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Jet Li, cause he looks cooler and he's not such a beanpole like bruce lee.

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Not a fight at all, Bruce was also an avid ground fighter also but would never have allowed the signiture leg shot of the Gracies. Bruce had develpoed a step kick from cat stance that was difficult to penetrate. Cat stance unlike horse has a 20/80 weight distribution that allows weight to be shifted between the rear and front leg quickly, you truly never know how much weight is on an opponents front or back leg in this stance and Bruce had a shifting derivitive of the stance because he believed that a stance was stagnant and allowed for holes to be exploited. Unlike the fighters who the Gracies have beaten in the octagon Bruce did not at all believe in a fixed stance and threw away any type of Horse or POWER stance as his first improvement of his art, even so much that he eliminated the 1 inch and 3 inch punch from his real world strikes because they relied on it for the spring effect minutely. Ss you see all fighters who fell to Gracian Ju Jitsu use a derivitive of horse stance because they are fighting using mostly upper body strength except for the Kick boxers but their cat stance is to rigid and allows for the leg shot, also very few of them were true ground fighters/shoot wrestlers in the beginning which Bruce was.

The step kick is simple and so effective it is taught in most military classes across the world (very minimal and most effective areas of hand to hand are taught here). With Bruce's speed and shifting cat stance I do not believe the Gracies would have known when it was and was not safe to shoot for the legs for the take down and you know they were not trying to go toe to toe with anyone especially someone like Bruce, I have seen the step kick used against the leg shot effectively time and time again by people much slower than Bruce. Remember this system of fighting was pioneered by a man who studies all other forms of fighting, removed what he thought was ineffective then took away more and more just to have the most complete and seemless way of fighting. If your form has any history that could have been learned and exploited it would have been.

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Name Royce Gracie
Record 12 - 2 - 2 (Win - Loss - Draw)
Height 6'0 (183cm)
Weight 176lbs (80kg)
Style Gracie Jiu Jitsu
Birth Date 12/12/1966
City Rio De Janeiro
Country Brazil



Last lost was to Kazushi Sakuraba. TKO (Corner Stoppage)

Damn awesome fight I might add! Saku Saku 4 life

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bruce lee would win no doubt

jade_dragon

You talking about the fight that was in "Dragon", the one where he fought the guy and he kicked him when he turned around which put him in the hospital?


Well that fight never took places says his family and friends, that black guy in the movie never existed either haha, Bruce had two close friends at that point in his life, a Japanese guy who I can not remember the name of (very odd for japanese and chinese to be friends back then especially if they are martial artists) and later on he met Danny Inosato. The chinese council was not happy about outsiders being taught and requested he stop and was shunned by the community of Grant Street and the surrounding areas in San Fran but there was no death match where he was injured. If you read about his life you will find out that Bruce failed to warm up properly and caused all that damage while weight lifting at his apartment but of course that did not seem as cool as him being attacked like he was in the movie. Likewise after the exhibition at the tournement he did not fight anyone after the 60 second match as I have come across. If you read in the beginning of Dragon you will see they say that the movie was dramatized for entertainment purpose, from that movie they had a lot of "documentaries" which used it as a referance but most of that info was fictitious.

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LONG LIVE THE LEGEND

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Yeah I know the fight in front of the council was fake. He fought him on a private beach. His wife was there watching.

BTW what do you think of the Vibrating Palm?

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humn, i heard about one beach front fight but it was not connected to the council, I will see what I can find on that.

I prefer the 5 finger, 5 palm exploding heart technique myself!

No really I have a few Kung books and would love to start training in some of the Chi focus exercises when I have more time, Dragon Claw Kung where you pick up increasingly heavy items places in a small mouthed jar and every morning at sunrise motion like you are pulling up the sun as well as iron palm and iron bell have interested me since I started studying Chinese martial art. I used to do a lot of "parting the water" which got me big into isometrics and that is also one of my favorites of the more "realistic" kung exercises.


BTW gundam kicks ass, I think i will go watch endless waltz right now.

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It is really hard to tell. When you are at that level. It would be an interesting fight to watch though.

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I have no idea how you guys think Bruce would beat Jet.

Jet Li is officially one of the greatest martial arts masters in China's history, a title he earned by winning five national Wu-Shu titles during his teenage years.

When he was 8 he was removed from regular school and placed in a special wu-shu training school, 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, nothing but wu-shu!

Before becoming an actor he travelled worldwide representing China in all sorts of tournaments... he even did a display for Nixon on the whitehouse lawn!

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While Jet is a great martial artist I have met many better including Master Pak who has his own place in China's history for training police and Military in Tiger/Iron Palm/Eagle Claw. He is acredited with taking down multiple cells of Triad along with local law enforcement, the man gave his right hand to the martial arts. It is now a fused knuckled battering ram and he keeps it covered in a glove when in public as not to alarm people because of the look of it.

Bruce likewise gave his body to the future of martial arts. Not taking anything away from him but a bunch of exhibitionary wins does a true warrior make. There was a reason Jet idolized Bruce, they both lived martial arts but one was a street fighter/warrior the other was a showman...... I will ask some people if he has reached mastership level in the ranks of the WMA, you do realize there are ranks called Grand MAsters though right?

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FlyingIguana

whats there to discuss? is jet li even a fighter?

VeriSexy

Bruce Lee would win for sure but Jet Li is for real. He is not jut a actor, he got real training and has been a Wu Shu master since he was 16 and won many championships in China.


http://www.fightingmaster.com/actors/jetli/

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Bruce Lee end of story. His style was about controlling his oppenant.

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http://www.fightingmaster.com/masters/index.htm

Master list from the site that was posted.

bruce's master and bruce himself are there because they were recognized to have acheived master and then grand master status, Jet has yet to achieve this, he will though in time I am sure.

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Bruce would win. Jet Li can only fight when there's cables attached.

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Wow, Morihei Ueshiba was on that list! When I studied Aikido, we began by bowing to a picture of O'Sensai. If you've ever seen videos of him in action, he's simply amazing. There's something about watching a 75 year old man defeat a dozen other men.

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Oops, forgot the sarcasm tags.

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"He won a total of five gold medals in the national championships for 5 consecutive years, from 1974 to 1979. In 1979, Li received his highest achievement in martial arts when he was crowned Gold Champion at the Chinese National Martial Arts Competition. To this date no other man has won more titles. During this stage of his life, he acquired the nickname "Jet" for his blazing speed. "


He is one of Chinas best fighters. He's been traing hard since he was very young.

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I used to have video of one of his 1" punch demonstrations. It's freaky! The reciever was a white guy about 6', 230 lbs and a master martial artist himself, so you can be sure the guy could take a hit. Bruce sent him a few feet, where the guy ended up on his back. Simply amazing!

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I understand this, did you notice my comment about my original lack of sarcasm tags? All of Jet's movies seem to involve the extensive use of cables in fighting scenes for a sort of anime effect. It was a joke, not to be taken too seriously. Just laugh and enjoy it.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled thread, and have a good evening.

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You'll please pardon me if I'm suspicious of Hollywood taking artistic license.

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Shit, that's hardcore!

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Put them in a pride ring, and they both get their asses whooped. ;)

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Real masters don't fight to entertain people or for money. This guy would kick their asses

http://www.fightingmaster.com/masters/oyama/index.htm

"When Oyama intervened, the troublemaker, a tall Japanese suspected of several homicides, became enraged and produced a knife. Taunting Oyama, the troublemaker made continuous slashing movements through the air in front of Oyama?s face with the knife then lunged towards Oyama. Oyama blocked the attack and delivered a forceful punch to the head of the assailant, killing him instantly. "

"Mas Oyama, in order to show the strength of his karate, tested his strength by fighting raging bulls bare-handed. It was a mismatch from the get-go for the bulls, not for Oyama. In all, he fought 52 bulls, three of which were killed instantly, and 49 had their horns taken off with knife hand blows. That it is not to say that it was all that easy for him. Oyama was fond of remembering that his first attempt just resulted in an angry bull. In 1957, at the age of 34, he was nearly killed in Mexico when a bull got some of his own back and gored him. Oyama somehow managed to pull the bull off and break off his horn. He was bedridden for 6 months while he recovered from the usually fatal wound. Today of course, the animal rights groups would have something to say about these demonstrations, despite the fact that the animals were all destined for slaughter. "

"In 1952, he travelled the United States for a year, demonstrating his karate live and on national television. During subsequent years, he took on all challengers, resulting in fights with 270 different people. The vast majority of these were defeated with one punch! A fight never lasted more than three minutes, and most rarely lasted more than a few seconds. His fighting principle was simple ? if he got through to you, that was it."


If he hit you, you broke. If you blocked a rib punch, you arm was broken or dislocated. If you didn't block, your rib was broken.

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jet li would win cuz bruce lee is dead....

man, you guys are thick.

zzgundamnzz

Really? According to aht page Bruce Lee is a master. And he's right next to that guy in the listings for Master.

http://www.fightingmaster.com/masters/index.htm

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So many people with no real clue what they are talking/typing about with their one line comments.. it's funny to see which idiots don't even read the thread before replying, too much reading of factual info here for them. lol, but this is GFY after all.

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Bruce Lee without a doubt

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Bruce Lee for sure. His style of fighting is no style at all. He's adaptable. He studies physics/philosophy and movements in other sport, not just martial arts. Ever seen his knuckles up close, it looks like he implanted four round hard metals on each one.

But truthfully, unless a standup karate or kung fu fighter manage to defeat an MMA fighter in the UFC or Pride arena, it will only be an artform, not actual combat.

My fav. contemporary fighter is Frank Shamrock, even though retired. Very versatile, and his best weapon besides mad skillz is conditioning.

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