Mike AI

I am serious, I am talking back when I got in the biz 1996.... I remember thinking Webfather was a fool. OF coure the reality is I was the fool.

I also missed domains at good prices like mardigras.com

Oh well. Luckily my other investments have done well.

My only "prime" domains are gardner.com and insulting.com

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Taboo

what was mardigras.com priced at?

recently I lost out on animeclub.com(8),xxxmodel.com(3),and more.

slavdogg

we had it at one point
than i found out i cant spell

nametower

Good list

Add: Innovation HQ.
Add: Alex Lerman
Add: Digimedia.com * REALLY GOOD NAMES
Add: CES Marketing
Add: WebQuest
Add: Infospace

My minds blurry right now.

I'll think of more later.

Best portfolio goes to Mr(.com) Cool(.com) Elequa

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Steen2

I would take off AVM and add EasyLink.
Mail.com leases many of its domains from EasyLink.

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Others:

P Gordon
Yoshiki Okada
Chris Black

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Taboo

i've been there before. you made me go double check my mardi gras domains. I own MardiGrasOnline.com & SpringBreakOnline.com - i wanted to use them for travel sites, but the porn devils keep whispering in my ear.

Taboo

thanks. i knew I forgot lots. anyone remember the Korean company/companies?

oh, yeah, another one:

ULTIMATE SEARCH.

Taboo

yeah, i forgot they sold the mail.com division and renamed easylink after their stock tanked. god, I got burned on that stock. lol.

Taboo

links? examples?

Steen2

P Gordon - http://www.whois.sc/reverse-ip/204.228.229.169 (thousands)
Yoshiki- Many 3 letter .coms (NNN.com)
Chris- Weed.com among others (I think weed.com may have been sold recently, not sure)

The previous two may not be suitable for the "top domain holders" but P Gordon sure is.

About UltSearch, they are #1 or 2 in quantity, and have some great names (3g.com etc).

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Taboo

BoobJobs.com
got the domain, show me your tits!

just kidding... about the tits. but you have to offer me much more than the cosmetic surgeons have offered. but I found a way to MILK it. also got PenisEnlargements.com, I like the sound of that one, it just GREW on me.

Taboo

thanks. i tried to buy some domains from UltSearch and it took forever for a reply, so long that i had forgotten i emailed them, and then when I asked how much, it was lot higher than I thought. LOT higher, i thought $4-5k, but they wanted $35k for the name. but they know what they're doing and I can only learn from them.

Steen2

Their game is traffic monetization.

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KRL

One of the first lessons of business my friend.

As guys become big players they get fat, rich, and lazy. I've seen this happen over and over. Its remarkable but true.

While they are out playing on their yachts, traveling all over, having fun and crusing around in their Ferraris it gives the lean, hungry, and diligent young and new guys a chance to grab opportunities that get overlooked by these big dinosaurs whose heads are up so high they can't always see everything right under their noses.

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What kind of price range are you looking at?

People always say "I've got cash" and so often they're just still looking for domains under a grand.

You guys that do this need to quantify your statements more precisely.

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Steen2

So true.

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Taboo

well said.



but are you one of the "young & hungry" or one of the "big dinosaurs"?

KRL

Since I only have about 1,000 domains, I don't think that puts me in the dinosaur league yet.

Even though my whole portfolio is worth quite a lot now.

But I know there are some guys with over 100,000 domains, so compared to them I'm somewhere lower down the ladder for sure.

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like everyone says, quality over quantity anyday.
the guys w/ 100,000 domains would love to trade them to CNET for 5 of their premiums.

Taboo

Steen2, I noticed you trying to sell some domains in another thread. you're missing out on a great opportunity with creamers.com - don't waste your time trying to unload it on gfy for only 4fig.

Sell it for much more to:
Deanfoods.com / suizafoods.com

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Dean Foods Company, Inc.
Producer of a wide variety of private label, non-dairy coffee creamers and dairy sold to the retail, foodservice, international, industrial, vending and office coffee service markets.
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see that "private label" line. That's your meal ticket. Your domain is generically perfect for them to acquire so they can own that category and use when marketing to their clientele. show them how they can dominate their market by owning creamers.com - and I'm sure they have competitors who want the domain. spend a week doing DEEP research, learn their industry lingo & buzzwords, be part of their tribe and sell the name for high5fig.

don't sell yourself short. fantastic domain name.

Taboo

Steen2, if you don't want to sell it, I'll sell it for you and do 100% of the work for 50% split.


check this out:

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http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....385&highlight=

DALLAS, Aug. 4 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Dean Foods Company (NYSE: DF) today announced plans to consolidate its three branded businesses: White Wave, Horizon Organic and the Dean National Brand Group. The newly combined operation will be headquartered in the Boulder, Colo. area and is expected to have 2004 revenue of approximately $1.1 billion. The change is intended to enable the consolidated company to capture the full potential of its rapidly growing brands, to better serve its customers, leverage its scale, and increase profitability over time. Steve Demos, founder and president of White Wave, will serve as president of the newly consolidated company, and will continue to report to Gregg Engles, chairman and chief executive officer of Dean Foods. The consolidation is anticipated to be complete by late 2005.......

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now read this:

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"In addition to allowing us to leverage our scale and increase profitability, combining the three businesses will enable us to increase our investment in marketing and innovation,"
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billion dollar suitor. public company. sell it for cash + stock.

KRL

LOL, I tried doing a deal on Yogurt.com. Not one of the CEO's of the 4 major yogurt mfrs. I concacted would bite at the asking price.

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Do you still own it? What's the asking price?

Taboo

steen2, thanks for posting creamers.com for sale tonight.


cause you got me thinking...

which led me to my fridge...

to see who makes my GF's International Delights Creamers...

which led me to DeanFoods.com...

and reading that one press release from 08/04...

and then crosschecking hoovers, google, wsj...

which led me to these available domains...


OrganicFoodsIndustry.com
FrozenFoodsIndustry.com
FastFoodsIndustry.com
NaturalFoodsIndustry.com
SpecialtyFoodsIndustry.com

and the best one:
FoodsIndustry.com

$40 well spent.

Steen2

That was Kenn's, did you buy it from him?

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Taboo,

Although having Procter and Gamble on line 2 and Microsoft on voice mail does sound very appealing, I really wouldn't know where to start. Ya got ICQ? Would love to chat with you.

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BRISK

Taboo, what do you think about 1 word domains that aren't really words, but are very brandable?

For example: think of words like google.com, it's not really a word, but it's very brandable (obvious today, but not so obvious a few years ago when the search engine didn't exist).

I own some domains that are 1 word, but at the moment these words have no meaning. However, they would make great brand names because they're very original and they sound nice.

Do you know anyone who buys/sells these kind of domains?

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ModelPerfect

Thanks for the input, Taboo. I'll definitely take you up on your advice. Out of curiosity, what do you think of innuendos.com?

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Steen2

I'm interested if they are good. Not yobleio.com but nevera.com or well flowing domains.

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Taboo

sponsorcash |@| mail | .com

i'm going to sleep soon. but we can discuss it more. send me your contact info/email. i'm interested.

BRISK

Oh they flow baby! That's why I bought them

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No, he asked me if I knew anyone that would be interested and I contacted several CEO's.

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Gotcha.

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Taboo

Buys? yes. Corporate america, Drug/Pharma, etc. They hire "established" naming firms for 6-7 figures to come up with names like this... check google for naming firms, look at their portfolios and if you say to yourself, "I can do that!" then you give it a shot. But remember you MUST check the uspto.gov trademark database first, then if you have the cash, buy a TM for the name you invented. So when you have clients, they are buying your IP and you can't get backstabbed. Plus having the complete package, Domain + TM, is more attractive for them.

but read the "About Us" or "How we name" sections of the naming firms websites and learn the lingo, the process, etc. Companies will want to see anywhere from 10-100+ names before they decide, and expect you to explain what the name "means", what you were thinking when you coined it. lol.

there is a big market for this, very cutthroat in the naming world. but you can run a successful one person operation. some firms only "name" once a year, and companies line up to buy/bid on that one "name". no joke.

sextoyking

Hi,

Good idea there on making your own line and branding it out. To be ohnest, I don't know much about the industry, except for some trade mags, pricing points, etc. We will be starting with about 5k products, perfumes, colognes, gift sets, candles, etc.

I guess me and the team will learn quick in 1996 I didn't know alot about sextoys either, but did ok running the stores

After this, gotta get going quick on our new cookie store, cookieshop.com

I think I can brand that real well and do pretty good with it, well hopefully


let's chat sometime, [email protected]

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BRISK

Thanks for the info, I'm not looking to start a naming company myself, I just own some 1 word domains that would make great brand names like Viagra, Pentium, or Sonoma.

My plan is to just keep them until I can get a rediculous price, but I'd like to get the word out there in the naming industry that I own these names and I'm entertaining offers.

I'll definitely be trademarking the names.

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JustinF

I was interested in this also. Thanks for the info.

Taboo

brisk,

re: creative naming

one thing you can do to get established is come up with a name, trademark it, find an art student, or cheap logo firm to make 3 logos for it and market it to BIG companies, i.e. Drug Industry, but offer it for free. tell them what you're doing, that you're trying to get established and build a resume, and that if they truly like the "name", they can have it, but you want a testimonial from them that you can show on your website that they took possession of the name/tm from you. have an ironclad contract. and offer the whole bundle to them for free. you've spent well under $1,000, maybe under $500 and now on your client list is a Fortune 1000 company. Then you have pseudo-experience under your belt... and start calling their competitors and offering up your services as the new maverick naming company for the Drug industry. We just opened shop and already hired by BLAH BLAH...

if you plan to do it w/o getting trademarks, you risk EVERYTHING. that whole creative naming industry is all about intellectual property and if you tease a company with your domain name, the first thing they'll do is see if it's TM yet, and if not, it will be soon. by them.

BRISK

Good points, although I'm not interested in starting a naming company myself.

Something I've wondered about before is what would happen if I registered a one word domain in 1998, but didn't do anything with it, then in 2004 some company got the trademark for that word, could they force me to give up the domain even though I owned it years before they got the trademark?

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By the way, what is the best domain back-order service? snapnames?

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re: creative naming:

I had to find my file...

these guys are famous and in demand:
http://www.ahundredmonkeys.com/

they are so good that they even link to their competition:

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Our naming and branding competitors
A lot of branding companies talk a good game. So how did they approach the most important naming problem they ever faced?
http://www.ahundredmonkeys.com/naming-companies.htm

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(get it? the most important thing should be naming their own naming firm and most of the naming firms have blase, bland, generic, everyday names)

all your research can be done on that page with links to 30+ firms. and to all domainers, don't grab any domains that these guys drop because they're all TM and these firms are EXTREMELY litigious. for some of them, it's their business model. drop a TM domain and sue to win it back. why? PR. "our name is so great that we had to sue a hacker to get back the domain they stole."

but the paydays are huge. Altria, Nexium, Alavert, Claritin, Clarinex.. most likely 7 figures+ paycheck

Taboo

let me make this clear for you... what you just described is a NAMING firm. Companies approach naming firms that present their portfolio of names that may be years old, but never BRANDED yet. If you contact naming firms, they'll never present your name to a client because that's less money for them and you are INSULTING their artistic vision by interrupting the creative process. or the naming firm will take you domain, switch some letters around and WOW, they've got a brand new name to sell. naming firms will think of new names for a client that has already gone thru the list of current names and hasn't found one yet...

MasterBlogger

That's who will buy SexEducation.com/net/org/tv

Steen2

www.eNom.com and www.Pool.com

It al depends on how you use the domain. According to the UDRP you SHOULD be able to register googlesearch.com 10 years ago and start up a search engine this year, HOWEVER, in WIPO cases it really depends on how you use the domain right now, or how you used the domain.

This is what I think is true, and I am not a lawyer, and this isn't legal advice.

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Taboo, I will send off an email tonight/tomorrow,
Thanks!

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Taboo

of course, they'll threaten to sue you if they plan to start branding it. then you, your lawyer, their lawyers will talk.

Taboo

pool.com
namewinner.com
enom.com

snapnames works when it works but you pay even if it doesn't work. you end up getting a credit to apply to another domain.

Steen2

Taboo,
Snapnames changed to a fee-less auction model today.

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Taboo

good night all. i'll catch up tomorrow.

BRISK

Do you know of any cases where this has happened before?

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