some officer/s to "relate" in a situation and "manage" this. The use of any "weapons" is absurd and too convenient. It is also understandable the "perp" may be "perturbed" - if he commits "public order" offenses, he needs to be arrested. But there is a balanced judgement level somewhere that calls for "a quiet word and explanation that this is for his own good". If that fails - it's a "this is how it is" and he is in line for an arrest. At the end of the day... it's a matter of judgement with the officers on the ground - a lot relies on their judgement. They got a load of shit on their plate - and so have some folks affected by this storm.

Gotta go!!

08-18-2004, 08:29 PM	#139
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	I wonder what people would be saying if the cops had let this guy through and he stepped on some downed powerlines and died. Or if when others saw the police letting him through, they too decided to go home and salvage shit and all of a sudden there were 10 dead people. Of course, everyone would be bitching about the police yet again. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

08-18-2004, 06:36 PM	#112
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Colin: Just thinking Colin - Bush reminds me of a manager I had - Bush even looks like him. This guy was a good manager at a level, tho he had not one original thought in his head :-) But give him the "rule book" and "words" and he will give earache to anyone concerned and indoctrinate them "how it should be done" and "how it is". I do think Bush as a man is on that level. He is not any kind of "entrepreneur" or "initiator" without prompting from others. His prior track record/business failures also seem to suggest this. He could also do with some improvement in his ability to speak and get the words in the right order :-)

08-18-2004, 06:57 PM	#114
Mr Pheer Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21,246	If you dont like the USA, move. Nobody is stopping you and I doubt anyone would care or even miss you.

08-18-2004, 07:00 PM	#115
infecto Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,697	You people are fucking idiots...it was a barricade...a barricade means you need to stop. While they don't say what it was for it could ahve been anything from a tree being down in the road to id check. This guy no matter what kind of stress he was in was being a fucking idiot and trying to rush. He deserved what he got for being a dumb fuck. While I am not saying there are not tons of cases where cops misuse there power this was not one of them. Lets look at this in the eyes of a cop who has to think as quick as possible to solve a problem. They guy is going to pass a police barricade...if he is this stupid what is going to make him stop when one of the cops goes after him...for all they know he might have been up to no good for whatever reason or maybe he was high/drunk and thats why he ran the barricade...Now they have some crazy guy driving down the road endangering the lives of innocent people. Shoot the damn fucktard with a taser, he dies its his fault. And yeah the kids saw what happened but the cops didn't put him in that situation he did.

08-18-2004, 07:04 PM	#116
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Colin: PS... How do you like to have every bit of mail delivered - but after this had been opened by the USPS? For six months this happened to me - they missed one day in that six months when they presumably failed to check the mail. There was absolutely nothing of "interest" in this - most of it was of less interest to me than them :-) I found out why sometime later - this was a "standard" check on all incoming mail to the US from locations where US citizens "may" have had bank accounts and the USPS acting as a branch of the "intel" services :-) This was prior to any 9/11 stuff. Some call that an "invasion of privacy". Tho.. frankly, I did not give a damn - I call it a police state

08-18-2004, 07:25 PM	#121
wdsguy Ryde or Die Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California-Shanghai Posts: 19,568	don't ever fuck with the police, lesson learned

08-18-2004, 07:27 PM	#123
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Colin: Ok.. Last example!! lol I knew some webmasters who were in the US. For some.. hell knows why reason, they had the attention of "intel services" - tho they had no "connections" to anything/anyone that had anything to do with "intell". They were just plain webmasters :-) This was before 9/11 times. The day came when they were departing the US and "intell" advised them that they would be met in their home country by some security officers when they got off the plane. Kind of em :-) They arrived back home and a couple of their own "intell" officers met them. They had a coffee and a 15 minute chat - there was some "amusement" about "crazy US intelligence" and they all shook hands and went on their way. Tell ya.. definately a police state in action!!!

08-18-2004, 07:35 PM	#125
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	PleasurePays: BTW.. Instead of talking crap... take a lesson out of that to cover your own ass and your "offshore bank accounts"/corps - which of course, you don't have or even think of having

08-18-2004, 07:47 PM	#127
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	Please feel free to get the last word in, while i take my wife out to dinner and for a walk on the beach in our horrible and oppressive police state. If i spot any black sedans following us or helicopters, i will be sure to get with you and compare notes!

08-18-2004, 08:36 PM	#144
J.R. WantBoobs.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Calif & Washington Posts: 3,472	Stop your fucking crying you pussies! If you were robbed, beaten or injured. You would pick the phone up and call then police and you wouldn't be happy until someone was held accountable. Regardless if you deserved it or not.

08-18-2004, 08:58 PM	#148
Mogulman Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 568	A few people have said this should have never happened in front of his kids. It horrible that his kids saw this happen and blah blah blah. Events don't occur or not occur based on who's a witness. The Police had very specific instructions based on the welfare of the community: Don't let anybody into the DISASTER zone - its dangerous. Someone tried to circumvent those instructions and the police had to put a stop to it. However, Police do not have the luxury of determing who witnesses the enforcement. You can't tell people, "Well I would arresst you, but since so-and-so is here I guess I'll have to let it slide." People also seem to say that the punishment didn't fit the crime - it was just a guy trying to go home. How can we tell the police officers to enforce only some instructions? Its not up to that cop to determine wheter he should let the guy go. Our tax dollars pay him to enforce our rules. Collectively we determined its not safe for a human body to go rushing back into a disaster area immediately after a hurrince. So we tell police to stop people from entering those zones and they have to follow that command. We have lots of laws that get people in deep shit, but that doesn't mean the cops were dicks for enforcing them.