ez12

I want to start an AVS site but I'm wondering what I can expect.

sincerley ez12

MattressKing

AVS site are the are usually the most profitable for a brand new webmaster. But free sites could be as well. Just start one up and submit to as many link lists as possible. If you can build one a day, and submit each one to about 100 link lists, you should make a some good money. But it does take work

Exxxotica

You might consider doing both...Free site and AVS site.

I use the traffic from my free sites to feed my AVS site. This method sends alot of traffic without too much work. My AVS site has become my biggest sponsor!

xApster

Is there a list of all those link sites? I can maybe think of 5 off the top of my head

Warphead

http://www.thegatherers.com/

fever

What is a AVS-site?

ldinternet

I've found that it's pointless submitting to 100+ link lists per day. Besides time consumption, there are a lot of overly-anal link list owners out there.

Just concentrate on about 16-20 of the biggest. Tommy , Greenguy, Sexual Linkage, PK, Richard's Realm, Link Fabulous, Mark's Links, Wet Place, Foxy's and a few others. Submit a good site and you'll be listed with ease. It's possible to get 2000+ unqies/day with a good site. Do that 365 times and...

ez12

IdInternet could you give me the url's cause I know all the sites but not all the exact url'sso if you could help me out.
Oh yeah and than another thing what is good quality I've started my AVS site and have got three galleries do I need more what do you think,

sincerley ez12 and many thnx for posting your reactions.

ldinternet

I submit daily to the following with FREE sites....
http://www.smutgremlins.com/ http://www.markslinks.com/ http://www.freepornlist.com/ http://www.link-guru.com/ http://www.findpics.com/ http://www.4adultsonly.com/ http://www.adultsexentertainment.com/ http://www.tommys-bookmarks.com/ http://www.link-o-rama.com/ http://www.koolkatlinks.com/ http://www.sexual-linkage.com/ http://www.sexclearinghouse.com/ http://www.alcoholinks.net/ http://www.wetplace.com/ http://www.sexynexus.com/

And I think that PK allows like 2 sites per webmaster. I'm not sure about the rules at Richard's Realm but he requires paid hosting... yada yada yada.

Build 7 free sites and 1 AVS site. Get your AVS site activated, then submit 1 free site daily to all of the above. Use the free sites to promote your AVS sites. Do it weekly.

If you get listed within 24-72 hours at all of the above, then you can expect 14,000 (better than tgp quality) uniques in the first week across your 7 sites. Do this weekly like I said, and you should soon be making some $.

Keep it up for a year or so, you'll start to get SE traffic on old sites... more signups and if you start NOW with quality sites, by next year if things are well you should be able to think about going full time.

But it takes hard work. The sites have to have the correct marketing techniques.

Another piece of advice is don't just chase "babes", "hardcore" or "amateurs" all of the time. Pick a special niche that you enjoy... bondage, face sitting, smoking, pregnant, trans, black, asian, cumshots, whatever. Even try the gay market... gay teens, bears, etc.

In the end you'll have some sites that make $200 month and some that make $2/month profit. Just work at it day after day, week after week.

ez12

but can I than submit the 7free sites each tine again when they are rotated out ?
are do I have to change the sites each time I submit again ?

sincerley ez12 and many thanks

justined

The best way is to just build them, submit them (to the se's as well) and forget about them, make sure thet you have meta's on all ya pages and a bit of a description close to the top of the page and they'll get hits forever.



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ldinternet

No... the idea is not to rotate sites. You HAVE to build new sites each week and keep building.
Week1 - 7 sites, 1 avs
Week2 - 14 sites, 2 avs
Week3 - 21 sites, 3 avs

Don't do template sites. I myself could build 10 to 20 free sites daily within a few hours, not using a template but the problem is...
a. Most link lists want only 1 submission per day. I don't want to flood and be blacklisted.
b. I can't afford to buy 300 to 600 new pics every day for the sites.

So it's one free site per day and one AVS per week. If you can do more, then good luck to you. I'm not promoting AVS though on my site - I recently stopped promoting CEN to concentrate more on Fetish Cash. Two great sponsors by the way.

deluxe

ldinternet,

how many pictures do you put on a free site?

and i thought you could only have 2 sites listed with the green guy (link o rama)?



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ez12

ldinternet thanks for your response I don't wanna be blacklisted afcourse so thank you very much !

sincerley ez12

xApster

Could you post an example of your free site?

Thanks

ldinternet

30 pictures per site. 15 pics per page. I thought about having 10 pics but in the end I settled with 15. Because surfers have less to click on the main page, meaning the chances of clicking on a sponsor ad are increased. And also, more content means that I can be more agressive with my ads, use larger banners or bigger text links. Also never put "next gallery" on the pages on a free site. You know how some people do that to make navigation easier? That's a big design flaw. Make the surfer click back to the main page, so there is more ad exposure.

PK only allows 2 sites per webmaster. Greenguy allows as many as you like, but only submit 1 daily. His rules are here: http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/therules.htm

MattressKing

There's no need to buy content every week. You just join sponsors that give you free content. Put them behind the avs, and no one knows

ldinternet

Yeah, I thought of that but after a while the content becomes over saturated. Unless you get in quick like the LPZIP/Maxcash deal, or use a smaller sponsor, then the free content is pretty much useless for getting listed. Maybe you can get away with using your own content 3 or 4 times for the same link list but I'd guess that would be all before the owner starts to notice.

I've had it before when doing galleries - Thumbzilla has rejected me for using over saturated "free" content.

Unless the sponsor gives access to their member area when the webmaster sends enough sales, then sponsor provided content becomes pretty much useless after a while (such as the old ARS or MaxCash content). Nobody will accept that, least of all TB and Greenguy.

ldinternet

Oh yeah, here's the example site...
http://www.megafreehost.com/ham/moo/teen/index.html

deluxe

Is it just me or does that site give a 404?

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ez12

well tom that's you because I'm seeing the site perfectly.

sincerley ez12

Gemini

RR doesn't require paid hosting! We sub him all the time with FH

deluxe

ldinternet, do you put all the recips on one page or do you make different versions?

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Deluxe, I assure you that it isn't a 404.

I make copies of the pages for about 16 link lists.

The basic structure is this...
http://www.mysite.com/folder/folder/index.html

then the main page will be located at
http://www.mysite.com/folder/main.html

So on the index page, I have to link to the main page by using "../main.html".

That way, all the link lists think that they're getting a real index page instead of index398.html or whatever. But they're not, instead of doing that I just make a seperate FOLDER for them, and link to main.html in the the directory above.

ez12

I'm sorry ldinternet but these links give me a 404 error maybe it's my connection or maybe it's because deluxe and I are both from holland maybe you're europian connection isn't so good?

sincerley ez12

deluxe

Ez12

he only uses mysite.com as an example for the structure of his site...

thanx ldinternet for your great posts and congrats with the gfy sweater you won!

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Deluxe, you're welcome. Hope that helps.

Do you submit galleries or warning pages? I was going to submit a site w/warning page to him but when I read his rules, it said "no sites on free space - geocities, hypermart, Porn City etc..."

Checked his free site pages and all I could find was paid hosted sites. No adult free hosts at all...

ez12

what does that have to do with my 404 error deluxe ?

sincerley ez12

deluxe

EZ12 IT IS NOT A REAL URL, IT'S JUST TO MAKE THE STRUCTURE CLEAR, HE DOES NOT OWN A DOMAIN CALLED MYSITE.COM

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Gemini

ID, we've just done tgp on his site for now. Haven't started hitting link lists very much yet. Hmm I'll have to go read the link list page when I get time

wolfshade

How to do the AVS thingy the $$$ way

1) Build site(I use 60 pics that's it)
2) Promote the hell out of it(TGP's, Picposts, Toplists whatever you can find if it brings a hit use it)
3) Forget it exists and build a new one
4) repeat the above starting from step 2

By the time you're at AVS site # 200 you'll be making big bucks

And to answer the question of this thread:

What's so great on an AVS site is that you controll the sales page(s) instead of a sponsor

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deluxe

your right wolfshade, and i also think joining an avs is a smaller step for a surfer than joining a paysite, you can make it more personal and if you look like an amateur, a surfer loves you even more



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Wolfshade,

What are your opinions of dialers on AVS sites? I thought about putting something like "I don't have an Age Check ID" and "I don't have a credit card" after a short tour... don't know whether it would work or not, or whether the avs systems would be too pleased with it.

Any thoughts on using dialers INSIDE the site? If avs surfers are more likely to whip it out (the credit card), then surely using a signup proggie would be better than a dialer?

One last question. What would you define as "big bucks"? Sorry, but I love money so much I can't resist.

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wolfshade

Having two links like these:

Sign up with your creditcard here and below

Got no creditcard? NO PROBLEM get instant acces here!!!

Works goo dfor me

Inside you have to promote it like something REALY special with a slogan like banned in most countries! *LOL*

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Oops almost missed the last question


Big bucks is actualy having to think on where to spend it to get it all out of ya account

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boneprone

avs sucks.. get a real job.

ez12

what is so sucky about AVS ?
please give comment....

sincerley

Clovis

AVS sites can be profitable in that not only do you recieve a commision on the AVS itself but the traffic that enters has shown their willingness to use their CC. One AVS hit is worth 350 hits from a free list anyday.
try these guys out

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RedShoe

Maybe it's me, maybe I'm a little fucked up. WolfShade help me out. Clear this up...

You only use 60 images on your AVS?

The only content you provide is 60 photos and that's it?

Am I missing something?

Do you own domain names for all of those AVS sites?

Why does it sound so odd to me?

Am I just not understanding AVS?

Anyone?

Reply first, call me an idiot after.

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wolfshade

I don't even use multiple domains I just make a www.pornforce1.com/AVSsitenamehere/

And then add it to FNP the free AVS I use that works well for me

And yes 60 pics is all it takes

What's not to understand about it?

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deluxe

I even have avs sites @freenetpass with only 10 pics (that's the minimum)

i make lots of small sites just for the link lists and some bigger sites to generate sales.


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btw, does anybody know of any linklists where i can submit my avs directly?

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Well, I just run a free site. I've been wanting to go adult for a while now. The site I have now borders on softcore depending on which host I go to. Some say it's adult, some don't seem to care.

I guess, I never really asked about it, but I always just assumed that AVS needed tons of content.

Those were the things I was going to talk to April about.


I haven't gone back through this post yet, but who do you use as the AVS? Adult Check? Your own system? And how do you sell someone on only 60 pics?

WolfShade, could you post an example of one of your AVS sites? Or should I go fuck myself?



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Pete Dogg

Can someone post a few examples of AVS sites?

And can we talk about which AVS company is the best to use and why?

Peace,
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nickd

"2) Promote the hell out of it(TGP's, Picposts, Toplists whatever you can find if it brings a hit use it)"

Im not sure I understand, TGP and Picpost dont accept avs sites. Do you mean that you make galleries with links to your avs site? If yes thats like doing TGP posting but advertising your own avs site instead of advertising a sponsor...seems like a big badnwidth bill to me

TopList? Well dont you have to you have to send a lot of traffic to a toplist to get traffic? How can you do it with a new AVS site? sounds like very hard to me...

Link Sites? Most of them dont accept AVS sites..some do but they put them on the AVS section where nobody goes...

AVS sites seem great but I really wonder how to get traffic to them...

ChrisZ

Did you really get traffic from the AVS listing? how many visitor by site and which AVS send you the most from their listing?

ldinternet

I'm sure that Wolfshade means build the galleries and put your banners on them, instead of the sponsors.

You could always use free hosting for the galleries. I do pretty well with that.... in fact, today was my best day ever on the tgps. Personally, I think it's sick... but foot fetish traffic kicks azz. Fetish Cash at http://www.fetishcash.com/ <--(great sponsor) did their part too.

Anyway, getting back on subject. With the toplists, you link the AVS site from your circle jerk site, which in turn you use to gain a place on the toplist.

Think about AVS for a moment. I submit a gallery to the tgps. I have a choice to promote either my AVS site or FetishCash. AVS pays $15 per signup, FetishCash pay $35 per signup. If my gallery dealt with bondage, face sitting, or foot fetish, then I'd send the traffic to FetishCash. But if it dealt with dwarfsex (ugh!), then there is no way that traffic will convert with any FetishCash sites. These people want to see naked dwarfs, dammit! So I say I bought 50 dwarf pictures. I would use 20 to submit to the big tgps (AL4A, JJJ, Worldsex for example), and 15 to submit to the smaller tgps (NastyFetishPost, JayZ TGP, PinkWorld)or some of the bigger tgps that are less picky about number of images (The Hun, SnakesWorld, Richard's Realm, Dr. Bizzaro)

BUT. Think for a moment about link lists. What they do is send traffic to your free sites. From your free sites, you send it to your sponsor. But what if the link list would send the traffic straight to your sponsor, bypassing the free site? Well, I could go to the Greenguy now and ask him to link to Kara's Amateurs using my link code. But there's no way in hell that he would do it. BUT, remember, an AVS site is just like a very tiny paysite. Can you see where I'm going with this? Greenguy WILL list AVS sites. In other words, he WILL list my paysite.

Greenie sends a lot of traffic too. If you get a good listing on his "new sites" page you can expect 700 quality visitors per day from him. And that's everyday for 5 days I believe. Not bad eh? Submit an AVS site to him 1 per day every day, and if he accepts them all, you're looking at 3000 quality visitors to your paysite, each and every day forevermore. Not forgetting the traffic he sends from his archive (about 20/day). Once you've got 200 sites, you'll be getting 4000/day from his archives. And you'll still have sites being listed on the new sites page. That's a helluva lot of quality traffic, and a helluva lot of signups.

After 200 days, you should be making thousands each month, enough to live off just doing AVS. But how long to build an AVS siute? About hours per day. If you worked 8 hours per day, you'll have a chance to do other things. Submit a free site each day too. BANG! Another $15,000 year if you do it correctly. Also do a tgp gallery each day. BANG! Another $35,000/year if you know how do it correctly (3 signups/day!) It is easily possible. By now you're at $100k/year. Okay, do cybererotica is doing $80 maybe $90million year? When you've got enough $aved up, and enough traffic to pump around, you can think about starting your own small paysite. And as it grows, you'll have you're own webmaster program paying 60%. And as it grows further, you can start paying $30 signup. By this time, you're a big time fucking webfuckingmaster.

Assuming all goes well, of course. But remember that everyone had humble beginnings. Nobody in this biz has made $100k within a few days of entering it. NOBODY.

I've been working my ass off this past week, reading the boards more than ever and learning more than ever. I'm sharing tips I've learnt from people who are successful, and are earning $150k/year from working 20 hours weekly. Learning where to place banenrs, how to increase click throughs. And it's working, they're right! 6 signups today with FetishCash from tgp traffic, $210. I'm gonna fucking get there, I don't give a shit. If I could do that every day, I'd be hitting all the FetishCash bonuses and earning $40 signup. And at 6 signups day/365 days year, I'd easily be making almost $90k/year. Yes I'd have bad days, but they'd be balanced out by good days as my sites are indexed by search engines. Not to mention the fact that I'd still be building, expanding.

There's a guy who hangs out sometimes on the CyberErotica board, who runs a 200k/day tgp. It's one of those new fashioned shit, that relies heavily on link trades. Kind of like a CJ, 20% of galleries are blind link trades. He posted his stats. They're legit too. He's making $73,000 year with the single 200k tgp, because he's got a shit hot technique. I'll admit, I'm adopting that new technique in all of my free sites from now on. I won't say what it is, but it *IS* a great idea that I never even thought of.

So anyway, each and every day, do this...
1. 1 tgp gallery. Submit.
2. Build 1 free site. Submit.
3. Build 1 AVS site. Submit.

Within a year, you'll be fucking loaded. I'm starting NOW, fuck everyone else, I'm gonna fucking do it. I've kinda gone of the topic a little here, but fuck it, I've motivated myself. Right, now I'm off you build submit build submit build submit. See ya later, suckers!

RedShoe

Holy Shit!!! Move over Tony Robbins, Idinternet is taking over.

I'm motivated enough to start doing that system, but first a little half-life, some tv, and then I'll start. I promise. Ok, Ok, Geez Louise, I'll start right now.

Thanks for the advice, and motivation.

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ldinternet

Hey RedShoe you play Half Life? I just signed up with AOL, and found later that they don't support online gaming. Bastards.

Maybe we should get a multiplayer game going with people from the board. That would be great.

RedShoe

Sure. Too bad I would dominate though. I'm sure it would be fun for me for a while but then day after day of fraggin' you wannabes would get boring. Ooops. Was that outloud.

I'm not much of a webmaster, mostly because I focus all my time on Half life and TFC. I usually play under my domain name. 'LeeannOnline.com'

Hey it's a cheap way to advertise, and since it's just a lingerie site, no one minds.

Actually, I'm just ok at half life, TFC is where I'm pretty good. I was just trying to stir the pot, if you know what I mean.

If you know how to set up a server let me know, and I'll do it.

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