Pot grower faces murder charges for firefighter deaths - GoFuckYourself.com

BigWebRev · 08-21-2004, 02:31 PM

PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A house blaze that killed two firefighters started in a tangle of wires and lamps that were installed to grow marijuana in a basement closet, authorities said.

The man who police say was responsible for the drug operation was charged with third-degree murder.

Fire Capt. John Taylor, 53, and firefighter Rey Rubio, 42, died Friday when they were trapped by quick-moving flames while trying to find the source of the fire.

Fire officials said the fire started in the wiring set up to run the lamps and fans used to nurture the plants, and spread more quickly because the hot lights had dried out the wood in the closet.

In addition to murder, Daniel Brough, 35, faces charges of marijuana possession, involuntary manslaughter and causing a catastrophe.

Philadelphia District Attorney Lynne Abraham called Brough "reckless," "foolish" and "greedy."

Taylor, a 32-year veteran of the department, and Rubio, who had been fighting fires for 12 years, appeared to have died of smoke inhalation, officials said.

exposed · 08-21-2004, 02:32 PM

exposed · 08-21-2004, 02:33 PM

that sucks

Chris · 08-21-2004, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by BigWebRev
PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A house blaze that killed two firefighters started in a tangle of wires and lamps that were installed to grow marijuana in a basement closet, authorities said.

The man who police say was responsible for the drug operation was charged with third-degree murder.

Fire Capt. John Taylor, 53, and firefighter Rey Rubio, 42, died Friday when they were trapped by quick-moving flames while trying to find the source of the fire.

Fire officials said the fire started in the wiring set up to run the lamps and fans used to nurture the plants, and spread more quickly because the hot lights had dried out the wood in the closet.

In addition to murder, Daniel Brough, 35, faces charges of marijuana possession, involuntary manslaughter and causing a catastrophe.

Philadelphia District Attorney Lynne Abraham called Brough "reckless," "foolish" and "greedy."

Taylor, a 32-year veteran of the department, and Rubio, who had been fighting fires for 12 years, appeared to have died of smoke inhalation, officials said.

Can I have a number to contact you at or an icq?

Thank you
Chris

BRISK · 08-21-2004, 02:35 PM

How is that murder? I could maybe understand it being manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide, but murder?

freeadultcontent · 08-21-2004, 02:36 PM

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Taylor, a 32-year veteran of the department, and Rubio, who had been fighting fires for 12 years, appeared to have died of smoke inhalation, officials said.

Someone has to be tasteless and say it.

At least he went out stoned.

Ok I feel dirty now.

BigWebRev · 08-21-2004, 02:36 PM

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Can I have a number to contact you at or an icq?

Thank you
Chris

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Chris · 08-21-2004, 02:37 PM

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Jdoughs · 08-21-2004, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
How is that murder? I could maybe understand it being manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide, but murder?

When someone dies in the process of a crime, it is murder.

BRISK · 08-21-2004, 02:39 PM

Murder is the crime of intentionally causing the death of another human being. They think he intentionally caused the fire in the hope that it would kill someone? Am I missing something, because that sounds extremely unlikely.

BRISK · 08-21-2004, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by Jdoughs
When someone dies in the process of a crime, it is murder.

serious?

detoxed · 08-21-2004, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by Jdoughs
When someone dies in the process of a crime, it is murder.

The fire wasnt caused by a crime, it was caused by wiring. I bet he's found not guilty.

mardigras · 08-21-2004, 02:42 PM

So I take it if the electrical fire had been cause by too many things plugged in his entertainment system the murder charge would only be if he had a hacked satellite access card?

BRISK · 08-21-2004, 02:42 PM

I learn something new every day

Felony murder statutes
Many jurisdictions in the United States have also adopted felony murder statutes, according to which anyone who commits a serious crime (a felony), during which a person dies, is guilty of murder. This applies even if one does not personally cause the person's death; for example, a driver for an armed robbery can be convicted of murder if one of the robbers killed someone in the process of the robbery, even though the driver was not present at and did not expect the killing.

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Murder

Manowar · 08-21-2004, 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
I learn something new every day

Felony murder statutes
Many jurisdictions in the United States have also adopted felony murder statutes, according to which anyone who commits a serious crime (a felony), during which a person dies, is guilty of murder. This applies even if one does not personally cause the person's death; for example, a driver for an armed robbery can be convicted of murder if one of the robbers killed someone in the process of the robbery, even though the driver was not present at and did not expect the killing.

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Murder

woah, didnt know that was existance

freeadultcontent · 08-21-2004, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
I learn something new every day

Felony murder statutes
Many jurisdictions in the United States have also adopted felony murder statutes, according to which anyone who commits a serious crime (a felony), during which a person dies, is guilty of murder. This applies even if one does not personally cause the person's death; for example, a driver for an armed robbery can be convicted of murder if one of the robbers killed someone in the process of the robbery, even though the driver was not present at and did not expect the killing.

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Murder

Yup, dont you ever watch Law & Order?

bjjb · 08-21-2004, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent
Yup, dont you ever watch Law & Order?

LMFAO Exactly what I was thinking, even before I read your reply! ahahahahh

Magg · 08-21-2004, 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
The fire wasnt caused by a crime, it was caused by wiring. I bet he's found not guilty.

The wiring was being used for a crime.

BRISK · 08-21-2004, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent
Yup, dont you ever watch Law & Order?

I haven't watched in years, I got tired of the predictable & lame witty one-liners that the cops would always say. CSI is going the same route I see.

DWB · 08-21-2004, 03:14 PM

If weed was not present, the firemen would of just died during duty? Add some weed and it's murder? That's fucked up.

And if a fire breaks out in say... A pedos house and the firemen die while pedo material is in the house, the pedo will be charged with murder because it just became a crime scene?

So.... if we start fires at all the pedos houses...

EviLGuY · 08-21-2004, 03:18 PM

I think this is a little different then being the getaway driver for someone that murdered someone.

If a fire starts accidentally and the firefighter dies.. I don't see murder. Don't you have to have INTENT to kill someone to get murder? Causing someone's death without intent is manslaughter..

I dont think the murder charge will stand up.

Jdoughs · 08-21-2004, 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
If weed was not present, the firemen would of just died during duty? Add some weed and it's murder? That's fucked up.

And if a fire breaks out in say... A pedos house and the firemen die while pedo material is in the house, the pedo will be charged with murder because it just became a crime scene?

So.... if we start fires at all the pedos houses...

That arguement is silly dude.

The guy was commiting felony cultivation, while doing his job , the fireman, had to put out a fire that was created by an illegal activity. Its unfortunate that he died, and im sure the grower feels like shit that someone innocent died for his crop.

But he is responsible for the mans death like it or not.

dready · 08-21-2004, 03:20 PM

1st degree murder will never hold up in court... like he killed them on purpose.

BRISK · 08-21-2004, 03:22 PM

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1st degree murder will never hold up in court... like he killed them on purpose.

1st degree? Who said that?

Veterans Day · 08-21-2004, 03:23 PM

the idiocy on this board is purely amazing

DWB · 08-21-2004, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by Jdoughs
That arguement is silly dude.

The guy was commiting felony cultivation, while doing his job , the fireman, had to put out a fire that was created by an illegal activity. Its unfortunate that he died, and im sure the grower feels like shit that someone innocent died for his crop.

But he is responsible for the mans death like it or not.

It's not an arguement, it's an honest question.

This was not an intentional fire... it was an accident that just happened to be caused by LAMPS, which last I checked were not illegal. Growing, selling and possession of marijuana is, not having the lamps that grow it.

detoxed · 08-21-2004, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by Magg
The wiring was being used for a crime.

Its not a crime to have lights. Its a crime to grow marijuana. The lights were not illegal. The wiring was used for lights and fans. He will be found not guilty if it goes to court.

Veterans Day · 08-21-2004, 03:28 PM

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It's not an arguement, it's an honest question.

This was not an intentional fire... it was an accident that just happened to be caused by LAMPS, which last I checked were not illegal. Growing, selling and possession of marijuana is, not having the lamps that grow it.

dude are you serious?

Veterans Day · 08-21-2004, 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
Its not a crime to have lights. Its a crime to grow marijuana. The lights were not illegal. The wiring was used for lights and fans. He will be found not guilty if it goes to court.

If you dont think they will tie the possession charge in with the lamps and the grow operation, you definately smoke too much, your not gettin any sympathy from a jury killin a firefighter doing his job, dream on. The guy is done

detoxed · 08-21-2004, 06:48 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
If you dont think they will tie the possession charge in with the lamps and the grow operation, you definately smoke too much, your not gettin any sympathy from a jury killin a firefighter doing his job, dream on. The guy is done

We'll see. He'll get a lesser charge, I guarantee he wont be found guilty of murder.

Sly_RJ · 08-21-2004, 06:57 PM

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serious?

That's how they start out, but I doubt he'll end up with it.

In a society where a company can be sued and lose because a woman spilled coffee on her lap, someone can be charged with murder for causing a fatal fire.

fr8 · 08-21-2004, 07:00 PM

I feel bad that something like that happend. But thats just it, it happens. he wont be found guilty of murder.

MissMina · 08-21-2004, 07:02 PM

Where in Philly? I was born and raised there.

Living For Today · 08-21-2004, 07:04 PM

Only in america. but yeah....there is no way he will get done for murder. that would be fuckin ridiculous.

Doctor Dre · 08-21-2004, 07:22 PM

ROFL ... moral of the story : Don't grow weed in your own house (a place under your name)

08-21-2004, 02:31 PM	#1
BigWebRev Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: L A Posts: 1,631	Pot grower faces murder charges for firefighter deaths PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- A house blaze that killed two firefighters started in a tangle of wires and lamps that were installed to grow marijuana in a basement closet, authorities said. The man who police say was responsible for the drug operation was charged with third-degree murder. Fire Capt. John Taylor, 53, and firefighter Rey Rubio, 42, died Friday when they were trapped by quick-moving flames while trying to find the source of the fire. Fire officials said the fire started in the wiring set up to run the lamps and fans used to nurture the plants, and spread more quickly because the hot lights had dried out the wood in the closet. In addition to murder, Daniel Brough, 35, faces charges of marijuana possession, involuntary manslaughter and causing a catastrophe. Philadelphia District Attorney Lynne Abraham called Brough "reckless," "foolish" and "greedy." Taylor, a 32-year veteran of the department, and Rubio, who had been fighting fires for 12 years, appeared to have died of smoke inhalation, officials said.

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BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	How is that murder? I could maybe understand it being manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide, but murder? __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	Murder is the crime of intentionally causing the death of another human being. They think he intentionally caused the fire in the hope that it would kill someone? Am I missing something, because that sounds extremely unlikely. __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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mardigras Bon temps! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: down yonder Posts: 14,194	So I take it if the electrical fire had been cause by too many things plugged in his entertainment system the murder charge would only be if he had a hacked satellite access card? __________________ .

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DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	If weed was not present, the firemen would of just died during duty? Add some weed and it's murder? That's fucked up. And if a fire breaks out in say... A pedos house and the firemen die while pedo material is in the house, the pedo will be charged with murder because it just became a crime scene? So.... if we start fires at all the pedos houses...

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EviLGuY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: malta Posts: 12,745	I think this is a little different then being the getaway driver for someone that murdered someone. If a fire starts accidentally and the firefighter dies.. I don't see murder. Don't you have to have INTENT to kill someone to get murder? Causing someone's death without intent is manslaughter.. I dont think the murder charge will stand up.

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Living For Today Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,970	Only in america. but yeah....there is no way he will get done for murder. that would be fuckin ridiculous.