mardigras

He must have been a raving lunatic if they had to stun him with that many cops around.

50 stunned readers

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At the next convention I'm going to taser you in front of your familly and handcuff you. No big deal right?

Ever been hit by a taser? People die from them.

Fletch XXX

Police love hitting people with tasers.

They even like popping 9 year old girls with them

http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/r...cles/23888.php



"A 9-year-old handcuffed girl was swearing, thrashing and attempting to kick out a patrol car window when a South Tucson police sergeant used a stun gun to subdue her, according to police reports released Thursday. "

she was handcuffed at the time

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cherrylula

pigs in the south are fucking pricks.

WarChild

Stun guns and tasers are different instruments. I believe a taser is much more dangerous.

GatorB

Sooooooo, in order to prevent the man from getting elctrocuted they electrocute him. Hmmmmmmm.

chase

You are nit picking here, just as you were when you made the initial statement, because my statement that you took issue with was "I don't know the whole story."
Which is exactly the same thing as "You don't know any of the story OTHER THAN the way it ended" OR "You don't know any of the story EXCEPT the way it ended"

You are grapsing at straws to disagree with me when part of what we are saying is the same damn thing. Which is what my point was when I said "BTW The way it ends IS part of the story."

I understand English perfectly. And what I hear is doublespeak and arguing for the sake of arguing, which I don't have any more time to spend participating in.

I think it was wrong, and you don't . Big damn deal. It is not necessary that everyone agree with you. I realize that may be a shock for some, but it is the truth.

beergood

There were enough cops. If they had to detain him they should've just held him down and cuffed him. Make him sit on his ass for a while and calm the shit down. Some fucko cop just wanted to try out his taser and it made a difficult situation even more complex.

Fletch XXX

depends what article you read.

http://www.8bm.com/diatribes/volume0...atribes430.htm

MANY say "Taser", i think they say "Stun Gun" to calm the situation down. This has caused a lot of headaches.

it doesnt change the fact that she was a 9 year old handcuffed. I have seen guys on COPS show, kicking windows, beating their head agaisnt the window of the cop car door, never seen them taser ANYONE on that show, but they taser a 9 year old girl for screaming and kicking?

makes a lot of sense.

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heres a funny one too

http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/...24/detail.html

A police officer used his Taser gun on a 68-year-old grandmother in her home Tuesday night, KMBC's Donna Pitman reported.

Louise Jones (pictured, left) said it happened after she pulled up to her house near 50th and Euclid and saw a police car. She honked, and an officer got out of the vehicle.

"He said he could give me a citation ticket for honking my horn. I said it was an accident. It's not like I laid on the horn; I honked, right in front of my house," Jones said.

Jones said the officer went to a call at another home, then returned to her house to give her a ticket for honking.

"He grabbed me and I jerked away from him, and he said, 'You assaulted me,'" Jones recalled.

Police said Jones wouldn't cooperate and hit the officer. That's when the officer pulled his Taser gun and shocked her, Pitman reported.

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beergood

Damn. You've got to be fucking kidding me.

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Jones said the officer shocked her twice in the chest with the weapon.

"I hollered and screamed because I thought it was a gun," she said.

Jones' husband, Fred, heard the commotion in his home of 40 years and confronted the officer. The husband and wife were both arrested and jailed. Jones was cited for misuse of a horn on a city street, and her husband was ticketed for interfering with an officer.

note she WAS NOT CHARGED with "assault on officer" if she HAD HIT HIM, she would have been charged with assault on officer.

the police lied about this story and were out of line.

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Babaganoosh

So you think that the police should just let anyone into a disaster area who wants in? If the police want to ask someone a few questions and they get shitty with the police, should the police just back off and let them in? I think not. If you resist the police, something bad is going to happen to you. We all know that. Why anyone thinks that they are exempt is beyond me.

If the guy had a legit reason to be there he could have proven it. Instead he chose to get into a pushing match with the cops. I don't care if his entire family including his great, great aunt twice removed was there...he deserved what he got.

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I think he is just trying to say that they handled the situation all wrong. There were atleast 6 officers there versus a family man with 3 kids in a mini van. I don't think he was much of a threat to them and they were WAY out of line using FORCE in a non-threatening situation. I did not even see the guy do anything wrong in that video....

theking

Pig shit.

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There wasn't enough video to tell. I didn't even see him get hit with the taser. That's part of my point though. We can't see what happened so we really can't judge.

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the cops probably saved the 3 kids lives by stopping the moron, the area is blocked off for the safety of the people that live there and their properties. had they not stopped the guy, others would've tried to break through as well. someone would probably have been electrocuted or otherwise hurt by unsafe buildings or have their stuff stolen.

not a fan of cops, but that moron had it coming

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ADL Colin

You do NOT have the right to enter an area deemed unsafe by government officials. Downed power lines, building that could collapse and unsanitary water are just a few of the problems.
If you don't believe me, call your local government officials and ask them.

As far as smoking cigarettes, we here in Florida cannot smoke in restaurants. Is that your right? Nope. Sure isn't

You're confusing how the world is with how you think it ought to be. Funny thing about civilization. You have to come to the realization that you're not the only person in the world.

Say they WEREN'T protecting his ass. So
he and his kids enter his house, the roof collapses and everyone is dead. Now someone - probably you - would be complaining the local officials let people into a dangerous area. Hey, welcome to the concept of a DISASTER AREA.

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ADL Colin

That's right. I'll defend the law. You defend the lawbreaker. Use your tiny brain for once. Would you attempt to bring your children into a disaster area that has been
deemed dangerous an offlimits by local officials? The day AFTER the storm a lady stepped on a powerline and got herself killed. The man was wrong. He does not have the right to endanger the lives of his children by entering the area.

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ADL Colin

Agreed. These people are whining about what is in their imagination and not what can they see.

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EviLGuY

.. and cops wonder why most people don't like them.

chase

Better watch it, babe, you'll have the martial law committee calling you stupid for what boils down to not agreeing with them, and acting like they are enlightened with the whole story and therefore are entitled to an opinion while do not, so you are not.
I got mad at first, but then I decided to laugh it off, and stop defending that which does not have to be defended....my OPINION. God help them if they are ever in a situation with overzealous cops.

NiteRain

LOL, I can't see the video for some reason, but if the police officer was by himself, then the taser was probably called for if there was resistance, but if there were other officers, then they could have taken him without using excessive force, they deal with people like that guy everyday and they don't use a taser to subdue a suspect.

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ADL Colin

I didn't defend the use of the taser in the situation. I didn't comment on that at all. I have no idea. I can't see shit in the video.

What I said was that the guy should have never tried to pass the police barrier and that he was stupid for doing so.

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theking

I delt with your "bitch" Richy boy...a little more succinctly...more than ridiculous=pig shit.

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Actually, I DON'T know if it was right or wrong. Because I don't know what happened.

You don't know what happened, and just think it was wrong. As far as anyone can tell, you think the police were wrong for using forced based only on the fact that they did use force. That's pretty ignorant, no?

theking

FYI...the use of a taser does not equal excessive force. Using multiple officers to take the man to the ground could easily become the use of excessive force...if the "guy" were to be combative.

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Happened to me plenty of times.

I've always obeyed what I was told by the Officer, and guess what .. Never been beaten/tasered or shot. Seems simple enough.

Pleasurepays

exactly.

a headline suggests a man was attacked by police for wanting to go home and people go bat shit in a big "us against them" uproar without so much as caring about the details and what happened exactly. at this point, its irrelevent to the conversation.

pretty dumb.

i am starting to believe in sheeple.

theking

Bottom line is...one is required to obey a law enforcement officer...and it does not make any difference if you think the officer is wrong...or even know for a fact that the officer is legally wrong. There have been more than one court precedent set where an officer was ruled to be out of line and not following the letter of the law in his/her actions...and the charges placed against the individual were dismissed by the court...but the charges for resisting the officer stood even though the officer was not acting within the letter of the law. You must obey a law enforcement officer...or be willing to pay the legal consequences for not obeying.

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Agreed. Yes sir...no sir...three bags full sir...and there will not be a problem.

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Rich

You keep defending the police abusing their power, I'll keep defending the people being abused.

Fucking Grandma shouldn't have honked, right Colin? Obey the law or get delt with, YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS.


Clearly the bill of rights doesn't apply to minors, right Colin?

Keep defending the police state, I can only hope that one day you don't wind up living in the type of world you want. Listen to whatever the cop says, right or wrong, or get the taser.

Fascism is fun.

How about this little beauty? Not a taser, but involving pepper spray and a straight up ass kicking of a totally innocent women. I'm sure you'll defend this one too.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/man...-2481544c.html
(yes you have to pay, so I'll paste the whole thing).

That bitch, she shouldn't have been near some unrelated guy who had pot, right Colin?

See that's what happens when you take away the rights of citizens under the guise of "protecting them from terrorists". Law enforcement abuse innocent people.

God Bless George Bush's police state, and the fools who are going to continue Goose stepping along with the crowd until it happens to them.

chase

I think I'll pass the torch to you, Rich. I think you'll do a much better job than me, being so damn "ignorant" as I am for thinking that the police are ever wrong.

WarChild

So you still think looking at that tape, showing only the man getting tasered, is telling you enough to make a judgment about the whole story?

If I were to read the last few pages of Cinderella, would I be making an informed opinion in thinking that she obviously lived the life of a princess? I mean, it ends like that .. Must be the case. Right?

The plus side is, you won't likely have to ever serve Jury Duty.

Fletch XXX

also if you bring up the 9year old girl.

she was mentally ill as well.

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#1 this was not a 9 year old girl being tased..this was a man so let's not even bring the children into it Fletch...LOL I thought you hated when people used the whole..."think about the children" excuse. ;)

#2 This is after a major disaster...I iknow some people here have had experience with those but I have myself...my apartment took a direct hit in the Fort Worth Tornado and I couldn't get down to my apartment for days.

Yes it was frustrating..sure I got into a couple of arguments with some cops but I knew enough to walk away because there was a "state of emergency" declared and they had guns and all I had was a mouth.

During things like this a lot of general civil liberties are rescinded but only temporarily...is it frustrating? Hell yes..but in hindsight it is in most cases the right thing to do.

They have to secure areas, make sure the right people are entering, and that it's safe....I get tired of police BS as much as the next guy but there are rules to this game we play called life...so render unto caesar what is caesars and unto eros' what is eros' ;)

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PeekHoles

He should have did like the looters have done. Ride in boat over there. Besides that there was no power on the island from what was reported on the news.

chase

Actually, I have to go for my third jury duty day in three years next Monday...and you are the ignorant one if you think I take posting on GFY as seriously as I take jury duty.

Get a fucking grip for Christ's sake, and end the crusade already. I think what I think, and at this point it's more a matter of principle than anything else that you keep badgering me. I don't have to agree with you, and I can post my opinion based on what I saw on a fucking message board, and nothing else, if I want to. This is GFY, not jury duty, or Congress.

Why are you guys such control freaks that you MUST change my mind, or launch personal attacks!

WarChild

SO when you got on the Jury, did you mention that you figure it's alright to make up your mind about an incident, based on very little information?

"The man is dead, therefore you murdered him."

I'm not trying to change your mind .. I'm trying to figure out how you made it up?

Of course this isn't Congress or Jury Duty. Most people can maintain common sense and an open mind in most situations. Am I to understand you need to reserve such qualities for only important things?

DWB

His home was not a crime scene so there should be NO reason he could not return to it, police line or not. The only thing police should of been doing is keeping aout anyone who does not live in that area to prevent possible looting.

I was assulted by the police once for reporting that I had been jumped by 5 guys. Within eye site of me getting my ass kicked, 2 cop cars sat where 2 black officers were standing talking to 2 black hoochies. After I took my jumping from 5 guys, I made it to the cops who did nothing when I was yelling for help, and when I made it to them bleeding all over I was pointing to them showing them the guys as they were WALKING AWAY and the cops told me to stand aside they were busy, the would get to me in a bit. After the guys were out of sight and I had tried several more times for help and raised my voice to get it, the police pulled thier guns on me, called for back up and I took a another ass beating for get this... resisting arrest and attacking a police officer (which I never did). I was only asking them for help and interupted their game.

So... I have a very bad taste in my mouth for police, and even more hatred for those who abuse their power. May they be gunned down off duty in front of their mothers.

theking

Pig shit.

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That'll sure leave a good impression of the cops for the kids

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I'm beginning to think you may just be fucking with me for fun, because I find it astoundingly ridiculous that you have twisted and enlarged this into what it is now.
Do you realize what you have done here? You've managed to turn my comment about how it pissed me off, especially because his kids saw it, into this big issue. I'm going to gracefully walk away from this, because nothing I say will satisfy you other than bowing to the pressure you're placing on me, and I won't. I am not sorry or ashamed for making a comment about that video; I'm sorry you don't agree with me, but that's your problem, not mine.
I am quite secure that when it comes to situations that matter, (and, no I don't consider my comment about a video clip on a message board called "Go Fuck Yourself" that important in the grand scheme of things. In fact, I'm wondering why I have spent so much time trying to defend myself here.), I am extremely fair, and wise in my decisions. I have many friends going way back to when I was a child, so I don't suppose I can be as much of an ignorant judgemental asshole as you make me out to be, any more that I could call you a fascist because of your opinions on this one issue. If you choose to base your opinion of me based on this one comment, so be it, but you'd be the one judging without knowing the entire story, since you have no idea who I am, what I am like, how I think or act, or anything else about me, other than the fact that I think the police were out of line for what I saw.

Scootermuze

Or so they say...

There were a few families that returned to their homes only to find that they had been looted.... Talk about some pissed off residents...

WarChild

Bingo.

And thus ends the demonstration.

Rich

The ignore button is there for one reason man, idiots. You see theking posting in this thread five times, I can almost guarantee at least two of his posts are directed at me, and he calls me "richie boy" at least once. Thanks to the ignore list I don't have to listen to the useless ramblings of an old brainwashed man anymore.

Consider putting that fool who's fucking with you on ignore and walking away.

Webby

That is a clue as to the balanced judgement, cultural background (wot culture? *s*) and arrogance that makes the US so great. It is idiots like stupid cops - tho they are no different to anyone, - who have nada comprehension of *anything* and a total lacking in ability to relate.

Similarly, irrespective how "frustrated" the guy may have been, again, - there is time to quit the crap. "Judgement" again....

There is one thing that stands out miles about the "handling" of stuff by US folks. I have never seen such a passive nation (in reality) who "accept" what they are told with nothing other than superficial questioning of "why". People seem to just do as they are told - by any asshole who happens to be passing. Often this can have absolutely no logic or reasoning attached.

This spreads from daily domestic life to as far as Iraq where forces, unlike the majority of other nations forces, are simply not equipped either mentally or otherwise to "relate" to anyone. All the know is how to kill people - I've spoken to some who are "proud" of this "achievement".

If the amount of official uniforms (from policer officers to whoever) were displayed on a daily basis in other nations as they are in the US - they'd be told to go get fucked. But.. I suppose this is part of a police state that covers it's ass disguised as a "democracy".

At the same time there are plenty US folks, both "officials" and otherwise, who have a brain in their heads and can manage "scenarios" - I've seen some excellent "handling" of "incidents" in the past there. I suppose it is down to the quality of the individual, as ususal, in the end.

Fletch XXX

eros you know better than that.

I dont like the whole "online porn is bad because kids see it" argument.

To not bring up a 9 year old girl in a thread about ABUSE OF TASERS is ridiculous.

moot as you always say.

this thread is about abuse of power, not bringing up a clear victim of abuse of power is idiotic.

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Rich:

Hi Ritchie Boy!

Ignore the asshole King - he is one of the idiot brain dead who "does what he's told" with nada brain cell activity.

It's these kinda totally ignorant people when equipped with a mouth can utter the biggest load of bullshit and usually with that "ignorant arrogance" attached :-)

BTW.. How is Pathfinder these days?? You sober today General??

WarChild

How can you determine that THIS particular instance was in fact abuse?

Children and old women are irrelevant to the argument of IF THIS CASE was abuse of power or not.