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Veterans Day · 07-26-2004, 06:24 PM

Almost always my outclick script shows 30-40% more than what sponsors show, anyone encounter this shit? Pissin me off frankly

freeadultcontent · 07-26-2004, 06:25 PM

could they be counting second page clicks?

Veterans Day · 07-26-2004, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by freeadultcontent
could they be counting second page clicks?

possible for a few programs but others tout they count first page. Nonsense i tell ya

XPays · 07-26-2004, 06:31 PM

our count will be very very close to your outbound count to our links. we hardcode and count on entry.

second and third page counting is a long running trend that fails to give an accurate count of eyeballs. people will always argue that all that matters is the size of the check- which is true, but why not show the real primary click totals with your large checks to match?

take care

Veterans Day · 07-26-2004, 06:33 PM

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Originally posted by XPays
our count will be very very close to your outbound count to our links. we hardcode and count on entry.

second and third page counting is a long running trend that fails to give an accurate count of eyeballs. people will always argue that all that matters is the size of the check- which is true, but why not show the real primary click totals with your large checks to match?

take care

I understand its about the check size but I will just dump the ones that tell me they count first page and show 30-40% less than I show, it's not like theres a shortage of programs. Why mot be honest about the count. Nonsense

XPays · 07-26-2004, 06:40 PM

i hear ya- lmk your results when you try http://XPays.com reporting

Jason · 07-26-2004, 07:50 PM

fyi..

PornDollar counts first page.

Veterans Day · 07-26-2004, 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by PornDollar
fyi..

PornDollar counts first page.

I will ck you out cause some of these sponsors who count first page are way the fuck off

SykkBoy · 07-26-2004, 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
I understand its about the check size but I will just dump the ones that tell me they count first page and show 30-40% less than I show, it's not like theres a shortage of programs. Why mot be honest about the count. Nonsense

have you also taken into consideration if the sponsors are counting raws or uniques?

also, don't forget about sloppy tracking scripts that only track via cookies (for surfers who have them turned off), closed browsers where the page doesn't fully load, etc.

Veterans Day · 07-26-2004, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by SykkBoy2
have you also taken into consideration if the sponsors are counting raws or uniques?

also, don't forget about sloppy tracking scripts that only track via cookies (for surfers who have them turned off), closed browsers where the page doesn't fully load, etc.

yep I try to look at all factors, some programs spot on others are hilarious

elric · 07-26-2004, 09:17 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
Almost always my outclick script shows 30-40% more than what sponsors show, anyone encounter this shit? Pissin me off frankly

I've seen this also.

It varies by sponsor, but many are undercounting.

Also, more and more are starting to count "2nd page" hits. Of course, there's no way for a "2nd page" hit to be independently verified so it's pretty meaningless.

Sponsors know that people are using StatsRemote, so they figure lower numbers will make their ratios look better. But I always look at my own outclick totals, so I can know the real ratio.

Veterans Day · 07-26-2004, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by elric
I've seen this also.

It varies by sponsor, but many are undercounting.

Also, more and more are starting to count "2nd page" hits. Of course, there's no way for a "2nd page" hit to be independently verified so it's pretty meaningless.

Sponsors know that people are using StatsRemote, so they figure lower numbers will make their ratios look better. But I always look at my own outclick totals, so I can know the real ratio.

Diligent · 07-26-2004, 09:35 PM

Could be due to spy-/scumware and firewalls blocking HTTP_REFERAL on surfers' computers..

Anothers · 07-27-2004, 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by Just-Anotha-Mack
Could be due to spy-/scumware and firewalls blocking HTTP_REFERAL on surfers' computers..

if you mean traffic trading (which is mostly based on http_ref tracking) then yes

but he is asking about sponsors and they track your clicks using some variable send with http GET request

Diligent · 07-27-2004, 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by Anothers
if you mean traffic trading (which is mostly based on http_ref tracking) then yes

but he is asking about sponsors and they track your clicks using some variable send with http GET request

No, I understood he was talking about sponsors & their counting...
I didn't know that the method you mentioned is a common one though.

Also, aren't you talking about the method they use for keeping track
"internally" of your traffic once it's there with them..?

According to what Veterans Day says, if his sponsors are counting FIRST page
hits... it makes no sense that they show less than he sends.

Hence my suspicions of malware, firewalls and all else that can influence...

J B · 07-27-2004, 04:49 AM

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Originally posted by elric
Sponsors know that people are using StatsRemote, so they figure lower numbers will make their ratios look better. But I always look at my own outclick totals, so I can know the real ratio.

Yep... here's a quote from an article I wrote about two years ago:

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Whether you use a software or check your stats manually there is one thing you should always remember: Sponsors count hits differently. Some sponsors count first page raw's, some count second page unique's, and others seem to count eighth page unique's even though there is no eighth page. It always amazes me when people compare the ratios of two sponsors that count hits totally differently and base their decisions only on these ratios.

Therefore a software like StatsRemote can only help you to a certain extend. You will have all your numbers right in front of you but you still have to make the right decisions by yourself. Always remember: A fool with a tool is still a fool ;-)

Jason · 07-27-2004, 08:34 AM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
I will ck you out cause some of these sponsors who count first page are way the fuck off

cool, then you can tell everyone your findings

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