Fucking a... anyone who would still send traffic to Jeff is a fucking moron.

Roger, I've got nothing but respect for your company. I'm not an anonymous keyboard warrior and I'm not a competitor. I think hiring Jeff was by far the dumbest, worst business move you've ever made.

As long as you can gurantee that Jeff has no access or influence on any of your sites/programs except the Perfection Girls program, than my mind is at ease concerning your program.

All this seems like you really really really have a problem with moral and honesty in general.

I've tried to figure all this out because I don't know you but after that comment about making a site and sell her as 17 year old I'm 100% sure I won't be point any of my sites your way.

Making such a site is not the same as being ignorant.
That's trying to sell to the wrong kind of customers.

Webmaster community or not, you should know by heart not to do such a thing.

Not taking any sides, i was never directly involved so my opinion wont mean shit anyhow.

I think pornkings would have been much better off just buying the entire operation and leaving Jeff out. No offense to him, i dont even know him .. but it sounds like majority is ruling against him and his operation, which will pay negatively on pornkings.

Aside from that im all about second chances, I myself have been given several even right here on this board.

I think many guys just wont send traffic out of pure principle, but those who do should watch stats VERY closely, study every last bit of them.

Will i send jeff some traffic? Id consider it. Knowing that pornkings is backing them gives me a sense of security, regardless of past issues. Money talks and thats the bottom line. If the sites make cash and you know you will get your money, what is the problem? lol

Good luck for you guys, seams like you really need it .... i just hope to god some of the accusations made in this thread are not true (the underage nonsense) and that pornkings is true with their backing (which im sure they are)

PS Jeff, quit the "see sig" shit, it really strips your posts of any sincerity. :2 cents:

Mike AI, and Fletch, cheers for being very honest regardless of how others feel.

its good to see a few big names step out of the box and express how they really feel.

Youre right. Totally agree. Even though she was 19 it was still a move I regret. Learned my lesson.

what is fletch's very serious question that hasn't been answered?


Not a Problem but when people attack me or our rep. they have crossed the line. If they don't know our history they should keep there mouth shut. We are one of the few companies who have remained in this biz since 96 and there is a reason for it.

To be honest I had no idea about most of the problems Perfection Cash had in the past because of all the webmasters pushing the program when looking at the numbers.
What I do know is they will never happen again.

Jeff made many mistakes but that was in the past and he has made good on them.
I've seen many programs over the years make the same mistakes and take everyone?s money and cash out etc. And I can't wait to see how many companies go out of business this year.

I?m not defending what he did in the past that is not my problem but he is paying for it because it has cost him is company. No need to go into detail.. I hate when everyone keeps kicking someone when they are down. And I will defend anyone under the same circumstances.


Most of the people talking shit have no idea what it takes to run a successful company in this industry. Yet they seem to think they know everything.

I know how the boards work and don't worry I'm not going to lose any sleep over it and I know for a fact it has benefited us by the webmasters who have signed up.


I also know the only thing that gets us exposure and webmaster sign ups is when something is controversial. When we do something innovative which we have done many times just look at our program. It hits second page in 2 seconds and never gets the respect it deserves.

So bring on the drama bad press is good press I know this because of the numbers

Everyone knows I am down to earth, trust worthy and try to help as many people as I can be successful in this industry.

We are a company you can trust for many years to come.

I will give you 1$ if you point out where i attacked you or your rep.

show me where i attacked you or your rep.

you jumped in here accusing me of never sending you traffic, I made a deal with Jeff, NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I was posting, to and about jeff...

seems you dont know *our* (jeff and afiliates) history, so maybe you should keep YOUR mouth shut.

Perhaps this has been answered or asked earlier. Did Jeff pay back each and every webmaster who sent joins for the rebills that he shaved? Did he pay them back for the rev share increase bonus he promised after a certain amount of revenue but never delivered on?

damn I missed the prime sig placement

Thanks for your comments.

Send us some traffic. Give it a shot. You will see what we are talking about. It wasnt an issue of webmasters getting there weekly payouts. They were always paid, everytime with ccbill. We never cut our own affiliate checks. The issue stems from rebills. Not many... that did not get paid. We have since paid all of them back and doubled the money of the people that lost the rebills.

As for luck.... well luck can be good, but the sites stand on there own. We have three times the daily traffic now as we did before this shit storm happened 8 months ago. We were running about 20k in uniques a day then... today we are over 60k a day and all from new affiliate traffic. We never did much more 50 sign ups a day... yesterday we did 160 joins and its growing everday.... who knows where the sales will end today. We have already done half of our total sales for July in the first 3 days of Aug. Its going nuts! SO luck, sure... it thats what you would like to call it then sure... give me more of that. :)


As to the underage nonsense.... never once have a had a site with an underage girl on it... period. Everything I have shot from day one is fully compliant with the new 2257 regulations. The girl in question is currently on our sites and I have all the documentation for her.

Anyways, thanks for your comments.


Jeff

You guys are so gullible its not even funny, eat it up then switch sides.

Can?t figure out why a thread posted ?We fucked up.. and we're very sorry.. now we are moving forward!? would make one trust Jeff.

It was answered earlier, but the answer is yes. Every webmaster that came forward was paid back... not just in full, but we paid them double what they lost. If other webmaster feel they are owed on rebills... please, let me know and it will be handled right now. To the best of my knowledge.. everyone that came forward has been paid and again... double what they lost.

Not one person has come in here saying I owe them a dime. I did post in this thread about one webmaster that we did owe a bit to and have already cleared it up in this thread. I had been waiting on a wire info email from him, which I did receive tonight. The amount owed to him is a little less then $200.00 If there were webmasters and designers and the like that I still owed money... it would have certianly come out in this thread. It was pinned at the top for hours.

If and when we did any revshare percentage bonus the adjustments were made through CCBill and would have been refected in the webmasters CCBill checks. People sometimes forget that we did not cut or own checks and used CCbill stats and payouts soley.

Thanks

thanks for not adding "see sig" at the bottom, i know you were tempted lol

Thanks for the cliffnotes on the situations, though you dont owe me any explenations since i was not involved nor do i know anyone that was.

if you got to the point where you had to scam or whatever, means you were pretty broke and run through the mills ... congrats for bringing yourself back up and merging with a good name. I trully hope it all works out for you.

As for the GFY crowd you cant blame them for being either hesitant or outright hostile towards your return, it will take some time and LOTS of heat before you can live down any bit of bad rep ... i have been down that road myself!

I would make a suggestion, maybe some kind of incentive for webmasters? maybe an increased payout or something? Personally i think $200 is a weak prize, even if there is 10 of them ... just my :2 cents:

i mean imagine the hype had you come out saying "listen i did fuck up, but now pornkings is in charge and on top of that we are paying 75% for 6 months ...." or something of the like?

However i do achnowledge that both you and Roger have been in this business far longer than me, and have made it much furthur than myself, so you guys would know best. im simply stating my opinion as an affiliate.

good luck again.

And I never thought for a second it would change people minds by just one post. Actions speak much louder then words. Time will prove that I am serious and sincere.

I'm not looking for a one post fix... hell this has been going on for 8 months. However, I had to start somewhere, and this seems to be a great place and way to start.

:thumbsup

How can this be done? And I am not flaming or starting shit here... and please keep Roger out

I would like to know how I am supposed to calculate any sales lost if rebills were turned off?

Lets, say I am the sweetheart I really am, I have CC Bill open, lets be hypothetical, how and where do I look up what me, as an affiliate is owed?

I am NOT being an asshole here, just curious. How this can be calculated.

mmm... I'll give it a short try, but knowing that you lost ONLY 27 rebills makes me think you don't rebill or you made 5 sales. I don't know. Either way, I'll push some traffic and see what happens, not because of your reputation (which obviously is very bad) nor your apology (which seems lame) but just to test how honest are you coming. I hope you don't need to do this kind of threads again, not because you wasn't catched, but because you decided to be honest.

That's all by me, just my 2 :2 cents:

i think if i were in this position i would hold the company responsible for my avg amount of rebills i would have made durring the period .... anyone sending a good amount of joins has a very good idea of future earnings at any point.

if my avg were say 50 rebills per month over the previous 6mo, i would assume the same for the period they were off.

do you guys know the exact period or timeframe they were turned off? has it been established?

I would have to look at your account Fletch. Since we did all of these about 7 months ago, truthfully.. I have forgot how we came up with the actual rebills lost. I was shown by an affiliate that proved to me this was actually happening back when the shit hit the fan.

I do know that once rebills were turned back on, if you had a surfer who was still a member, your rebills kicked back in. I also know it was just one month that the rebills were off. It should be pretty easy to see once I get in there and look.

If you want... hit me up on icq and we can go through your account together and find out if you lost any rebills and get this made right if you did.

I dont have your account info or I would do it myself and let you verify things.

Fair? If we find some, you have my word I will make it right.

I see what you are saying Rich, but i know we can get this to the exact number of rebills lost. I know we did with Rowan above... he lost 9.

To be honest I have no idea why I jumped down your throat other than you are trying to destroy the veracity of my investment. If someone kept trying to take money out of your pocket you would get upset as well.

If you can show us proof of any fraudulent activity in the past with the program I will make sure personally to ream Jeff?s ass but from what I know, most is speculation and taken totally out of context. Other than him having problems for one month on rebills, which were resolved.
I have spoken to many of the people complaining and most of the problems were minuscule and resolved immediately.

I told you, in a past thread, to call me and resolve it yet, you continue to keep attacking someone who is down (and this goes to Mike AI as well). I also respect the fact you are the only two bitching and not hiding behind an anonymous handle. I commend that.

But at this time I would like to see proof of the accusations being made.

I respect that:thumbsup

But now if you don't get paid you can talk shit about Pornkings not JEff :winkwink:

you call me a liar then expect me to prove anything?

I have said ONE THING ROGER.

Jeff was exposed for shaving rebills.

you are the one who came in here calling me a liar. Now you expect me to even address you? Get out of my face

I made a gallery campaign deal with Jeff 9 months ago and you step into it now?

whatever, i owe you nothing.

aww hell, i forgot you have access to exactly the amount of members each affiliate has, and which ones were still there after the thing turned back on.

also i guess you have a list of cancelled members within the period?

should not be very hard to figure out the exact number of rebills lost, and then double or tripple the number to maek the affiliate happy about the situation .... make him glad you screwed him (dont mean to make a joke about it lol) lol

you guys know this business way better than myself so im sure you know what to do.

Why do you need to look at my account if when you turned them on all rebills kicked in?

Seriously, I want nothing from you,

I just dont appreciate being called a liar about this.

you KNOW you and I made a deal with galleries, you gave me member access, I watermarked directories of your content BEFORE it was in your paysite, you deny any of that?

you can keep your rebills and your money, i wont accept Rogers money anyway.

you know we had a deal, i just dont like being called a liar about this when you and others know.

Yeah, its not hard. I just need to get his account number from him so I can check it out. And trust me.... if we find some lost rebills... Fletch will get paid.

We will have many more incentives.

Right now you can promote the Perfection girls in Pornkings and turn one of your sales into $7,500 in our Lotto Pool (see sig)

get paid $35 on a $5.99 a month membership
get paid $25 on a $1 trial for a full month
Get paid $25 on a free trial

We have many options to make money of the Perfection girls not just rev-share but the choice is yours and you will get paid. either way


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My name is not on the account, and my business partner has asked to be left out of this.

I am bowing out so you people drop it.

I have nothing else to say, My point has been more than made.

I never sought money in the first place.

Best of luck...I think you really need it. :glugglug

To see if you lost any during the time period they were down. I have 1300 affiliates....I cant find your name or ID number.

Im not calling you a liar at all. Never once said that. I want to make this right. Thats it.

We did some gallery stuff... sure. I never once said that we had not talked and done some things together. Do I remember all the details... no.. I dont. You say it ws about 9 months ago and you helped me build my program. Fletch nine months ago I had 950 affiliates. I have 1238 now. I had my actual program open a year before you joined. You were not there in the start of it all and you sure were not the first. Its cool, ment no disrespect, but I wanted to clear up some facts.

[IMG]you can keep your rebills and your money, i wont accept Rogers money anyway.[/IMG]

Its not Rogers money... it comes out of the PerfectionCash side which is comes out of my budget and my pay. Hell. i will pay this out of my own cash. No worries there. Just wanna make it right if need be.

Other then you being an affiliate I am not aware of any deal above that. Please, hit me up and icq and lets work this out. Or at least handle it and go our seperate ways.

Let me know what you would like to do. Im all ears :)

If someone really owed me money I would I would want to resolve it.
I'm not trying to be a dick I just want to get to the bottom of everyhting

So is it about rebills or did he not pay you for some galleries? I personally would like to get to the bottom of this and since you brought the heat we are going to clear it up on the board. If that?s ok with you.

If not We will all take it as another attempt to slander the program

Lets clear the air now even if it makes Jeff look bad I want to get to the bottom of it. Kewl?

I like many affiliates logged in and confirmed rebills were set to stop after 1. Do you need me to post linsk to the old threads? You want to prove i am telling a lie about this?

Simple enough?

I need not make anyone look bad, and you really should bud out of this.

It has nothing to do with you really, it doesnt.

Ya know what I like most about you Roger, there are so many others in this thrwead, giving you and your program shit, but you feel threatened by my posts, I wonder why.

You add validity to them whether you know it or not...

:thumbsup

Fletch: why not take the money if you're owed it.
You're making no sense. You drunk?

regret? jeff has made more "mistakes" then George Bush!!

:1orglaugh

Please just one more time. One more.... Pretty please.

I am Fletch's business partner and I have no desire to pursue this matter with you and jeff.

It doesn't go any deeper than what he has already posted.

He is not here slandering your program or posting anymore than what others have already posted.

Can you please get off your high horse now and leave us alone? I think your thread has enough exposure already, no need to use Fletch and myself as a reason to pursue it.

Thanks, and I am sure you are professional enough to let this drop now and address more important issues you most likely have.

His last post seems to be :glugglug or he is just mad

:)

Trust me you will not be the only one. I'm going to call everyone out if it continues Nothing Personal Just Biz.

All those threads were flamers he has already explained the problem with the rebill situation. The past does not concern me
Unless people think they are owed money still. If that is the case please call our 800#'s so nothing is out of your pocket.

If people really think they got burned and I have posted this before I will make good on it if I can earn your business back.

Shit for that matter if any program fucked you and I can earn your business I might consider paying there dept.

That how far I bend for people even when I don't have to.

Fletch nothing Personal Sorry if I attacked wrongfully its not my style I just had a bad day with my mother going to the Hospital today for surgery on her heart etc, I took allot of my anger out on you.

I am just so tired of all the hate when I go out of my way to help everyone I finally snapped today.

In my eyes Fletch you and me are kewl

Why do you have to keep going on with it really?

How did he fuck you? was it a rebill issue if so lets resolve it now?

Or because you just Don't like him?

rog, hope your mother has a quick recovery from whatevers ailing her.

I respect that. Just trying to protect my investment.
and clear the air.



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Oh too many issues to list. But those are 2. He did personally scam me, ask Luke he can fill in with details.

I think the industry is filled with enough crooks as it is, we certainly don't need to recycle old ones. The heard is thinning, stupid to save those who don't have ethics.

Roger why did you not just buy the clown out? You get this guy out the picture, I wll be the first to send traffic to the program.

However as long as jeff is in the picture, I will never send a hit, and I will always take the chance to remind everyone of his "regrets" and his "heartfelt apologies"