Not sure how close you've been following this story, but I didnt pull my comment out of thin air. Keep watching.. lots of normally strict republicans are calling this one horseshit..

On Thursday, McCain called on the White House to condemn the practice.

The White House distanced itself from the anti-Kerry ad, but declined to condemn it. Gotta love them lol

I know my facts. you don't know yours. any idea who's funding moveon.org? :1orglaugh

Also, pretending mccain is presidential material and that only ads paid for by a pro bush group kept him from winning is silly at best.

The difference is that the democratic candidate asked moveon to pull an ad that was below the belt. Republican candidate wont do that though, even when his own party asks him to.

It's not a party thing, it's a person thing..

domain name SWIFTWETS.COM is for sale

ICQ# 331-715-690

I really do think Kerry will be able to patch up a lot of our foreign relationships. He speaks fluent French and German. So that will go over well in his European diplomatic trips.

only in liberal la la land is telling a different side of the story backed by 20 people "below the belt"

oh wait, clinton lying underr oath was "below the belt" too. :1orglaugh

what's the translation for "I'm going to let you go back to making billions in the oil for food deal"

some relationships need to be shed, not patched,

The Republican party calling Vietnam veterans baby killers.

Now we've seen it all. :1orglaugh

Yes , he's got a plan..... but its secret so he can't tell us. Here are our new allies.....

http://www.hanoijohnkerry.com/images/KerrysGang.jpg

Some of those people also got medals for the very same thing Kerry did. Why didn't they give them back at the time and say they didn't deserve them then?

Holy shit, people are offended by the schools educatiing the parents to a decision they didn't know they had?

Oh yee of NO WITS, when I say "Bankrolling" I mean things like buying time for them to be on tv (PAYING FOR THE AD), you friggin idiot child!

And these vets are NOT telling the truth. God, even when you and your right wing lynch mob are caught red handed in bald face lie, even then you refuse to admit you're wrong. No wonder the right wing is hated so often!

Another bald faced lie..they used some of the same people in this commercial in commercials against McCain. Against McCain they said "As a vet, I find.." blah blah blah..no, McCain wasn't in a boat, but they still used some of the same people 4 years ago to knock on McCain.

Just because the same bunch of left-wing idiots repeating the same misinformation over and over and over again does not make it accurate.

The ONLY alleged connection with McCain is the Media Contact Merrie Spaeth. I believe she was involved with the TV Ad for the Swiftvets.

The UNSUBSTANIATED allegations are coming from the Kerry campaign....

"Finally, the Kerry campaign raised questions about the public-relations company O'Neill asked to organize the news conference. The campaign charged that the firm's president, Merrie Spaeth, was "part of the effort to smear John McCain in the GOP presidential primary in 2000" and has "close ties" to the Bush White House. Kerry supporters also suggested that Spaeth had something to do with the campaign against former Georgia senator Max Cleland in 2002"

Read the article for the details:
http://www.swiftvets.com/article.php...40706195926189

I would CHALLENGE all the big mouth, lying, ignorant LIBS to come out with ONE NAME of a person in the Swiftvets organization who has EVER INVOLVED with the attack on McCain.... Just one. Utter nonsense.


Also here is the photo which Kerry used in a campaign ad which pictures Kerry with his fellow officers in Coastal Division 11. He used this photo without permission, BTW. Of the 19 pictured in the photo with Kerry, 12 consider him unfit, 4 are neutral, 2 deceased, and ONE supports Kerry.

http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=SwiftPhoto

Going by what has been said by those on this board, these Navy officers are to dismissed as liars, without examining any facts.
The only thing you need to know is that Bush was AWOL.... yet another falsehood of course.

Thee guys that support Kerry are his subordinates which were on the same boat. Many of these guys are the ones who slept in the same barracks, ate at the same mess , and worked closely with Kerry in multi-boat missions. I wouldn't expect all the draft dodgers , and graduates of Lefty-U, who have never had one day of military training to understand that an officer works just as closely with the men under him as he does with his fellow officers ; his peers. Everybody in the same unit knows everybody else, who does what, etc..... Everybody DEPENDS on everybody else.

For those of you who blindy accept the BS spewed on this board, go no further.

For those with half a brain and who want to do their own research and make THEIR OWN DECISIONS I would suggest these sources:

http://www.swiftvets.com

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...s=books&n=1000 (#2 on Amazon)

Also here is the groups reponse to Senator McCain if your interested

http://www.swiftvets.com/article.php...40806160947883

I agree...

And I'm sure that most of Bush's classmates and servicemen he served with would say that he's fit to run the country... right?

:glugglug

So how about a comparatively equal parody picture of Bush meeting with his advisors -- the CEO's of the fortune 1000.

Here's some crow..EAT IT!

From the Washington Dispatch:

The "swift boat" veterans attacking John Kerry's war record are led by veteran right-wing operatives using the same vicious techniques they used against John McCain four years ago.
Behind the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are veteran corporate media consultant and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth, who is listed as the group's media contact; eternal Kerry antagonist and Houston attorney John E. O'Neill, law partner of Spaeth's late husband, Tex Lezar; and retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffman, a cigar-chomping former Vietnam commander once described as "the classic body-count guy" who "wanted hooches destroyed and people killed."

In 2000, Spaeth participated in the most subterranean episode of the Republican primary contest when a shadowy group billed as "Republicans for Clean Air" produced television ads falsely attacking the environmental record of Sen. John McCain in California, New York and Ohio. While the identity of those funding the supposedly "independent" ads was carefully hidden, reporters soon learned that Republicans for Clean Air was simply Sam Wyly -- a big Bush contributor and beneficiary of Bush administration decisions in Texas -- and his brother, Charles, another Bush "Pioneer" contributor. (One of the Wyly family's private capital funds, Maverick Capital of Dallas, had been awarded a state contract to invest $90 million for the University of Texas endowment.)

When the secret emerged, spokeswoman Spaeth caught the flak for the Wylys, an experience she recalled as "horrible" and "awful." Her job was to assure reporters that there had been no illegal coordination between the Bush campaign and the Wyly brothers in arranging the McCain-trashing message. Not everyone believed her explanation, including the Arizona senator.

And since you are so interested in the TRUTH, please note this fact also from The N.Y. Times:

"These assertions are garbage," said Gene Thorson, who was part of Mr. Kerry's crew on PCF 94, one of two boats Mr. Kerry commanded during his time patrolling the Mekong Delta.

"These people weren't there with John Kerry. If he hadn't made the right command decisions, in my opinion, we would be some of the names on that wall," Mr. Thorson said.

The ad was produced by Stevens, Reed, Curcio and Potham, the same firm that produced the presidential campaign ads of Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican, in 2000.

"I wish they hadn't done it," Mr. McCain said of his former advisers during an interview with the Associated Press. "I don't know if they knew all the facts."

Mr. McCain was one of the lead sponsors of the campaign finance reform bill that Mr. Bush signed in March 2002. But the law has been undermined by the emergence of "527 groups" -- officially nonpartisan under the Internal Revenue Service regulations that govern them -- that have helped Democrats outspend the Bush campaign.

"The president has been on the receiving end of more than $62 million in negative attack ads from shadowy groups," Mr. McClellan said. "The president thought he got rid of this kind of activity when he signed the bipartisan campaign finance reforms into law."

Mr. Kerry's camp says the group is the creation of wealthy Bush supporters and media operatives."

The New York Times reports " Mr. Kerry's aides circulated an 18-page packet discrediting the veterans group and linking its backers to Republicans, noting that a public-relations consultant the group paid $27,000 this spring, Merrie Spaeth, was also involved in a advertising campaign attacking Senator John McCain during his tough race against Mr. Bush in the 2000 primary in South Carolina."

And just who do you think STARTED this group in the first place?
One of the vets, right? NOPE!

From Salon.com:
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John McCain has described the campaign by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth as "dishonest and dishonrable" and has called upon the White House to disavow and condemn the advertisements. "I can't believe the president would pull such a cheap stunt," McCain told reporters.

It's notable that Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was formed not by a Swift Boat Veteran but by Merrie Spaeth, a Republican PR hack from Houston whose late husband ran for the office of Lieutenant Governer in Texas with George W. Bush. Salon has the scoop on how the campaign was organized. Suffice it to say that the money behind Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is the same money behind the George H. W. Bush Presidential Library Foundation.
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The group was formed by a woman, a NON-VETERAN! Can't be any sort of inlfuence peddling here can there now!
:1orglaugh

i just like how kerry is campaining on his service when the first thing he did after coming how was denouce his actions and the war. photo-ops with the same people he came back and said were evil.

Have you guys heard the "I am XXXX and I approve this message" at the end of campaign ads? Did anyone hear that at the end of the Swiftvets ad? The White House is the government. The constitution provides free speech w/o consequences from the government (contrary to Confucy/Microchick's beliefs, the constitution doesn't provide free speech on porn message boards :winkwink: ) yet people are calling upon the White House to condemn this ad.

What's wrong with this picture?

I am wondering why you think I "make stuff up."

If anything, I may have misunderstood your political position. I apologize but dont think I am "making stuff up" if anything I dont pay enough attention to what you say, but I am not making things up.

I have noticed consistent and persistent comments regarding this election or two candidates, and your comments have been "thats why im not voting for either"

over and over you have insisted that "youre not voting for either kerry or bush" almost daily now. i am not making things up. in bush threads and kerry threads you make it known you are voting for neither one.

so if youre not voting kerry AND youre not voting for bush, who are you voting for?

dont call me a liar, you know what i am talking about, dont try to pass it off as me making shit up.

now give me the story about other people and run along.

Exactly. Yet Kerry denounced the anti-bush ad put out by moveon that compared bush to hitler. He didnt have to, but it was the right thing to do. It's not complicated :)

Are you SERIOUS? Do you think there are only 3 people on the presidential ballot? :1orglaugh

Heck, you even SAID I sounded like I was Libertarian and I agreed. So that's ONE more presidential candidate, lol!

There are over FORTY presidential candidates for 2004! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Not only that, but who said I was even voting, LOL?! I merely said I wasn't voting for Bush or Kerry and I'm not. For some reason you not only created in your mind I SAID I was voting for Nader, but you're going so far as to argue with me about what I said and didn't say, hehehehe.

Again, please show me where I EVER said I was voting for Nader, which is what you claimed. :)

I know several kids that are going into the service. I actually saw one of the videos the service makes about flying with the young man and my family.

I have one word to say about these kids


"BRAIN WASHED " about Iraq

This discussion is pointless.
When it comes down to it , we have a boat crew saying one thing and his fellow officers and superiors saying another. You weren't there and I was not there. The book with all the details and the focus of this controversy is being published next week. It is going to play out in the media, kinda like the Bush/National Guard thing.

A few more points...

1)"Another bald faced lie..they used some of the same people in this commercial in commercials against McCain. Against McCain they said "As a vet, I find.." blah blah blah..no, McCain wasn't in a boat, but they still used some of the same people 4 years ago to knock on McCain."

You never provided a name of one of the Swiftvets who was in the anti McCain ad did you? You can't.
As I stated before *sigh* , Merrie Spaeth is their hired Media Consultant and nothing more. She did not found the group. Rear Admiral Hoffman and John O'Neill did. Spaeth has denied any connection to the MCCain ads. Even if she did have a connection, it is irrelevant. You are a parrot echoing the DNC party line.

"The group was formed by a woman, a NON-VETERAN! Can't be any sort of inlfuence peddling here can there now!" = False

Here is who runs the group.

http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=AboutUs


2)If you follow the "razor sharp" logic of Centurion and others, then Jim Rassman, the Army Green Beret that Kerry fished out the water, and his primary endorser and the convention should be ignored. Why? , well he is not even in the Navy , NOR IS HE A MEMBER OF Kerry's boat crew. So by your own rules his opinion doesn't count.

3)As was stated before, many of the guys in the book are pictured here:
http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=SwiftPhoto

Please note that Kerry USED THIS PHOTO as an endorsement without permission.
These guys are shown with Kerry in Vietnam. Shall I say it again???.
Only one of his fellow officers endorses him.

Personally, I think a candidate should stand on his legislative record. In Kerry's case though, he wants us to forget his last twenty years of his anti-miltary, anti-defense, anti-intelligence, and pro-tax votes. He wants us to forget that he is the #1 liberal in the senate. He has magically transformed himself from a medal tossing, anti-war activist in the seventies with contempt for the miltary to a war hero in 2004 complete with Steven Spielberg video. Now that the cornerstone of his latest "recreation" is being questioned, he and his minions are in a panic.

Ronbotx, how many times do you have to get beat down before you admit you were wrong, that Bush and swiftvets are lying pieces of shit and you know it and that you're voting for them anyway?

INTERESTING ARTICLE ABOUT RETRACTION:


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...cism_of_kerry/

Just don't vote for bush then

Bush admin ... playing a dirty campaing ? Don't surprise me at all

The other side of the story:
http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesui...unfit_aff.html

People that want to see Kerry fail and really work in our industry fucking amaze me. If W gets another fours years bad things are going to happen, period .

John McCain who endorses the president said himself watched it on TV they did the same the thing to me in 2000. What fucking liberal lie is that? What did he have in common with Kerry he was running against W so dont tell me he has nothing to do with this. If the same thing happened with candiates running against Clinton there would been a call for his head.

Do you HONESTLY think Kerry is going to be anymore less against porn than Bush is? You're fooling yourself if you think he's the savior you're making him out to be.

No you are living in a fox induced dream its a fact the most porn prosecutions happen during Rep admins thats a fact not my opinion.Talk to Adam and EVe they spent a million dollars fights the doj during the Reagan years. 911 slowed Johnny A down, this is a man who paid to cover a statues tits. Democrats arent porn saviors but its not a big deal they have better things to do then go after what consenting adults want. Go read this dear and tell me how untrue it is. What doyou think they hired Bruce Taylor for. WAKE UP !

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal...home-headlines

You might want to ask the two largest adult internet sites which administration was in office when they were harassed by the FTC and forced to pay high legal bills and fines :winkwink:

And you really think if Kerry's elected he's going to say to the public "I have decided to stop the current investigations into obscenity and it won't be started up again while I'M in office!"? :)

Is God talking to you? Were YOU fucking there? How do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt what the real story is? Have you read the book(unreleased) in question and examined the allegations?. Perhaps you have an advanced copy?.

Some of us believe that is is Kerry who is liar , in the great tradition of Bill Clinton. Happily the criminals, hypocrites, scammers, spammers, and druggies on GFY are not deciding the presidential race, the American electorate will on November 2.

Did you actually take the time to read the article ?

Obscenity cases came to a standstill under Janet Reno, President Bill Clinton's attorney general, who focused on child pornography, which is considered child abuse and comes under different criminal statutes. The ensuing years saw an explosion of porn, so much so that critics say that Americans' tolerance for sexually explicit material rivals that of Europeans.

Yes, I read the article. :) I take your answer to my question is "Yes"? :)

The cases that are set in motion will be in motion but new ones wont start as quickly Bruce Taylor will go back into retirement. You are a smart woman so I know you know what I am talking about but pro bushies on the board and others I know in porn all use the same weak argument because they dont want to think about the truth that getting this guy back into office can send lots of thier friends into jail .