I did not serve in the Navy or on a Swift Boat...but having done a little research (google)...a Swift Boat has a normal crew of 6 which includes the boat Commander which is normally a Lieutenant/Lieutenant junior grade/Ensign.

The boat has sleeping quarters for 3 and no mess...thus the crew does not live on the boat other than when on a mission. The crews of the boats of Coastal Eleven...when not on a mission...were barracked together as were the boat Commanders. The crews of Coastal Eleven would have messed together as would have the boat Commanders. The boat Commanders would have been briefed together for various missions and possibily all of the crews of the different boats may have been present for the mission briefings. They would have had intimate knowledge of one another and would have served on some of the same missions together. They would be either personally aware of one anothers actions or would have heard of one anothers actions. If I am not mistaken an LST has several hundred crew members.

Yet you throw innuendos around about Kerry's military service like they were one dollar bills! GEEZ!

You are delusional!
"Constituents" want MORE jobs, better paying jobs, health care, a good environment, a sound energy policy, better education and ways to afford it, peace prosperity and many other things down the line!

Bush hasn't delivered on even ONE of those.
So, you still think the Prez does what Americans want him to do?

Very good point:thumbsup

You are also so right, politicians only do what their major contributors want.

Come November your question will be answered.

Constituents have more power than "major contributors" when they choose to use the power. The problem is...just as there are always low voter turnouts...constituents exercise their power in...what I suspect...are even lower numbers.

I personally find it repulsive that Kerry is using 4 months of military service 20+ years ago as a campaign tool. Last I checked I still had the right to think what I want. :)

I'm better off financially now than I was when Clinton was in office.

You're also talking about several things that the federal government shouldn't be involved in, IMHO.

Health care? Why should the government be involved in this at all?

Jobs? Again - why should the government be directly involved in getting people jobs? Improving the economy, yes. Getting people jobs, no. The outsourcing and elimination of jobs is something that has been happening for decades, but all of a sudden the federal government should pass LAWS to stop businesses from doing what they want to be profitable? Absurd.

Education? This should be handled at the local level, not federal.

The more I can keep the federal government out of my life, the better.

Large contributors are comprised of constituents. Constituents also vote in politicians from the local levels of government which have more to do with running the federal government than the president does. :thumbsup

Kerry served on active duty for four years, from February 1966 until March 1970, with approximately four months of that period as commander of a Swift boat in Vietnam.
Bush didnt served at all and for his duty didnt show up most of the time. Also as far as you used to make six figures in corporate america I have no doubt you did but how long ago was that?The wrold has changed. What are you going to fill the large gap on your resume with you worked for wegcash and pure cash? lol

that's the commerical that everyone has been talking about

I don't think a military career (or much anything else) that happened 20+ years ago should be the crux of ANYONE'S presidential campaign, get it? :)

And since I've been working for WEG/Pure for 4 months AND I've continued running other businesses at the same time AND I get at least a call a month from someone offering me a job in the corporate world, I'm not real concerned about any gaps in my resume :winkwink: Most of the jobs I've gotten in the past 15+ years didn't even require a resume. Someone called, asked me if I'd be interested in working for them and we went from there. Right now the adult biz makes up less than 1/2 of my income. If it stopped tomorrow I doubt I'd go back to the corporate world and I'd still survive financially.

you assclowns have such limited brain power, its amazing you can scratch out a living.
these guys were on other boats that worked with kerry's boat.
take the story of kerry pulling a fellow soldier out of the water.
That day there were 5 or so boats patroling together. all crews from the other boats contradict kerry's acount of what happened. thinking they have to be in the same boat to know went on is as stupid as saying if an infantry man didn't share a fox hole with someone, they have no idea what this guy did.

the stupidity here never fails to reach new hights:1orglaugh

The bottom line is someone isn't speaking truthfully. I tend to think since the Republicans are getting behind in the polls, its them who are fibbing and fluffing to make Kerry look bad.

You are right. The current admin have a history of attacking veterans who run for office either their miltary record (John McCain) or questioning their patriotism(Max Cleland). I cant believe people are so dense not to see a pattern.

You sound more like a Libertarian than a Nader voter, but here goes.

You say you voting Nader, why? If you really believe this about Health Care then why does Nader want benefits for all on a National Level.

http://www.greeninformation.com/NADEERHEALTHCARE.htm

"Ralph Nader said today that health care in the U.S. should be provided by a national health insurance program providing comprehensive benefits to all Americans and funded directly by the federal government under a "single-payer" system. "

If you are going to voete Nader as you keep insisting on the board, you should at least do it because he agree with your views not just because you dislike Kerry.

I tend to think its the one's getting paid that are more likely to lie.
go find out how many of the Kerry boys are on the campaign payroll.

I also look at the count.
we've got what? 5 guys supporting kerry and 20 against?

This is how stupid the Bushies are:


"U.S. officials providing justification for anti-terrorism alerts revealed details about a Pakistani secret agent, and confirmed his name while he was working under cover in a sting operation, Pakistani sources said on Friday.

A Pakistani intelligence source told Reuters Mohammad Naeem Noor Khan, who was arrested in Lahore secretly last month, had been actively cooperating with intelligence agents to help catch al Qaeda operatives when his name appeared in U.S. newspapers.


"After his capture he admitted being an al Qaeda member and agreed to send e-mails to his contacts," a Pakistani intelligence source told Reuters."

Bush was correct when he said, "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

Some of the people getting some of the 100+ million democrats raised.

Throw enough shit and some of it is bound to stick or at least the smell will linger! :2 cents:

guys:
it's him or Bush...
And do you really want Bush in office again? Think twice!

VOTE KERRY! Or find another job....

Yea, it is just a coincidence that all of Kerry's command in Vietnam have absolutely not respect for his abilities. Don't worry about what the people that actually had to live with his ability to command have to say about him. Vote for him anyways.

He went to Vietnam, be it a day, a month, a year, or more. Does not change the fact that he actually went to war.
Do we really care if bad shit "did" happen during the war? No not really, bad shit always happens during wars, specially very ugly ones.
Was he very envolved with the anti-war movement when he got home, yes and that is not a problem. He was there and he had every right to speak out against the war.
Did he deserve the metals he got? Apparently, they Navy said so, so it does not matter what any person says after the fact.

Irony of ironies is that you want "government out of your life" but I'll bet you back the Homeland Security Dept and it's officials big time that has done nothing but TAKE AWAY indvidual rights guaranteed in the Constitution!

Yes, I'd MUCH rather have the government involved in jobs, education, health care than locking up people denying them of their civil rights and not even giving them access to a lawyer!

Go look and see who's BANKROLLING the anti-Kerry vets!

MANY of the same people who went after a TRUE BLUE war hero back in 2000..a REPUBLICAN named John McCain!

Not exactly a stellar record to prove honesty & integrity when it comes to telling the truth about this!

The Swift Boat group are being paid millions by Republicans - they are being paid to lie to bash Kerry. They get money for lying about Kerry. The more lies, the more money.

Every single guy on the boat with Kerry except one is supporting him. The other guys were not on the boat with him - some of them weren't even in Vietnam at the same time as him. :1orglaugh

Using your logic, I guess you are saying Gore should be president today - after all 500,000 more people supported Gore than Bush.

It's surprising to see you admitting Bush shouldn't be president.

:1orglaugh

correction. all the men that shared the boat with Kerry support him. the one who "didn't" was his former commander who has since recanted his derisive statements about Kerry's silver star.

that leaves one remaining swift boat crew member who happens to be deceased.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Every single guy under his command supports him.

Go spew your bullshit somewhere else.

Where was George during this time? AWOL :1orglaugh

Wow, Fletch, you sure spent a lot of time chasing down a rabbit that doesn't exist - please show me JUST ONCE where I said I was voting for Nader! Bonus points for showing me where I "keep insisting on the board" I'm voting for him! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

And I am a Libertarian with some Republican overtones - good catch. Too bad you wanted to make stuff up in the process. :thumbsup

dear halfwit, no one is "bankrolling" the vets telling the truth about kerry. Someone is buying time for them on TV so they can be heard.

blah blah blah
who the fuck cares
lets all make more threads about kerry and comment in each others so we feel good about ourselves

I'll play.

Dear quarterwit, everyone with at least half a wit knows this anti-kerry ad is pure horsehockey, including many of the normally staunch republican talking heads.

im not pro bush by anymeans, but i find it amusing how anything anti kerry is a socalled lie and anything anti bush is fact. grow a brain

They did this before to John Mc Cain who already said they did the same thing to me and to Max Cleland they called him unpatriotic he only gave 3 limbs for his country.

exactly. show them something shiny and they're mesmerized:1orglaugh

not true. they guys in kerry's unit (which consisted of more than the 5 people on his boat) have never spoken out against mccain or cleland.

No they are not guys on kerrys boat get your info right. It was the same group that did the ads against McCain in 2000. Know you facts.

Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, a war hero himself, denounced the Swift Boat group's ad as "dishonest and dishonorable," and pointed out the similar tactic was used against him four years ago during his contentious primary race against Mr. Bush.

I deplore this kind of politics," McCain said. "I think the ad is dishonest and dishonorable. As it is, none of these individuals served on the boat (Kerry) commanded.

lol, weird how if you're anti-bush, people tend to lump you in with the democrats or liberals :)

If any person, man, woman, of whatever party, had bushes record, I'd be anti-them too.

They resort to dirty tactics, they drop low in my book. They're idiots, they drop lower..
I was against the anti-bush ad that compared him to hitler. I was glad the democratic candidate decried it and asked that it be pulled.

I'd have been happy if the repiblican candidate decried this ad and asked it be pulled as well. They're both clearly beyond reason.