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Paraskass · 07-25-2004, 06:45 PM

If 2257 affects secondary distributors of sexual material, such as webmasters using thumbs to link to hosted galleries, wouldn't it also mean that video stores (be it rental places or purchase points) along with corner stores that sell erotic magazines all fall under the same category and also become secondary distributors, requiring places such as 7/11 to be able to provide access to 2257 documents for the models featured in the magazines they sell?

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gornyhuy · 07-25-2004, 06:51 PM

Only if they print the pictures on their walls?
Technically you can't look at the skin mags until after you buy and leave the store.

But what the fuck do I know. This whole thing has me spinning.

Paraskass · 07-25-2004, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by gornyhuy
Only if they print the pictures on their walls?
Technically you can't look at the skin mags until after you buy and leave the store.

But what the fuck do I know. This whole thing has me spinning.

You can enter a video store that sells XXX movies and look at the pictures on the back of the box. (in a rental place or in a shop).

Correct me if I am wrong.

If it doesn't apply to video stores, it then couldn't possibly apply to a TGP with non-nude thumbs linking to content because only AFTER you click the thumb do you see the content.

no?

Lycanthrope · 07-25-2004, 06:56 PM

It says nothing about secondary distribution, it is secondary production that is mentioned.

Video / book stores are not producing anything, they are merely distributing it.

However, let's say they ripped this month's hottest DVD to make a commercial out of it to play on monitors throughout the store... then, (copyright laws aside), they would need to have the docs, as they have now (re-)produced something and are secondary producers.

Putting a text link up on your site = distribution
Putting a linked image up on your site = reproduction

Paraskass · 07-25-2004, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by Lycanthrope
It says nothing about secondary distribution, it is secondary production that is mentioned.

Video / book stores are not producing anything, they are merely distributing it.

However, let's say they ripped this month's hottest DVD to make a commercial out of it to play on monitors throughout the store... then, (copyright laws aside), they would need to have the docs, as they have now (re-)produced something and are secondary producers.

Putting a text link up on your site = distribution
Putting a linked image up on your site = reproduction

So you are saying text TGP's would be immune to 2257 laws?

There goes the hun, growing again.

Lycanthrope · 07-25-2004, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by Paraskass
You can enter a video store that sells XXX movies and look at the pictures on the back of the box. (in a rental place or in a shop).

Correct me if I am wrong.

If it doesn't apply to video stores, it then couldn't possibly apply to a TGP with non-nude thumbs linking to content because only AFTER you click the thumb do you see the content.

no?

Use non nude thumbs, like face only shots, (to be real safe, you could even shy away from "moaning" type pics), and you will be fine. You are now no more offending, hell, even less so, than a JC Penny's catalog.

The law pertains to images on your server, not to what you are linked to.

Paraskass · 07-25-2004, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Lycanthrope
Use non nude thumbs, like face only shots, (to be real safe, you could even shy away from "moaning" type pics), and you will be fine. You are now no more offending, hell, even less so, than a JC Penny's catalog.

The law pertains to images on your server, not to what you are linked to.

excellent news, if this is true.

Lycanthrope · 07-25-2004, 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by Paraskass
So you are saying text TGP's would be immune to 2257 laws?

There goes the hun, growing again.

They aren't immune, what I'm saying is that if they themselves are not displaying images, they have no 2257 issues at hand.

Edit:

You should / probably will still be required to have a 2257 statement listing your reasons for exception.

Veterans Day · 07-25-2004, 07:12 PM

text links rock for more than one reason

bllott · 07-25-2004, 07:14 PM

so does this mean that a regular tgp needs to have the actual links to each site's 2257 compliance listed somewhere on the site?

Paraskass · 07-25-2004, 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by bllott
so does this mean that a regular tgp needs to have the actual links to each site's 2257 compliance listed somewhere on the site?

This is what I am wondering, possibly not, if the thumbs and pics on the TGP do not show nudity or sexual poses?

Veterans Day · 07-25-2004, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by bllott
so does this mean that a regular tgp needs to have the actual links to each site's 2257 compliance listed somewhere on the site?

no it means if you have sexually explicit thumbs YOU need to have the 2257 docs on file at YOUR office for those thumbs that belong to the other site

Ludicrous I tell ya, ludicrous

Paraskass · 07-25-2004, 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by Veterans Day
no it means if you have sexually explicit thumbs YOU need to have the 2257 docs on file at YOUR office for those thumbs that belong to the other site Ludicrous I tell ya, ludicrous

so if they are NOT nude, you are safe, as long as you are linking to a gallery NOT on your server.

Lycanthrope · 07-25-2004, 07:25 PM

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Originally posted by Paraskass
so if they are NOT nude, you are safe, as long as you are linking to a gallery NOT on your server.

As I, and a competent attorney who owes me some favors understand / interpret it, yes.

Remember though, under the new revisions, banners are subject to compliance as well, not just "content" images.

Paraskass · 07-25-2004, 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by Lycanthrope
As I, and a competent attorney who owes me some favors understand / interpret it, yes.

Remember though, under the new revisions, banners are subject to compliance as well, not just "content" images.

I use no banners.
I hope all this is clarified before the law is voted.

When is it supposed to be voted, and if it is acceptted it goes live August 24th right?

bllott · 07-25-2004, 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by Paraskass
I use no banners.
I hope all this is clarified before the law is voted.

When is it supposed to be voted, and if it is acceptted it goes live August 24th right?

that's what i want to know.. and how does it apply to canada-based webmasters?

xxxjay · 07-25-2004, 11:03 PM

As I understand it - if you have a thumb displayed in your site - even if hot-linked...you need 2257.

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