Question about the new 2257 and models privacy... - GoFuckYourself.com

Jace · 07-22-2004, 08:53 AM

I am still learning all this shit, and I think this is a great question regarding all this shit

my wife has done porn for years, and has TONS of content out there of her.....

with the new 2257, does this mean any schmuck can buy some content of my wife, then recieve all her legal docs from that shoot?

she is worried about this, because there is an invasion of privacy issue here regarding her address and real name

basically, any surfer with $50 in his visa can go and buy some content and get all her info...INCLUDING her real name and address....

Bansheelinks · 07-22-2004, 08:55 AM

well now that'll make for an interesting court case now won't it?

Fuck Bush and fuck the religious right

StuartD · 07-22-2004, 08:56 AM

if she does a shoot AFTER the new docs come out.... then yes, the person who buys it would have more info on her than you do.

Jace · 07-22-2004, 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan
if she does a shoot AFTER the new docs come out.... then yes, the person who buys it would have more info on her than you do.

looks like most girls will think twice before doing just any random shoot then, huh?

this is going to get VERY interesting

amacontent · 07-22-2004, 09:08 AM

Welcome to Republican America Jace. Girls can either flip burgers at McDonalds for $8 and hour , or deal with the new laws.. or find a working man to support her.

Jace · 07-22-2004, 09:25 AM

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Originally posted by amacontent
Welcome to Republican America Jace. Girls can either flip burgers at McDonalds for $8 and hour , or deal with the new laws.. or find a working man to support her.

it fuckin sucks huh?

luckily tabitha doesn't do any content stuff anymore, but shit man, all these girls that have no idea will have their info everywhere

i think there should also be a stipulation within the new 2257 laws that says a content producer HAS to notify the girls of this before shooting, and the girls must sign a piece of paper saying they are aware their info will be given to ANYONE with a credit card

jayeff · 07-22-2004, 09:46 AM

There are several implications arising from the new 2257 regulations, both legal and practical, in respect of "anyone" having access to model information.

For whatever it is worth, I submitted my comments on the regulation changes. You can do the same by visiting http://www.regulations.gov/ do a keyword search on
2723-2004 and then scroll down the page for "Submit a Comment on this Regulation" [comments have to be in by August 24th].

But in the meantime, although I understand those concerns, my view is that if the excrement hits the fan, it's me that could be facing 5 years inside. Therefore unless the rules are changed to specifically allow something else, once they are in effect I shall not be buying content from anyone who does not provide complete, in-clear records.

If I screw up, that is my fault, but I'm just not ready to run the risk of being a test case for someone else's theories on what may or may not be acceptable.

Jace · 07-22-2004, 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by jayeff

But in the meantime, although I understand those concerns, my view is that if the excrement hits the fan, it's me that could be facing 5 years inside. Therefore unless the rules are changed to specifically allow something else, once they are in effect I shall not be buying content from anyone who does not provide complete, in-clear records.

see, and I am with you on that shit, i want full docs too...but I trust myself not to stalk some girl that I have a real record on....

the freaks are who I have the problem with...there are some fucked up people out there

roscoe98 · 07-22-2004, 10:04 AM

I wanna throw out something i haven't heard or at least haven't seen brought up.

Isn't a model that you pay an employee?
If so then how does this conflict with the laws that pertain to empl0yee privacy?

I mean when i used to work in the real world we couldn't tell anybody anything past "yes they work for us" or "no they don't".

Any input?

StuartD · 07-22-2004, 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by roscoe98
I wanna throw out something i haven't heard or at least haven't seen brought up.

Isn't a model that you pay an employee?
If so then how does this conflict with the laws that pertain to empl0yee privacy?

I mean when i used to work in the real world we couldn't tell anybody anything past "yes they work for us" or "no they don't".

Any input?

I dp lots of programming and consulting and even designing occassionaly for people... I'm not nor will I ever be their employee.

Doing work and getting paid doesn't make you an employee.

NBDesign · 07-22-2004, 10:07 AM

Good point... You get some crazed stalker out there and not a porn company... man that could be some scary shit...

God Bless America

roscoe98 · 07-22-2004, 10:08 AM

I understand your position..But a model signs a contract to do work for you. So she is an employee for that time period.

Jace · 07-22-2004, 10:09 AM

a model is contract labor and gets paid as contract labor

she is not nor ever will be an employee

Jace · 07-22-2004, 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by roscoe98
I understand your position..But a model signs a contract to do work for you. So she is an employee for that time period.

a model does not sign a contract

she signs a model release and RARELY tax forms as contract labor

roscoe98 · 07-22-2004, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by JaceXXX
a model is contract labor and gets paid as contract labor

she is not nor ever will be an employee

Ok ill go with that...but is the law different for contract labor as far as privacy issues go?

AaronM · 07-22-2004, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by roscoe98
I understand your position..But a model signs a contract to do work for you. So she is an employee for that time period.

No, she's not. She's an independant contractor.

07-22-2004, 08:53 AM	#1
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	Question about the new 2257 and models privacy... I am still learning all this shit, and I think this is a great question regarding all this shit my wife has done porn for years, and has TONS of content out there of her..... with the new 2257, does this mean any schmuck can buy some content of my wife, then recieve all her legal docs from that shoot? she is worried about this, because there is an invasion of privacy issue here regarding her address and real name basically, any surfer with $50 in his visa can go and buy some content and get all her info...INCLUDING her real name and address....

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07-22-2004, 10:04 AM	#9
roscoe98 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 689	I wanna throw out something i haven't heard or at least haven't seen brought up. Isn't a model that you pay an employee? If so then how does this conflict with the laws that pertain to empl0yee privacy? I mean when i used to work in the real world we couldn't tell anybody anything past "yes they work for us" or "no they don't". Any input? __________________ $500.00 a MONTH BONUS CASH! HOSTED GALLERIES! EXCLUSIVE CONTENT! 80% PAYOUT DAYS!

07-22-2004, 10:07 AM	#11
NBDesign Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The other side of Hell Posts: 5,814	Good point... You get some crazed stalker out there and not a porn company... man that could be some scary shit... God Bless America __________________ Use Lensman's program and get the most for your hard earned traffic. Get Heidi for your site Here. Lots of sets to choose from. She makes a great Addition to any site. Grab one Grab All.

07-22-2004, 08:55 AM	#2
Bansheelinks Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 6,023	well now that'll make for an interesting court case now won't it? Fuck Bush and fuck the religious right

07-22-2004, 09:46 AM	#7
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	There are several implications arising from the new 2257 regulations, both legal and practical, in respect of "anyone" having access to model information. For whatever it is worth, I submitted my comments on the regulation changes. You can do the same by visiting http://www.regulations.gov/ do a keyword search on 2723-2004 and then scroll down the page for "Submit a Comment on this Regulation" [comments have to be in by August 24th]. But in the meantime, although I understand those concerns, my view is that if the excrement hits the fan, it's me that could be facing 5 years inside. Therefore unless the rules are changed to specifically allow something else, once they are in effect I shall not be buying content from anyone who does not provide complete, in-clear records. If I screw up, that is my fault, but I'm just not ready to run the risk of being a test case for someone else's theories on what may or may not be acceptable.

07-22-2004, 10:08 AM	#12
roscoe98 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 689	I understand your position..But a model signs a contract to do work for you. So she is an employee for that time period. __________________ $500.00 a MONTH BONUS CASH! HOSTED GALLERIES! EXCLUSIVE CONTENT! 80% PAYOUT DAYS!

07-22-2004, 10:09 AM	#13
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	a model is contract labor and gets paid as contract labor she is not nor ever will be an employee