I hope you will remember writing those words when the time comes.

Oh absolutely, but not as bad as 2000 years ago.. :glugglug

Let me ask you something. I assume you are an adult, at least i hope you are. If someone on this board did nothing but reply to your posts calling you an idiot and doing nothing else, would you bother to read their posts or reply to them?

I would be happy to discuss topics with you, but if all you are going to do is call me an idiot for what I believe, there isn't much sense in my doing that. I AM NOT HERE TO ENTERTAIN YOU.

And you have still not answered my questuion about being an adult webmaster. If you cannot show me that you are in the biz, I have no use for you here.

Let me ask you this. Do you think that circumcision should be classified as child abuse? Do you think it should be illegal and that any parent who circumcises his/her child should be put in prison?

[4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Highly interesting. I love how they change their minds in the Bible.

God is all knowing.
God is all good.
God is all powerful.

Then why in heaven or hell would he have to or want to or PLAN ON changing his mind?

Oh trust me, I'll remember them. As a matter of fact, I'll get them tattoo'd on my arm.

If god is so full of himself that you either believe and get into heaven for eternity, or dont believe and get red hot pokers in the ass for all of time, then I must say, he's one self centered mother fucker.

If he does indeed exist, he's nowhere near as psychotic as the bible portays him, I can guarantee you that.

Or maybe its not a he. Maybe its a she, or... AN IT!

Personally? Yes, I think that it should be illegal. This is mutilation. Even if you use religion as an argument. You are still *mutilating* a human being. It's the same thing with female circumcision. It's widely accepted in Africa, The Middle East & Far East and it's still human mutilation. A human body should not, in any circumstances, be mutilated because of religion. Men are born with a prepuce. There is a fucking reason why.

NOT = NO LONGER. Animal sacrifice was a foreshadowing of the sacrifice of Christ. There is no contradiction here.

I heard that woman actually prefer men that are NOT circumsized

Ah, the God works in mysterious ways argument. Lovely.

I'll elucidate: If God intended his only begotten Son to be the ultimate sacrifice all along, why the distraction with playing with animal blood?

You do bring up an interesting point, namely, that male circumcision is widely accepted by the church and that female circumcision is considered an abomination.

A lot of doctors are starting to refuse to do them for fear of being sued down the road
It's just a matter of time before this goes to Supreme Court and will be exposed for what it really is

Oh BTW Boobmaster: You are actually here to Entertain me, ASSWIPE:321GFY

Did you sue?

Let's bring this thread to a close.

So, is he getting chop chop or not?

I think this thread should have made it easier for you to make a decision :1orglaugh

Ritual sacrifice was the method chosen by God for the atonement of sin. In order for the sacrifice of Christ to have any meaning, the whole ritual had to have been in place prior to Christ's crucifixion. The use of animals was a foreshadowing of the ultimate sacrifice to be made by Christ.

Christians believe that there are many references in the Old Testament to Christ. One such foreshadowing was the story of Abraham and Isaac. God told Abraham to slay Isaac, and he would have if God had told him not to at the last second. This is taken as a foreshadowing of Christ i.e., that the final sacrifice would come from thru the seed Abraham.

All very well and good. But how is circumcision any more "everlasting" than any other law stated in the Old Testament?

It is called an everlasting covenant. The law of the OT is everlasting, but Christians believe that we are no longer bound by it through the finished work of Christ.

To be a Christian is to be FREE of the chains of the law.

Ah.. so whosoever believeth in me shall not perish, but shall have eternal life. etc etc.

It's a matter of faith, now. You don't have to DO anything, just believe.

So why the circumcision?

Damn.. 13 mins later and no reply from him.. He must be looking for clues in the bible and/or the internet.. I can almost feel the sweat and abnormal heart beats from him..

I don't personally believe that circumcision is necessary for a christian. God made it an everlasting covenant with his people, the Jews. Religious Jews still practice ritual circumcision.

Out of curosity, why did you decide to chuck the whole born again thing?

No. I was grading exams.

Ah we have it in writing!


Jews. You know only 144 thousand or so people will ever get to heaven on Judgement Day? The number is predetermined, or so it says in Revelations. Those are slim odds, when you add up all the "souls" who have occupied earth since time immemorial.

I dumped the born again thing when my pastor encouraged me to read and to think. He knew where I was headed, and didn't try to slow me down. He answered my questions, but when most answers turned to "you just gotta have faith", I knew I was in the wrong scene. So I drifted away, taking some new thoughts with me.

An hour earlier you said that circumcision was better for the human health. Now you are saying that it's not necessary. Do you really have an opinion about it?

:1orglaugh

You have an unusual circumstance. In most cases its the
male who is all for circumcision while the mom is against
doing any harm to her child. Your wife is clearly abnormal
and evil and you should reconsider your entire relationship
with her.

Instinctively i feel that cutting chunks of sensitive skin off
a helpless baby is not a good idea.


- jpoker

i vote no

The 144,000 thing is a Jehovah Whitness teaching. It is not biblical. Were you a JW, by any chance?

The 144,000 are Jews, 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes of Israel. This does not include Gentiles (non-Jews).

ROFLMAO

Thanks for your spin on things...I'm off to the divorce lawyer now.

I dont think this thread is going to die anytime soon.

And the wife and I are still at odds about it.

No, I was not. Hmm.. I didn't expect to be mistaken here. But this is all I found:

[8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

[27] And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

But I couldn't find exactly who will be written in the book of life, only those who won't be. Geez, I probably got 144 thousand from some movie..

Revelation 7: 1-9
Pay particular attention to verse 9.

1After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3"Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." 4Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
___ 5From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
___from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
___from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
___ 6from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
___from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
___from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
___ 7from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
___from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
___from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
___ 8from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
___from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
___from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

9After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

Because it's less common, meaning it's not "normal".

When uncircumsized, when the penis is erect and you're having sexual intercourse, it almost looks like a circumsized penis because the foreskin is elastic-like and is pulled back to reveal the full head of the penis.

Those that are circumsized are naive, and don't know (unless you're gay friends with an uncircumsized dick).

Allow me to throw some fuel on the fire:

1) Every male mammal on the planet has a foreskin of some kind. It's very unlikely to be a design flaw on such a large scale.
http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/value.htm

2) Believe it or not humans walk around covered in bacteria, body oils, sweat and smells even after you get out the shower. We're animals, not sterile robots, get over it. You've just been told what to like by older generations and you're doing your sheep impression. Be reasonable.

3) Go figure. That 'stuff' under the foreskin is protective. It's even been recently discovered to be mildly anti-bacterial which helps prevent disease. Either way putting a child in a diaper without a foreskin for protection is hardly 'cleaner' is it?
http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/smegma.htm

4) Nobody has mentioned the frenulum, a web of tissue similar to whats under the tongue. It's highly sensitive and usually removed also.
http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/

5) Best guesses on why circumcision may prevent any disease is because of reduced surface area for transmission. It's the only procedure justified this way because people have been sold on the incorrect fact that the foreskin is redundant.

6) In the U.S., the constitution (you know that thing better people than many here died defending) guarantees protection from religion as well as religious protection. In other words, for those who do something for religious purposes, stay the fuck away from me and this countries' health policies.

7) Finally (for now) the supposed health benefits. Circumcision:
Prevents cancer in 3 old men a year.
Maybe reduces the incidence of an easily treatable UTI in 4% of children.

Kills 6 infants a year via complications rarely disclosed on the death certificates for liability reasons. Thousands more have complications including bleeding, infection, too much skin removed, bridging and hariy shaft skin. Get it all here:
http://www.cirp.org/

skin on is better for us guys and thats all we really give a fuck about.. we dont want a dried up cock because it feels harder for you... that bit of skin is gold and people without it dont know what they are missing out on.. i feel for them..

Good stuff man. Thanks for the info!

shit, are you guys still arguing about this? LOL

This maybe the thread of the week!

:thumbsup

this is infant genital mutilation. its an atrocity when its done to a female and its the same when its done to a male. if the guy wants to be circumsized let him do it when he's free and 21, dont force it on him as a child.

- Seth

Mine is small enough as it is. :winkwink:

I say get it cut, so that they don't make fun of him

Today, most of the world does not practise circumcision; over 90% of the world's male newborns are intact (not circumcised)

Most circumcised men are Muslim or Jewish and some in the USA.

Anatomical, neurochemical, physiological and behavioural studies confirm that newborn responses to pain are greater than those in adult subjects.

Infants circumcised with no anaesthesia (reflecting common practice) experience not only great pain, but also an increased risk of choking and difficulty in breathing.

Increases in heart rate of 55 bpm have been recorded, i.e. 1.5 times the baseline rate.

After circumcision, the level of blood cortisol increased by a factor of 3-4 times the level before circumcision.

As a surgical procedure, circumcision has been described as 'among the most painful performed in neonatal medicine'

This level of pain would not be tolerated by older patients and infants frequently go into a state of shock to escape the overwhelming pain.

Severe pain is always present during circumcision.

Now go ahead and Butcher your own flesh and blood

:glugglug

Dont cut the little fella's skin off. That's fucking inhumane. I dont know how people can even think of doing that shit.

NoCarrier & willow posted basically all factual information / myth-busters that you need to know regarding male circumcision.

Find their posts and read them. You'll be happy ya did. :)

Matt

Exactly, Besides that, Circumsized men are 99% man.

Bible contradictions....


"This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised." -- Genesis 17:10

"...if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." -- Galatians 5:2

Brilliant! You found it! Thank you thank you!

The entire quote is this:

Galatians 5
[6] For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

And that would be why it is predominantly a Jewish ritual, because they don't take much stock in the New Testament's writings.

I wish I had my foreskin. My dick gets cold in the winter.

If your son only showered once a week, he's got more problems than his cock. :winkwink:

Wow.. the bible sure talks about dick a lot....

Eitherway - disease and cancer surveys were found to be distorted due to sampling issues....
at that time, most uncircumsized males were from areas with higher prevalence of STDs and penile cancer (eg. Africa)...
As other's have said... An erect penis is very similar whether uncirumsized or not...

the skin'll help the poor guy from getting chapped if he plays with himself too much :)
and it'll give his gf or bf something extra to play with :)

hahahah
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Eitherway, societal norms are changing...

As a side fact, I'm not circumsized.. Never had a girl complain... never felt like a freak... even in the penis comparison's in grade 1!

wow, talk about being selfish. The only reason you're pro penis mutilation is because you think it looks nicer. Maybe we should feed baby girls something that makes their breasts bigger when they reach puberty.. I mean, since most guys think bigger looks and feels nicer?