That's pretty intense but I'll still vote for him. They all suck. I just want the guy in there that will let me do my business without trying to put me in jail. Oh, and the whole embryo cloning thing.

I'm sure in real life he's an asshole just like the other one.

like i said in another post these guys weren not on kerry's boat. They were only within close distance and non of the people on kerry's boat have said that thier story is true. The ad made for swiftvets was funded by Rick Perry, The governor of tx who served under dubya. He is of course a republican and somewhat far right wing

Here is more shit about Kerry

Kerry took no enemy fire for medal
Received Purple Heart for 'scratch' despite initial rejection
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=39831

Kerry was asked to leave Vietnam
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=39835

"Behind the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are veteran corporate media consultant and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth, who is listed as the group's media contact; eternal Kerry antagonist and Houston attorney John E. O'Neill, law partner of Spaeth's late husband, Tex Lezar; and retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffman, a cigar-chomping former Vietnam commander once described as 'the classic body-count guy' who 'wanted hooches destroyed and people killed.'"

Spaeth was also involved in defaming Clinton and McCain. Nasty people, these republicans...

Nice to see your reading such reputable news sites. Here are some more tasty headlines from their index page:

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and those links you posted are to excerpts from O'Neill's book about Kerry, the same O'Neill who is discredited as the head of this swift boat group.

Most conservative news sites have all the credibility of the National Enquirer.

Kerry killed the Viet Cong and loved every minute of it.
He should be proud of what they made him do.

i heard batboy is back :(

If this makes it to television then its bush for another 4 years.

:1orglaugh

Instead of reading and posting right wing lies, why not find out the truth?

Are you scared of the truth? :1orglaugh

http://www.mediamatters.org/

Right wingers can't defend Bush, so they attack Kerry with lies.

Then they post links to more lies.

:1orglaugh

yea isn't that the truth...


you ask a right winger why haven't we caught bin ladden and what are we doing to stop terrorism?

they answer: well well caught Saddam he was a terrorist and we caught him


so you ask when did saddam attack the US and where is his WMD?

they answer: well Saddam was a real bad guy, and I don''t like him, and he was a real bad guy and that's just how it is. And btw we caught him

You ask them to compare our national debit to when Clintion was in office and now?

they answer: we'll it's all lies it's all Clintions fault and that's how it is.. George Bush is a hero and we caught Saddam.

then...

..."this just in, TERROR ALERT

*insert creepy ghost noise and siren*

did you read the rest of the topic before posting, lol it's been proven the add is nothing but lies.

Doesn't matter. Stuff like this leaves a lasting impression and people will keep having doubts, no matter how untrue the ad may be. That's the cool thing about attacking someone's character instead of his political positions - you don't need hard facts, just insinuations, half-truths and twisted versions of reality, and it will have a big effect.

I was under the impression that the Navy only accepted reasonably bright people...I see that is not the case. I spent 12 years in the Army. My last position was that of PLT SGT and I knew the name of every man than served under me...as well as the name of every man in my Company...and many of the names from other Companies within the Battalion...and either personally knew about their actions or heard about their actions.

You are correct.

The guy that's doing most of the bankrolling of this group ALSO was behind a bunch of negative attacks on John McCain when he ran against Bush in 2000 for the Republican nomation. In fact, McCain has come out big time and bitterly denounced this group and their ad.

Guess the Army had MUCH lower standards eh? :1orglaugh

The same group of people did this exact thing to McCain during the primaries, thats why it was Bush running against Gore in 2000...

:1orglaugh , kill yourself now if YOU really thinnk you have a say so who will be the the prez of the united states of israel..i love how people feel they actually have a voice..I ONLY VOTE becasue and out of respect for those of died so i can vote, i know for a fact the winner has already been choosen :)

word

First you people forget the number Bushes people did on John McCain in the 2000 election they attacked his military service.
The Republicans had the balls to say Max Cleland wasnt patriotic, he only lost three limbs for his country.
It is fact that this is all Republican bullshit please dont be sheep you are smart people. Kerry served on active duty for four years, from February 1966 until March 1970, with approximately four months of that period as commander of a Swift boat in Vietnam.
He didnt have to sign up and he did. Lets talk about W's war record oh wait he doesnt have one. lol

I read this some where and its so true :
The Republicans who are questioning the military service of Senator John

Kerry should be embarrassed and ashamed of themselves, and not for the

specious lies that they are giving sanction to on the internet and in right wing

newspapers. No, they should be ashamed of themselves because they have the

audacity to question the patriotism of a man who graduated from the most

prestigious university in this country, and decides that he is going to volunteer

for the Navy. Here, you have a man whose way was made. He could have done

anything in the world, but he decided to serve his country as a young lieutenant

in the Navy. He served with distinction. He served with bravery, and he served

with the knowledge that he was doing something that was going against his grain,

and after he had shed blood and caused blood to be shed, he realized that the war

that he had never favored was indeed wrong. He was wounded three times, and

though Republicans try to make his wounds less than what they were---the fact is

that any wound that he suffered was more than all the wounds that the ?chicken

hawks? of this administration have combined.

From John F. Kerry: The Complete Biography by the Boston Globe Reporters Who Know Him Best


Why did Kerry, a Vietnam War opponent, decide to enlist? In addition to feeling obliged to serve his country (and wanting to go on the same adventure that his Yale friends were going on), Kerry says that part of the reason he enlisted in Vietnam was fear of the draft: "I called [the draft board] because I was thinking one of the options was, maybe I'll go study abroad, which was a euphemism for screwing around a bit, but it was clear to me that I was going to be at risk. My draft board ? said, 'Look, the likelihood is you are probably going to be drafted.' I said, 'If I'm going to be drafted, I'd like to have responsibility and be an officer.' "

So yes, he "volunteered" but it certainly wasn't the same level of the kids volunteering for today's military :winkwink:

But he did go he didnt hide in Texas like W? Why do you have no problem with W being a coward?

Mainly because I don't consider anyone who signs up for the military, be it active duty, National Guard or Reserves, a coward. :thumbsup

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,80834,00.html

"please hide my kids from the army recruiters, i dont want them filling his head with lies."

be all you can be

:thumbsup

A ship is divided into quarters, even the smallest. The LST I was on although considered a biggie to that squadron was small. There were many people I knew only from seeing them in the mess hall without "knowing" them because people worked/slept in their own sections of the boat. We took on marine troops and equipment for some cruises but although I met a few of them in the course of day to day I would have to say that neither I nor anyone else in my department could have told you the names of more than a few names of the marines lodging on board. Actually a good number of our guys hated when the marines were on board and avoided them.

The suggestion that people in the military would automatically know anyone nearby yet ouside of their berthing area is ludicrous. I can tell you that from experience. If that makes me "not bright" then that was the norm then, can't tell you about now.

I want one of these Kerry bashers to say he was his bunkmate and actually saw him do anything.

You are aware at that time signing up for the national guard was a way to avoid going to vietnam. Its not like it is now and he didnt show up for a large chunk of it.

You know this I know you are a very smart woman well read . How can you back W when there is a good chance he gets another 4 yrs you wont be able to make a living ?

Well duh - recruiters are the used car salesmen on the military! My son's recruiter promised him all kinds of crap. Thankfully my son was smart enough to actually READ about the situation himself and see what was true and what was stretched a wee bit. :thumbsup

Reading and understanding a contract before you sign your name to it, especially when it has to do with the next 4 years of your life = a good thing.

First of all, Bush was hardly the only person in this country who didn't want to go to Vietnam. I get a kick out of those of you who talk about how bad the Iraq war is and we shouldn't be there, but then condemn someone who felt the same way about the Vietnam war.

And if you think for one minute that the Democrats won't bend to whatever the public wants as far as porn, then you're fooling yourself. Politicians do what their constituents want. Whomever is in the offices of lawmaking come November will do whatever they are told to do.

Plus I am quite capable of making money in other industries besides porn and I don't plan on voting for Bush. :thumbsup

I wouldn't say I got exactly what I thought I was signing up for at 17 but I will tell you I would not trade my military experience for anything, hindsight 20/20 and all that:glugglug

thats right, every industry has a customer service department :Graucho

Without exception, when I was getting information for my son, every person I asked said it was one of the hardest things they'd done and they would do it again. A few even said THEY would have paid instead of being paid for it. :thumbsup

Thanks for serving! :)

Considering I made over six figures plus full benefits at my last corporate CS job, I'm not too worried :)

Plus I'm studying real estate and I plan on doing a LOT of investing. :thumbsup You'd be amazed how good customer service skills help when you're talking to the good old boy investors at the court house steps picking up tax sales and foreclosures! :)

I'm not going to rub it in like some, I swear:winkwink:

i love it, 6 figures and still mentiones "benefits"

:1orglaugh

no need to brag, after 20 years in customer service you should be making that. :Graucho

I can't believe that you are all still worried about who will be President when you know Rick James died today.

:(





BiAAAATCH

That's still F'ing me up:(

Considering those benefits were worth an additional $20-30K a year (even more if you include my MCI stock which I sold before Worldcom screwed it over), I'd say it's worth mentioning :)

And of COURSE you'd expect to make WELL into the 6 figures after any 20 year career - 'tis why I said I'm not worried if porn went away :)

But I'll have more fun in real estate, I think :winkwink:

Having a hard time with that, aren't you JR? :(

this ad won't fly right. i predict BACKFIRE. :2 cents: