If the "normal" male female parents were living up to their claims that they are "better" parents, there wouldn't be any children to adopt...

You are probably right though. Its better to shove the unwanted kids on the government and pay their support with your taxes.

OR:

Just demand abortions and use the fetus for stem cell research.

better them than me!

[Since the Republicans have gone out on something of a limb over this issue, I'm surprized we haven't seen their usual apologists in this thread yet.]

I'm in two minds about the adoption side of this. I know that "normal" families are a lottery for kids. In any case, when you see great kids and total screw-ups coming from the same families, it makes you wonder just how much influence parents have in the first place.

But except in extreme circumstances there isn't a whole lot we can do about what happens to kids who are brought up by one or more of their parents. Whereas the state (via adoption laws) does have the ability (and the duty) to make choices. At the very least, children adopted into relationships that society still doesn't consider normal, are going to suffer more than the usual cruelty from their peers.

I don't pretend to have the first idea whether they may suffer in other ways. But that is the point. Rather than being primarily concerned with the rights of gay adults, shouldn't a decision on this issue be postponed until there are some solid stats as to whether children brought up in gay families suffer more or fewer problems than other children? There must be enough children being brought up by a natural parents who have moved into gay relationships to make such a study possible [I assume no such study has been done, because if it had, we wouldn't still be arguing theory].

It's a free country, let em do what they want. What do I care?

If it's truly all about children and marriage, then there should be a constitutional amendment to disallow "no-contest" divorces when children would be affected, right? That was one of sen. Clintons stands.

Also, arranged marriages have only about a 20 to 30% divorce rate. Compared to the 50 to 60% divorce rate of typical American marriages, arranged marriages are clearly better for children, right?

Bringing children and family into the debate was a tactic that didnt work. The No vote to not even debate the issue was a clear stand that we're not going to abuse the constitution for a political campaign. It had nothing to do with children or families.

I say live and let live......

I do not like the public displays by them though....:2 cents:

People should have the same rights regardless of their sexuality. I support Gay marriages. :thumbsup

First off moron. Since this is the internet you cant say I said "Cuz god said so" and totally meant it like i was 100% seirous. In fact i had a thought people would misinterprete that part of what i said. Point is that amazing low life compared god to fucking stanta clause. what part of that do u not understand..As far as chastizing, Iv done no such thing. You should read more carefully and actually get the point of the opinion before speaking. BTW if you scroll back to my post theres nothing there that says "fucking god". Honestly you have to try and read better before making a debate.

"Knoweledge" goes a long way! Reading helps build knoweledge!

I've been following this marriage issue for a while...

The reality is all this issue is really is a political issue being used to sway and bring in more conservative voters.There are many other higher priorities than this currently, war in iraq, oil prices, economy, etc.

But the republicans are trying to make this an issue right now to gain momentum and gather more conservatives who may not be happy about the current administration.

Ofcourse they are trying to make it look like this is a value issue, but we all know it is not.

Good Christians like you proclaim to be do not curse. Especially using the name of "God" in the same sentence tsk tsk.

And YOU need to re-read your posts more carefully, because you did say :"cuz fucking god says so" I just copied it from your message and pasted it. shame shame :disgust

"The great majority of studies published in the past 20 years conclude that there are no notable developmental differences between children raised by heterosexual parents and those raised by lesbian and gay parents. Along the same lines, several medical and mental health professional associations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychoanalytic Association, and the American Psychological Association have issued formal statements generally supporting equal access to parenting and adoption for gay men and lesbians."

Centurion: thanks for the input, although I'm left puzzled why the results aren't quoted more to silence the bigots. Anyway, thanks again, I shall go track down those surveys...

Well, bigots as a rule don't like to deal with facts, so you can't depend on them to post 'em. :) So, it leaves it up to the "other side" to do so.

What about the harrasement/taunting aspect that a kid might experience from his/her peers when raised by homosexual parents? What kind of effect will that have on a young kid? I am not disagreeing with what you stated, just throwing this out to play devils advocate.

Care to put any more words into my mouth? Eat my ass.