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boobmaster

So what's your point?

boobmaster

You're a moron!

boobmaster

The bible is ment to be a covenant between god and man. It deals with the relationship between god and man over time. The existence of a certain type of animal species is peripheral to that context. There are millions of life forms on the planet. Are you saying the bible is not historically accurate because it does not mention each and every one of these life forms? It's already a pretty big book, wouldn't you say? Your reasoning is idiotic.

Credit

You should investigate some religions before you judge..

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Fletch XXX

as idiotic as this comment:

"It's already a pretty big book, wouldn't you say?"

what immaculate reasoning you have there

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boobmaster

PLEASE READ - if you want to post a well thought objection to my posts, please do so. But don't keep on with the 'anyone who believes in God is a stupid moron' crap. Intelligence and faith are totally unrelated. In fact, many of the world's most intelligent people have been persons of devout faith. I have a PhD and teach at a university and I believe in God. If you are going to slam me for doing so based on my 'intelligence', please state your credentials before you do.

boobmaster

How would the mention of T Rex further the bible's objectives? This argument is completely ridiculous.

Fletch XXX

the bible as you call it is not even the full version so how do you know its intent?

what do you have to say about the excess gospels and lit they are finding and crediting to as one day belonging to the bible then?

if you think the bible is a finished end all piece of work, why is it not complete?

I have 20+ books you are missing, and so are the Gospels according to Mary Magdalene, how do you feel about all those stories?

And if you do not know them how can you even claim to know the bibles *intentions?*

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Fletch XXX

and please, the bible is NOT a covenant between man and god.

it is SUPPOSED to be the word of god, not a fucking covenant.,

youve watched too many religious movies, and are simply repeating things...

the Rainbow is a covenant between man and god regarding the flooding of the earth, nothing more.

youre confusing facts, go back to sunday school and learn your beaitutudes.

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Fletch XXX

credentials?

10+ years of Catholic School, attending mass 3 times a week for 15 years and being schooled by nuns on religious studioes my entire life.

my first few years of school, before age 5 even in Kindergarten were at the discipline of old nuns.

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boobmaster

I don't quite know how to respond to this. You are claiming to have in your possession over 20 books that should be part of the bible but which are, for some strange reason, not included, and that if I don't have these 20 books, I can't completely understand the bible.

I know you like smoking the occasional dubie, Fletch, but I am thinking that you may have exceeded your limit for the day.

boobmaster

Catholic school. Ah, that explains a lot. You are rebelling against authority. Your problem isn't with God. Your problem is with the vatican.

Fletch XXX

typical avoid.

side step it and dance.

you could never hold a discussion about Theology.

I have stood with nuns and Theologians in heavy debates in college and in 3 day bible studioes. My first choice in college courses was Theology.

whereas you want to argue on a board.

go read and come back when you have.

you claim to know the bibles objectives, but yet you are not schooled enough to even have read past the first 20-odd chapters.

yes the Apocrypha are more books you are obviously missing.

what is more embarrasing to your argument is, you have neither heard of them, nor have you read them.

also, you probably have never even read the other Gospels, one day maybe youll pick a topic you can talk about...

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Fletch XXX

rebelling? i was open for discussion, but its easy to see your intentions.

i dont engage in further talks with you over this, its beyond obvious you just want to talk shit and say things like the above.

you ask for credentials then bash them.

too funny.

anyway, ill go make money, keep telling yourself you are an adult webmaster and post here

hahaha

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Basic_man

god.....its a new word...i dont know it

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touche'


PS: admitedly I agree a God exists...however I don't believe in a traditional definition...

I like the Jehovah's witness, and buddist definition of hell...much nicer (actually non-existant) really from what I gather...

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Boobmaster,

If you believe in God, why do you not live by the principles of the Bible? I recall you posting one time that you go to strip clubs to recruit models and you were saying how some strippers in Tx are more wild and do extra stuff for extra money ...

If you believe in God, would God not condemn such activities such as going to these "places of sin" and ogling naked women while they grind you is not a very "holy" activity?

Also, what subject do you teach at University? Just curious.

Intrigue

Where is this proof, last i knew there WAS no actual proof that a man named 'jesus' cruised around back in the day, and it was just more bullshit propoganda, being pushed by the relegious nuts.

boobmaster

I misunderstood you. I though you were talking about some additional books that noone but you had seen. I apologize for not recognizing that you were refering to the books of the Apocrypha.

My answer to you is that I do not subscribe to the belief that these books are authentic. They have been accepted by the Catholic church, but not by any of the denominations within the protestant movement. I don't accept their authenticity so it is pointless for me to comment further on them.

boobmaster

Honestly Fletch, I was not dissing you. You are obviously quite qualified to engage in a theological discussion on the matter. They train people pretty well in Catholic schools. I was not trying to insult you and if I came across that way, I apologize. You always make very good points in your posts, even if I don't always agree with you.

boobmaster

As I said, I am a pathetic hypocrit.

I teach linguistics and English grammar.

NichePay_Manny

u better believe it

tranza

Good for you...

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stembolt

anyone that believes in "god" is full of shit..

because of religion we had millions butchered..
fear and hatred in built into people..
priests fukin kids
torture
racism
sexism
just look at the state of the middle east,


its about time we all grow up,
and realise we dont need religion..

religion

i spit on it

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Surely an *all-powerful* and *all-knowing* being would be *above* (no pun intended) caring about whether or not we believed He existed.

wyldblyss

I am a fence sitter. Part of me says "what a fucking crock of bullshit"...but then something happens...to me...on the news etc. that just gets you wondering..and you think you don't want to dismiss the existance of a higher power completely...so you remain suspicious and just watch....and hope to hell that if there is a God he doesn't condemn you for wondering

wyldblyss

People that rape children, kill innocent people etc. don't need religion....if they didn't have religion there would be some other cause they would do it in the name of. Priests that molest kids don't do it because they are priests...they molest them because they are sick bastards.

mogwai

i admire your faith but are you not just afraid of dying or in need of making your life seem better by "believing" in something ?

the beleif in the existence of a god is based on mans fears of being alone. FACT

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boobmaster

I would like to believe in the JW conceprt of hell too. It does seem a bit extreme to punish someone in hell for eternity for not being good on earth. The God I believe in is merciful above all else and loves all of his children, even the ones who do not believe in Jesus.

I have always thought that if God cared enough about man to come down to earth, take the form of a man (Jesus Christ), endure a torturous death, and raise from the grave to save the lost souls of men, he wouldn't be so ritualistic to only accept the souls of those fortunate enough to have accepted him while watching the seven hundred club at some point before they died. I'd like to think he died for everyone and will save everyone regardless of what they have done. I would save everyone if I was god and I believe that he is more merciful than I am. I know that puts me at odds with organized religion but I never claimed to believe those doctorines anyway.

Exactly what hell is (assuming it exists), I don't know. There are references in scripture about weeping and gnashing of teeth, which are ment to suggest that hell is physically painful. However, a soul cannot feel physical pain since there are no nerves in a soul the way there are in a body of flesh. The refenence is probably metaphoric but I really don't know what it means.

Incidently, I do not think one needs to have a completely literal interpretation of ther bible to believe in it. I believe one can see many of the stories as metaphoric and still call himself a christian.

Serge Litehead

"people believe in god only because of the devil"

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MiSsBeHeaDReSs

Right on boobmaster!
You are absolutely right.

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boobmaster

Again, you are not separating God from those who use his name to justify the actions they do. Because a group of people do horrible things in the name of a God, that does not in and of itself mean that God does not exist. It only means that men have once again dishonored the name of God. Anyone who committs an atrocity in the name of God and claims his approval is a liar.

V_RocKs

Good for you, Boobmaster!

BRISK

Quoted for truth

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Serge Litehead

if you feel god inside your heart, i don't think you'd need any more proof of its existance, you'd expirince 'him' within your existance, but somehow men kind finds god somehow distanced and apart from them. i don't understand how such distant creator can be merciful to children in putting them to life condisions we have on earth. believing in all mighty goodness of 'creator' doesn't explain why are you where you are or how you got there as a soul and doesn't show significant relation between men and god.

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BRISK

Man created the concept of God and an afterlife because humans can't handle the possiblity that our existence has no purpose and that when you die, that's it, that's all, there is nothing more.

Religion is the opiate of the masses. It soothes us. We continue our potentially false beliefs because the alternative is so frightening and depressing that we can't handle it.

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BigG

BUT, just because you are exposed to Jesus does not mean that you will accept him and follow him!

I found this article below:

PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (Reuters) -- Jesus Christ, who had exposed himself to teen-age girls on as many as seven occasions outside St. Maria Goretti School, struck again on Thursday just as students were being dismissed, police said.

But this time, a group of girls in school uniforms angrily confronted Jesus with help from some neighbors, police said.

When Jesus tried to run, more than 20 girls chased him down the block. Two men from the neighborhood caught him and the girls took their revenge.

"The girls came and started kicking him and punching him, so I wasn't going to stop them," neighbor Robert Lemons told The Philadelphia Inquirer.

Jesus was later treated for injuries at a local hospital. Police said he would be charged with 14 criminal counts including harassment, disorderly conduct, open lewdness and corrupting the morals of a minor.

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just to throw the cat amoungst the pigeons, do you guys think the Epicurean paradox holds water?:
[list=1][*]If God exists, then he is all-powerful. [*]If God exists, then he is good. [*]If God is all-powerful and good, then there would be no evil. [*]There is evil. [*]Therefore God does not exist. [/list=1]

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Pleasurepays

you "know" nothing.

you "believe"

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Serge Litehead

we were dreaming of god before we realised we are god.

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Pleasurepays

I have never understood this logic. If God is good... it does not mean that he cannot allow evil to exist. right?

Rick Latona

Word.

It's amazing what the human mind can come up with. People used to worhip anything. I bet if I told kids that the stapler on my desk loved them and could grant them eternal salvation for years on end they would absolutely "know in their heart" that it was true.

Boobmaster, have you also come to your own conclusions as to what you should do to earn God's forgivness and salvation or do you go strictly by the book. If you aren't going strictly by the book, don't you think it is funny that you can come up with your own list of right and wrong and believe in your heart that it is right?

That is why we have religion. The human mind has the power to know in their heart that they are right.

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Serge Litehead

looks like multiple personalities disorder where one personality trying to kill another or at least not accept the other.
on another note you can't know good without knowing bad.

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boobmaster

That is certainly an argument that makes sense from a psychological point of view. It is true that we create explanations for things we fear and we fear nothing more in this world than death.

I have studied folklore and mythology in my graduate studies and the creation and development of certain myths are directly the result of our need to have something to hold on to in hard times. One such example is the vampire myth, which evolved during the plague years in the middle ages. People saw neighbors dying around them in village after village and had no explanation for it, nor did they have any way of doing something about it. It was much easier for them to believe that the first person who died in each village was a vampire. That way you could go into the graveyard at night and 'do something about it.'

Many psychologists have argued that the evolution of the belief in God was for the most part parallel. This is certainly true in polytheistic religious systems, where certain gods existed governing certain crucial elements in nature (sun god, rain god, etc.). However, the development of monotheism is quite different and seems to have come out of nowhere.

Judaism was the world's first true monotheistic religious system, which later gave rise to Christianity and Islam. One thing that put the Jews at odds with the rest of the world was that they believed in a single God while everyone else had a pantheon of gods, each serving different a different function (generally fertility related).

The important thing to note is that in culture after culture, indigenous religious system are always polytheistic. This suggests that when man creates God, his tendency is to create a system of many gods. It is unnatural for man to create a religious system that is based on a single god. The ONLY one known to exist is Judaism. I would suggest to you that this system is not polytheistic because it was not created by man.

Pleasurepays

People suck ass. Thats why i hate most of them.



There is a psychologist, Viktor Frankl who pioneered a whole branch of pychology and psychotherapy based on the idea that people have to have a sense of both meaning and purpose in their lives to exist with any degree of contentment and happiness.

In addition to it's help in coping with loss as well as the feared finality of death, religion convienently provides provides both a sense of purpose and life meaning addition the convienently simple answers to incompresensibly complex questions... as long as you are willing to "believe"