Agreed. Yes sir...no sir...three bags full sir...and there will not be a problem.

You keep defending the police abusing their power, I'll keep defending the people being abused.

Fucking Grandma shouldn't have honked, right Colin? Obey the law or get delt with, YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS.


Clearly the bill of rights doesn't apply to minors, right Colin?

Keep defending the police state, I can only hope that one day you don't wind up living in the type of world you want. Listen to whatever the cop says, right or wrong, or get the taser.

Fascism is fun.

How about this little beauty? Not a taser, but involving pepper spray and a straight up ass kicking of a totally innocent women. I'm sure you'll defend this one too.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/man...-2481544c.html
(yes you have to pay, so I'll paste the whole thing).

That bitch, she shouldn't have been near some unrelated guy who had pot, right Colin?

See that's what happens when you take away the rights of citizens under the guise of "protecting them from terrorists". Law enforcement abuse innocent people.

God Bless George Bush's police state, and the fools who are going to continue Goose stepping along with the crowd until it happens to them.

I think I'll pass the torch to you, Rich. I think you'll do a much better job than me, being so damn "ignorant" as I am for thinking that the police are ever wrong.

So you still think looking at that tape, showing only the man getting tasered, is telling you enough to make a judgment about the whole story?

If I were to read the last few pages of Cinderella, would I be making an informed opinion in thinking that she obviously lived the life of a princess? I mean, it ends like that .. Must be the case. Right?

The plus side is, you won't likely have to ever serve Jury Duty.

also if you bring up the 9year old girl.

she was mentally ill as well.

#1 this was not a 9 year old girl being tased..this was a man so let's not even bring the children into it Fletch...LOL I thought you hated when people used the whole..."think about the children" excuse. ;)

#2 This is after a major disaster...I iknow some people here have had experience with those but I have myself...my apartment took a direct hit in the Fort Worth Tornado and I couldn't get down to my apartment for days.

Yes it was frustrating..sure I got into a couple of arguments with some cops but I knew enough to walk away because there was a "state of emergency" declared and they had guns and all I had was a mouth.

During things like this a lot of general civil liberties are rescinded but only temporarily...is it frustrating? Hell yes..but in hindsight it is in most cases the right thing to do.

They have to secure areas, make sure the right people are entering, and that it's safe....I get tired of police BS as much as the next guy but there are rules to this game we play called life...so render unto caesar what is caesars and unto eros' what is eros' ;)

He should have did like the looters have done. Ride in boat over there. Besides that there was no power on the island from what was reported on the news.

Actually, I have to go for my third jury duty day in three years next Monday...and you are the ignorant one if you think I take posting on GFY as seriously as I take jury duty.

Get a fucking grip for Christ's sake, and end the crusade already. I think what I think, and at this point it's more a matter of principle than anything else that you keep badgering me. I don't have to agree with you, and I can post my opinion based on what I saw on a fucking message board, and nothing else, if I want to. This is GFY, not jury duty, or Congress.

Why are you guys such control freaks that you MUST change my mind, or launch personal attacks!

SO when you got on the Jury, did you mention that you figure it's alright to make up your mind about an incident, based on very little information?

"The man is dead, therefore you murdered him."

I'm not trying to change your mind .. I'm trying to figure out how you made it up?

Of course this isn't Congress or Jury Duty. Most people can maintain common sense and an open mind in most situations. Am I to understand you need to reserve such qualities for only important things?

His home was not a crime scene so there should be NO reason he could not return to it, police line or not. The only thing police should of been doing is keeping aout anyone who does not live in that area to prevent possible looting.

I was assulted by the police once for reporting that I had been jumped by 5 guys. Within eye site of me getting my ass kicked, 2 cop cars sat where 2 black officers were standing talking to 2 black hoochies. After I took my jumping from 5 guys, I made it to the cops who did nothing when I was yelling for help, and when I made it to them bleeding all over I was pointing to them showing them the guys as they were WALKING AWAY and the cops told me to stand aside they were busy, the would get to me in a bit. After the guys were out of sight and I had tried several more times for help and raised my voice to get it, the police pulled thier guns on me, called for back up and I took a another ass beating for get this... resisting arrest and attacking a police officer (which I never did). I was only asking them for help and interupted their game.

So... I have a very bad taste in my mouth for police, and even more hatred for those who abuse their power. May they be gunned down off duty in front of their mothers. :321GFY

Pig shit.

That'll sure leave a good impression of the cops for the kids :winkwink:

I'm beginning to think you may just be fucking with me for fun, because I find it astoundingly ridiculous that you have twisted and enlarged this into what it is now.
Do you realize what you have done here? You've managed to turn my comment about how it pissed me off, especially because his kids saw it, into this big issue. I'm going to gracefully walk away from this, because nothing I say will satisfy you other than bowing to the pressure you're placing on me, and I won't. I am not sorry or ashamed for making a comment about that video; I'm sorry you don't agree with me, but that's your problem, not mine.
I am quite secure that when it comes to situations that matter, (and, no I don't consider my comment about a video clip on a message board called "Go Fuck Yourself" that important in the grand scheme of things. In fact, I'm wondering why I have spent so much time trying to defend myself here.), I am extremely fair, and wise in my decisions. I have many friends going way back to when I was a child, so I don't suppose I can be as much of an ignorant judgemental asshole as you make me out to be, any more that I could call you a fascist because of your opinions on this one issue. If you choose to base your opinion of me based on this one comment, so be it, but you'd be the one judging without knowing the entire story, since you have no idea who I am, what I am like, how I think or act, or anything else about me, other than the fact that I think the police were out of line for what I saw.

Or so they say...

There were a few families that returned to their homes only to find that they had been looted.... Talk about some pissed off residents...

Bingo. :thumbsup

And thus ends the demonstration.

The ignore button is there for one reason man, idiots. You see theking posting in this thread five times, I can almost guarantee at least two of his posts are directed at me, and he calls me "richie boy" at least once. Thanks to the ignore list I don't have to listen to the useless ramblings of an old brainwashed man anymore.

Consider putting that fool who's fucking with you on ignore and walking away. :2 cents:

That is a clue as to the balanced judgement, cultural background (wot culture? *s*) and arrogance that makes the US so great. It is idiots like stupid cops - tho they are no different to anyone, - who have nada comprehension of *anything* and a total lacking in ability to relate.

Similarly, irrespective how "frustrated" the guy may have been, again, - there is time to quit the crap. "Judgement" again....

There is one thing that stands out miles about the "handling" of stuff by US folks. I have never seen such a passive nation (in reality) who "accept" what they are told with nothing other than superficial questioning of "why". People seem to just do as they are told - by any asshole who happens to be passing. Often this can have absolutely no logic or reasoning attached.

This spreads from daily domestic life to as far as Iraq where forces, unlike the majority of other nations forces, are simply not equipped either mentally or otherwise to "relate" to anyone. All the know is how to kill people - I've spoken to some who are "proud" of this "achievement".

If the amount of official uniforms (from policer officers to whoever) were displayed on a daily basis in other nations as they are in the US - they'd be told to go get fucked. But.. I suppose this is part of a police state that covers it's ass disguised as a "democracy".

At the same time there are plenty US folks, both "officials" and otherwise, who have a brain in their heads and can manage "scenarios" - I've seen some excellent "handling" of "incidents" in the past there. I suppose it is down to the quality of the individual, as ususal, in the end.

eros you know better than that.

I dont like the whole "online porn is bad because kids see it" argument.

To not bring up a 9 year old girl in a thread about ABUSE OF TASERS is ridiculous.

moot as you always say.

this thread is about abuse of power, not bringing up a clear victim of abuse of power is idiotic.

Rich:

Hi Ritchie Boy! :winkwink:

Ignore the asshole King - he is one of the idiot brain dead who "does what he's told" with nada brain cell activity.

It's these kinda totally ignorant people when equipped with a mouth can utter the biggest load of bullshit and usually with that "ignorant arrogance" attached :-)

BTW.. How is Pathfinder these days?? You sober today General?? :1orglaugh

How can you determine that THIS particular instance was in fact abuse?

Children and old women are irrelevant to the argument of IF THIS CASE was abuse of power or not.

Ya ya, I know, but I usually enjoy a good debate. I got a bit bent out of shape on this one; not too typical of me, truely.
And watch calling me an idiot or YOU'll be on my ignore list!:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :winkwink:

Rich:

Agree! Sadly facism is alive and well in the US currently. If it were elsewhere that shit would be immediate dismissal/suspension and pending legal action - not some PR publicity excercise controlled by the Police Dept.

Add to this that the US is now a country where citizens have little remaining "rights", a country that operates "concentration camps" (under another guise) and can see justification for holding kids in them from age 12 upwards without trial/legal representation. A country with is actually having a "debate" about the legal rights of it's own citizens to have a day in court. A country that has a law which means anyone carrying $10K on public transport (Amtrak), can have this confiscated without reason. The list is endless....

Meanwhile we discuss the finer points of stem cell research, watch Kobi Bryant "trials by TV" and debate over same sex marriages... sad shit...

Yep... facism is breeding nicely. But we are sitting on God's right side - the righteous side - that makes it all "nice :-)

You know what? I'm not so "ignorant" that I don't see your point. However, I have said that from the beginning, no?
Based on what I know of the situation, I still stick to my guns. Even a jury is not guaranteed to know the full story.....they have to make their decision based on the evidence as it's presented to them. There are many things that are inadmissable or simply not discovered in a trial, too, but the jurors work with what they know.
Again, you've had my admission from the beginning that it wasn't a choice I personally would have made, and that I am not aware of the whole circumstances, but, based on the information as it was reported on the news story and what I saw in the video, I don't feel that the police exhausted every non-violent option before resorting to a taser. I, obviously, am not alone if that opinion, just as you aren't alone in yours.
I have enjoyed sparring with you, even if I did lose my temper at some point, lol, I suppose that's par for the course around here.
At this point I think it would be wise that we agree to disagree and commend each other on our persistance and dedication to our principles, which, in spite of our little fued, I'm sure are more similar than we know.:drinkup

Come on now, Webby. We both know the US leads the world in prisoners. That's because they DIDN'T "do as they are told". Your thesis is dead.

That's a recurring debate in US history from it's founding to the present. Nothing new there. The only thing that changed is your constant reminder of it in whatever strange rags you read that harp on and on about "fascist George Bush" - articles obviously written by people who've read other articles with the same opinion but apparently no history books in there.

To each their own! :thumbsup

Colin:

:1orglaugh Sorry Colin!! I was trying hard to be "nice" and not too hard-hitting!! :-)

And I did not wish to become a "terrorist" or "enemy of the state" - it's easier just to live life quietly rather than spend 20 years in a jail cell in the US for "thinking" :-)

BUT.. Now you mention it..... :winkwink:

where do you people come up with these arguments?

this is a thread where OBVIOUSLY people are DEBATING whether or not this IS abuse or not.

give it a rest, I linked an article about a girl who got tasered, argue it all you want, im eating my sandwich and dont care

nener neener neener

There's more than one debate in the thread.

1. Is it abuse? (not enough info)
2. Was the guy a moron? (definitely!)
3. Is Rick obsessed with George Bush? (absolutely!)
4. Why is Webby always so damned nice?

Colin:

You mean to say that a nation that regards itself as a "leader" internationally, has not even sorted their own back yard out regarding "justice" to their own citizens?? There is one serious fundamental lacking someplace....

Me being critical of George?? ME?? :-) The man is a total imbecile - clearly the worst leader of any western nation with absolutely no comprehension of anything other than cows on his "ranch". (Tho even that is questionable - the term "candy store cowboy" keeps popping up). I can't say Bush as an individual is the author of his "doctrine" - there is little doubt he is a puppet being fed. On "facism" - tho there is a way to go yet - this is one very right-wing government that cloaks itself in ... well... lies and deceit, proclaiming "righteousness" and "moral superiority". It is not a government that can talk about "democracy" except in propaganda terms.

Forgetting any political shit - the sooner this asshole and his "crime family" are evicted from power - the better off the US people will be. *Anyone* can do a better job in a more honorable manner than that lump of lying/conspiring trash. Ah.. I'm being "critical" :-)

BTW.. Na.. I don't read some crap news stuff about Bush - I look *very* hard at him - his thinking is *very* transparent - a *very* shallow and fickle guy with some "tendencies" that show some kind of "addictive personality" :-)

PS I'm waiting to see what "story" needs debate in the Whitehouse over a National Intelligence Director now - that's gonna bring a smile :glugglug Rest assured it will be the usual crap!

Any reference to the US as a "police state" is nothing but parroting. Its no such thing and no different than any other time in its history. In fact it's a much better place today than it was in, say, 1950.

"a nation that regards itself as a "leader" internationally, has not even sorted their own back yard out regarding "justice" to their own citizens?? " And it never will "sort it out".. The debate between security and liberty will be an issue for the rest of US history just as it always has been.

Colin:

Just thinking Colin - Bush reminds me of a manager I had - Bush even looks like him.

This guy was a good manager at a level, tho he had not one original thought in his head :-) But give him the "rule book" and "words" and he will give earache to anyone concerned and indoctrinate them "how it should be done" and "how it is".

I do think Bush as a man is on that level. He is not any kind of "entrepreneur" or "initiator" without prompting from others. His prior track record/business failures also seem to suggest this.

He could also do with some improvement in his ability to speak and get the words in the right order :-)

Colin:

Na... don't agree! The US "is" a police state. It is a country overloaded on laws and where there was a policy of creating a "profitable prison system" with prison construction contracts going to "friends". They could not build prisons quick enough and populate them a few years back.

There are more "law enforcement" pro rata than any western nation. Since several basic "rights" have been removed from citizens - this again is the pattern of a police state.

When members of the security services visit citizens at home in attempts to persude them not to "protest" and shut up - that again is a police state in action. If that happened in my country - they would be told to fuck off and kicked out the door.

I actually had one "incident" (not related to the above) with a brain dead "US governement officer" in the past. He "assumed" I was going to do as I was told, or rather he wanted me to do this. He was told to fuck off very bluntly - what he was asking was "not proper". Eventually I got an apology from some who had more sense.

There are many indicators of "police state" and this is not "parrotting" - it is a fact of life and is well-known. It's all about "control" - I can't think of any western country that has this degree of "control" over their own people.

Push this scenario a little further and it is getting kinda close to other known police states in history..

If you dont like the USA, move. Nobody is stopping you and I doubt anyone would care or even miss you.

You people are fucking idiots...it was a barricade...a barricade means you need to stop. While they don't say what it was for it could ahve been anything from a tree being down in the road to id check. This guy no matter what kind of stress he was in was being a fucking idiot and trying to rush. He deserved what he got for being a dumb fuck. While I am not saying there are not tons of cases where cops misuse there power this was not one of them.

Lets look at this in the eyes of a cop who has to think as quick as possible to solve a problem. They guy is going to pass a police barricade...if he is this stupid what is going to make him stop when one of the cops goes after him...for all they know he might have been up to no good for whatever reason or maybe he was high/drunk and thats why he ran the barricade...Now they have some crazy guy driving down the road endangering the lives of innocent people. Shoot the damn fucktard with a taser, he dies its his fault. And yeah the kids saw what happened but the cops didn't put him in that situation he did.

Colin:

PS... How do you like to have *every* bit of mail delivered - but after this had been opened by the USPS? For six months this happened to me - they missed one day in that six months when they presumably failed to check the mail.

There was absolutely nothing of "interest" in this - most of it was of less interest to me than them :-)

I found out why sometime later - this was a "standard" check on all incoming mail to the US from locations where US citizens "may" have had bank accounts and the USPS acting as a branch of the "intel" services :-) This was prior to any 9/11 stuff.

Some call that an "invasion of privacy". Tho.. frankly, I did not give a damn - I call it a police state :winkwink:

MrPheer:

That is one parrot-fashion-off-the-cuff response when there is nothing else to offer.

The comments were about the current US government - nothing to do with the US as a whole. I noticed you never even attempted to address these.

As for "moving" - I did just that. I have no problem with the US, or any other country, tho the US is certainly not a place I'd have any desire to live, especially these days.

hmm, show me the last time American citizens born in America had to fight for the right to a fair trial. I must have missed that in my history classes, I guess they only teach the real history in Ivy league schools.

I couldn't agree more.

heh, you know what I was saying right?

Not that you're a moron, that the ignore list is meant for morons. :)