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So my wife and I are expecting a baby. Because of this we are having by far the worst arguement in 11 years together.

She wants our son (if thats what we have) to be circumcised. I am flat out against it.

Am I just crazy? Would it make a difference to any of you?

Joesho

I would say yes, foreskin is nasty

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What are her reasons?

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yes

AmeliaG

It might be tough for the kid in American schools not being circumcized, but some people do believe that it does not lesson risk of infection and does decrease sensitivity. I kind of think this is one of those issues smart people disagree on.

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Congrats!

I'm cir and from what i hear ones that are not have a little of a smell! Plus, i think it looks better

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Don't you want your boy to have a pretty cock? I mean think of his future with the girls...

TheMob

what if it's a she? female circumcision is verboten.

Steen2

I would say yes.

I wish I was

Maybe it's just a desire to want what you don't have?

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TOUQUE POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ask her to cut of her eye lid.

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junction

She's Catholic.

She also says its "gross"

genomega

Just say no! The foreskin is there for a reason.

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I'm not circumsized and wouldn't want to be.

For all of you who say that it smells, should shower more often.

Cirrus

do you think that we are more clever than the nature itself?

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Jace

fuck yeah, unless your religious there is no reason not to

what if your son turns out to be a punk rocker who only showers like once a week...his dick would smell SO bad, and would you want your son not getting laid cause his dick had cottage cheese growing off it?

WiredGuy

Get the old snip snip. Firstly to please her religion and it is sanitary to get it. Is there a major reason you would like to have it not cut?

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Ross

I'm catholic and I'm not circumsised.....

Why do Americans hate that little bit of extra so much? US girls seem to detest it.

WWC

some say its cleaner but some say not doing it is natural

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Triple 6

it should be common sense...


"NO"


here read this:

http://www.my-penis.org/circ.html

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Triple 6

it would be sanitary to crazy glue your asshole shut too.

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WiredGuy

Not if you plan to walk and shit normally.
WG

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InsaneMidget

no, and teach the kid to clean the pecker once in awhile.

fr8

I say give it the snip. Im happy with the coice that was made for me.

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WiredGuy

Yup, me too
Snip snip!
WG

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Elli

Eeks! Aren't we out of the dark ages yet? Is "because I'm Catholic" really a good reason for mutiliating a baby's private parts?

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Thanks you Elli!

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Let your son decide when he is old enough if he wants to mutulate his body

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Yea because sex will be much better for him . I'm getting my dick chopped off soon ...

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WWC-Hagan

yes, and if the baby is a female, there's something called "female circumcision" as well

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jmk

why? just why?
cant we accept the way we are born?

Methodcash Rick

In many parts of Europe they think a pretty cock is one that hasn't been circumsized..

Lace

cut it.

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Mike Okitch

Fuck no.

It's there for a reason.

The religion excuse is pure bullshit.

And the sanitary excuse doesn't stand either. We have showers in this day and age and someone would have to be really sloppy on hygiene to mess up on pulling and cleaning. I say don't touch it, teach the kid to wash his dick as soon as you show him how to wash up and everything will be fine.

And junction, congrats to you and your wife on having a baby

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I guess this is thread related ;)
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junction

God Damn! Glad I'm not a Jew!

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http://www.nocircpa.org/4642.html

Ignore the Myths,

Get the Facts


The following cultural beliefs, or myths, are often used as reasons for circumcision. After each myth, some relevant facts are provided to present a more accurate picture of this procedure. Parents should understand the full implications of circumcision before making this irreversible decision for their child.

Myth #1: Circumcision is recommended by doctors and medical organizations

Fact: Circumcision is not recommended by any national medical association in the world. Fifteen national and international medical associations have extensively studied infant circumcision and its effects and found no significant evidence to support this practice. In March 1999, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) concluded that infant circumcision is not recommended as a routine procedure.1 The circumcision policy statements of the American Medical Association (AMA) and the American Academy of Family Physicians have concurred with this position.2-3 The AMA calls infant circumcision ?non-therapeutic.?

Myth #2: It?s just a little piece of skin, he won?t miss it.

Fact: The prepuce (foreskin) makes up as much as half of the skin system of the penis.4 It is an extension of the shaft skin that folds over onto itself, completely covering and protecting the glans (an internal organ) and provides the mobility of the shaft skin necessary for frictionless intercourse and masturbation. The foreskin has three known functions: protective, immunological, and sexual. It contains about 10,000 highly specialized nerve endings and several feet of blood vessels. An adult male foreskin, if unfolded and spread out, would be about the size of index card (3 x 5 inches), much more than a ?little piece of skin.? Many sexually active men circumcised in adulthood report a significant decrease in sexual pleasure and comfort because of the loss of sensitive nerve endings, skin mobility and natural lubrication.

Myth #3: The care of a circumcised penis is easier than an intact penis.

Fact: For the care of an intact penis, the AAP recommends, ?Leave it alone.? 5 No special care is required ? an intact child should have the external surface of his penis (and the rest of his body) washed regularly to keep clean. When a male is older and can retract his foreskin (which typically occurs by puberty), a simple rinsing is all that is necessary. 6 Other cultural myths about special cleaning procedures are just that ? myth.

Myth #4: Circumcision protects males from urinary tract infections.

Fact: Overall, urinary tract infections (UTI) occur at about the same rate in male and female infants during the first six months of life.7 Regardless of circumcision status, infants who present with their first UTI at 6 months (or less) are likely to have an underlying genitouninary abnormality. In children with a normal underlying anatomy, a study found as many circumcised infants with a UTI as those who retained their foreskin.8 The appropriate treatment for UTI, in males as well as females, is antibiotics, not prophylactic excision of the prepuce. According to the AAP, ?Urinary tract infections are usually not life threatening and are easily treated in most cases.? Breastfeeding provides some measure of protection against UTI during the first six months of life.9

Myth #5: Circumcision is effective in the prevention of penile cancer.

Fact: "The American Cancer Society does not consider routine circumcision to be a valid or effective measure to prevent such cancers... Penile cancer is an extremely rare condition, affecting one in 200,000 men... Perpetrating the mistaken belief that circumcision prevents cancer is inappropriate.'' 10

The American Medical Association, in a July 2000 report, states, ?? because this disease [penile cancer] is rare and occurs later in life, the use of circumcision as a preventive practice is not justified.? 2

Myth #6: Almost everyone is circumcised?I don?t want my son to be teased in the locker room.

Fact: The circumcision rate for males worldwide is about 15%. Even in the US, the only country that circumcises a majority of its male newborns for non-religious reasons, the circumcision rate is decreasing. According the National Center for Health Statistics, the US circumcision rate is approximately 60% (varies widely by region) and slowly decreasing. According to many intact males, the ?teasing? concern is vastly overstated. For many boys, genital status is neither an important issue nor one that is discussed. In the unlikely event of concerns later in life, at least the person can make his own decision about an irreversible body alteration that has no medical justification.

Myth #7: Circumcision is a simple and painless procedure? it only takes a few minutes.

Fact: While circumcision is a relatively quick procedure, it is extremely painful for the infant. The initial part of the process involves a forced separation of the foreskin, which is fused to the glans (head) in much the same way as a fingernail is joined to the finger. The AAP says the following about EMLA cream, one of the most common pain relief methods, ?The analgesic effect is limited during the phases associated with extensive tissue trauma?? 1 Although they cannot remember the pain as adults, circumcised male infants have increased pain response in vaccinations 4 to 6 months later.11 Circumcision appears to lower the pain threshold.

Myth #8: Circumcision makes the penis cleaner and more hygienic.

Fact: Circumcision removes the protective portion of mobile shaft skin, which is intended to cover the glans (head) of the penis. The glans is the internal portion of genitalia (for both genders). Circumcision artificially exposes and denudes this highly sensitive tissue, resulting in a buildup of keratin and a dry, densensitized part of the penis. And contrary to popular myth, more sensation does not lead tp control problems. Based on reports from men circumcised as adults, just the opposite is true. With more sensation, a man has better feedback and can better determine his proximity to the ?orgasmic threshold.?

Myth #9: Circumcision prevents AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs).

Fact: Some studies show that circumcision has a slight preventive effect for these AIDS and STDs; however, other studies show an insignificant or opposite effect. Either way, the bottom line is this: sexual practices have a much greater effect on the chance of becoming infected than circumcision status. If someone bases their actions on the belief that circumcision alone will protect them, they are taking unwise chances.

Myth #10: The history of non-religious circumcision is based on disease prevention.

Fact: Non-ritual circumcision evolved from a misunderstanding of bodily function by physicians of the late-19th century.12 Many doctors of that era believed that a normal foreskin could cause disease and lead to increased incidence of ?self-abuse.? John Harvey Kellogg, of cereal fame, was a proponent of genital cutting as a cure for this ?horrible practice.? He recommended performing circumcision ?without administering an anesthetic, as the pain attending the operation will have a salutary [health-giving] effect upon the mind, especially if connected with the idea of punishment.?

This fact sheet is a presentation of the Pennsylvania chapter of NOCIRC (National Organization of Circumcision Information Resource Centers).

References:

1. American Academy of Pediatrics, Circumcision Policy Statement - March 1, 1999

2. American Medical Association, Report 10 of the Council on Scientific Affairs (I-99), July 6, 2000

3. American Academy of Family Physicians, Position Paper on Neonatal Circumcision, February 14, 2002

4. Cold CJ, Taylor J. The prepuce. BJU Int 1999; 83:34-44

5. American Academy of Pediatrics pamphlet. Newborns: Care of the Uncircumcised Penis ? Guidelines for Parents. 1990

6. CIRP: Normal development of the prepuce: Birth through age 18. www.cirp.org/library/normal/

7. Marild S, Jodal U. Incidence rate of symptomatic urinary tract infection in children under 6 years of age. Acta Paediatrica 1998;87:549-52

8. Mueller E, Steinhardt G, Naseer S. The Incidence of Genitourinary Abnormalities in Circumcised and Uncircumcised Boys Presenting with an Initial Urinary Tract Infection by 6 Months of Age. Pediatrics 1997;100(supplement):580

9. Pisacane A, Graziano L, Mazzarella G, Scarpellino B, Zona G. Breast-feeding and urinary tract infection. Pediatrics 1992;120:87-89

10. Letter from the American Cancer Society (National Home Office) to the American Academy of Pediatrics, 16 Feb 1996

11. Taddio A, Katz J, Ilersich A, Koren G. Effect of Neonatal Circumcision on Pain Response During Subsequent Routine Vaccination. Lancet 1997;349:599-603.

12. Gollaher D. Circumcision: A History of the World?s Most Controversial Surgery, New York, Basic Books, 2000

IF I COULD DO IT, I'D SUE THE FUCKING DOCTOR THAT CIRCUMCISED ME

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ztik

Cut it. It looks fuckin gross with that floppity ass skin there. If I wasn't cut when I was born, I prly would have got cut at an older age.

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hes not living in europe, irrelevant

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Elli

It's not ass skin, it's penis skin.

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Marcus Aurelius

most definitely snip the kid. he'll thank you.

cosis

snip that nasty piece off

EviLGuY

Wouldn't make a big enough difference to me to be arguing about it.. do a deal. Let her circumsize the kid if she does or lets you do x.

chodadog

It's sanitary to shower every day. Don't butcher your child, man. Convince her of the benefits. Somebody made a great post about it a while ago here on GFY. I'll find it for you.

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NoCarrier

Do a deal with her, if she wants mutilate your son, she has to mutilate her clit also.

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sumphatpimp

I can't believe a part of the anatomy that is rarely seen offends so many people.

its that head thing on top of your shoulders that offends me.
and it has that brain thing in it, all yucky and stuff.
you should cut off that head thing, thats where all the offence comes from.

PenisFace

please dont allow your son to be circumsized. Women who don't like foreskin are whores anyway.

I'm not cirumsized, and I'm damn proud to admit it.

chodadog

Everybody should at the very least hear both sides of the arguement before doing something as terrible as mutilating their child.

So we can see that plenty is lost from circumcision. What is gained? Would appreciate it if one of the pro-cirumcision folks would rebutt.

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PrivateIvy

yes you are crazy.....

circumsize....don't raise a child that will be ashamed in front of his friends or girlfriends when he grows up.

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PrivateIvy

Lots to be gained..and only the anticurcumcision folks can claim the "pros" of it.

Never heard a circumsized guy complain about it. They have lost nothing.

Here's a pro: sexuality The majority of females in the US find a circumsized penis much more appealing. Females also feel more with a circumsized penis because it gets much harder .



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