Do you use Plesk control panel? - GoFuckYourself.com

pussyluver · 07-31-2004, 10:30 AM

It makes managing your own server a whole lot easier. So you don't have to be a BSD or Linux wiz to get your own server online. You don't even have to understand Apache or BIND for name servering.

Are you sticking to shared hosting cause you're afraid to manage the server yourself?

pussyluver · 07-31-2004, 10:32 AM

Wonder how many are going; What the fuck is he talking about?

maltrix · 07-31-2004, 10:33 AM

well i think works cool, but doesnt have a nice interface, i think 4 somebody who looks 4 a pretty cool interface cpanel (bluealagoon) will be better

johndoebob · 07-31-2004, 10:34 AM

If you don't have a clue about *nix get a managed server you can't secure anything with those panels, you need to use ssh and do it yourself so if you don't have a clue don't get an unmanaged server otherwise you'll get hacked sooner or later or you just won't know what to do when you get into problems.

Doctor Dre · 07-31-2004, 10:34 AM

This is gonna sound lame but ... I use windows servers ... Actually not on every projects but my programmers are all doing ASP.net .

And I got people to take care of my shit if needed anyways so I never tried a dedicated host with a CP .

cspdinc · 07-31-2004, 10:35 AM

it works fairly well for me, It made setting up the last 20 sites a breeze compared to our old outa date raq 4s (hated them) and their lame ass admin panels.

pussyluver · 07-31-2004, 10:37 AM

Haven't given cpanel a try yet. I have been using Plesk for years and am confortable with it. It took awhile to learn how to get scripts working and where everything is .

Have a number of databases.

How hard would it be to migrate now??

pussyluver · 07-31-2004, 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by Doctor Dre
This is gonna sound lame but ... I use windows servers ... Actually not on every projects but my programmers are all doing ASP.net .

And I got people to take care of my shit if needed anyways so I never tried a dedicated host with a CP .

Damn Dre - Microsoft! Ouch!! Understand about having the programmers and all, but the risks and overhead of IIs. wow.

pussyluver · 07-31-2004, 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by johndoebob
If you don't have a clue about *nix get a managed server you can't secure anything with those panels, you need to use ssh and do it yourself so if you don't have a clue don't get an unmanaged server otherwise you'll get hacked sooner or later or you just won't know what to do when you get into problems.

Sounds easy, but managed servers cost way more. Hosting companies are now providing firewalls on the servers. I know that is not the total answer, but it helps.

Another solution is to use a CP like Plesk and then hire a guru to secure your server.

Would that work? The other thing about managed servers is everytime you want to do something, ya got to get help. Like add a domain or darabase...

sumphatpimp · 07-31-2004, 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by pussyluver
Damn Dre - Microsoft! Ouch!! Understand about having the programmers and all, but the risks and overhead of IIs. wow.

all that control panel done for you is create alot of security holes.

Doctor Dre · 07-31-2004, 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by pussyluver
Damn Dre - Microsoft! Ouch!! Understand about having the programmers and all, but the risks and overhead of IIs. wow.

www.outaouaisweb.com probably get 50 million page views a day with the reload of the list and we never got a problem ....

johndoebob · 07-31-2004, 10:46 AM

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Damn Dre - Microsoft! Ouch!! Understand about having the programmers and all, but the risks and overhead of IIs. wow.

There aren't more riscs if you update everything regulary.There are more riscs if you get an unmanaged linux server without a clue how to do anything beside accessing the control panel web interface.

Doctor Dre · 07-31-2004, 10:49 AM

www.freebooble.com runs on a windows server as well ...

But honestly I would not host a REALLY big tgp on a win server .

Furious_Male · 07-31-2004, 10:51 AM

Im not a huge techy so I like using Plesk. A lot of the hosts I have used are switching from Plesk to Cpanel though.

johndoebob · 07-31-2004, 10:54 AM

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Sounds easy, but managed servers cost way more. Hosting companies are now providing firewalls on the servers. I know that is not the total answer, but it helps.

Another solution is to use a CP like Plesk and then hire a guru to secure your server.

Would that work? The other thing about managed servers is everytime you want to do something, ya got to get help. Like add a domain or darabase...

Standart Panel installations are insecure³

You pay for a more or less good admin who takes care of a firewall load management, updates and configurations.

Firewalls on the servers?Which company?You need to add ports yourself otherwise a firewall would be useless and how should you do that without even knowing how to use ssh, using pico or restarting running applications.The only useful thing atm is EV1 ddos protection system, but it doesn't have anything to do with firewalls.

You obviously have no clue what a normal managed server is.You can use your panel like everywhere else beside you don't have to take care about security,configurations updates and installations which you obviously don't do anyway because you just use the admin panel.

pussyluver · 07-31-2004, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Male
Im not a huge techy so I like using Plesk. A lot of the hosts I have used are switching from Plesk to Cpanel though.

Is Cpanel more secure?

CJswe · 07-31-2004, 11:38 AM

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Is Cpanel more secure?

Not necessarily but there is a way stronger user base, reporting bugs etc..

pussyluver · 07-31-2004, 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by johndoebob
Standart Panel installations are insecure³

You pay for a more or less good admin who takes care of a firewall load management, updates and configurations.

Firewalls on the servers?Which company?You need to add ports yourself otherwise a firewall would be useless and how should you do that without even knowing how to use ssh, using pico or restarting running applications.The only useful thing atm is EV1 ddos protection system, but it doesn't have anything to do with firewalls.

You obviously have no clue what a normal managed server is.You can use your panel like everywhere else beside you don't have to take care about security,configurations updates and installations which you obviously don't do anyway because you just use the admin panel.

Necessity demanded that I learn how to use SSH and mod configuration files. You?re right; I am no guru on the server side. Running websites often means wearing a lot of hats. Learning HTML, PHP, Installing Scripts with Plesk running, promotion, SEO, and a whole bunch more.

That?s why I?m hitting the books, have a Linux box on my local net.

You just can?t learn BIND, Linux, Apache, PHP, MySQL and best security practices in a couple days.

pussyluver · 07-31-2004, 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by CJswe
Not necessarily but there is a way stronger user base, reporting bugs etc..

What about migration from Plesk to CPanel? Already know the answer! Config files will have to change for the scripts to work.

I'd have to set a new server up and migrate a site at a time. Some would go easy and some wouldn't.

pussyluver · 07-31-2004, 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by pussyluver
Necessity demanded that I learn how to use SSH and mod configuration files. You?re right; I am no guru on the server side. Running websites often means wearing a lot of hats. Learning HTML, PHP, Installing Scripts with Plesk running, promotion, SEO, and a whole bunch more.

That?s why I?m hitting the books, have a Linux box on my local net.

You just can?t learn BIND, Linux, Apache, PHP, MySQL and best security practices in a couple days.

Oh and wasting several hours a day on GFY drama!

EZRhino · 07-31-2004, 01:17 PM

I've used cpanel but I also do alot of my work through ssh.

07-31-2004, 10:30 AM	#1
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	Do you use Plesk control panel? It makes managing your own server a whole lot easier. So you don't have to be a BSD or Linux wiz to get your own server online. You don't even have to understand Apache or BIND for name servering. Are you sticking to shared hosting cause you're afraid to manage the server yourself?

07-31-2004, 10:33 AM	#3
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07-31-2004, 10:34 AM	#4
johndoebob Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,405	If you don't have a clue about *nix get a managed server you can't secure anything with those panels, you need to use ssh and do it yourself so if you don't have a clue don't get an unmanaged server otherwise you'll get hacked sooner or later or you just won't know what to do when you get into problems. __________________

07-31-2004, 10:51 AM	#14
Furious_Male Doing the grind since 99 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 16,881	Im not a huge techy so I like using Plesk. A lot of the hosts I have used are switching from Plesk to Cpanel though. __________________ Living in Virtual Reality Contact: Email (preferred): furiousmale .at. gmail - Skype: live:shanedws

07-31-2004, 10:32 AM	#2
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	Wonder how many are going; What the fuck is he talking about?

07-31-2004, 10:35 AM	#6
cspdinc Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: USA land of the oppressed Posts: 724	it works fairly well for me, It made setting up the last 20 sites a breeze compared to our old outa date raq 4s (hated them) and their lame ass admin panels.

07-31-2004, 10:37 AM	#7
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	Haven't given cpanel a try yet. I have been using Plesk for years and am confortable with it. It took awhile to learn how to get scripts working and where everything is . Have a number of databases. How hard would it be to migrate now??

07-31-2004, 01:17 PM	#21
EZRhino Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: couch Posts: 6,258	I've used cpanel but I also do alot of my work through ssh.