I dont care. It doesnt affect me or my life so im not worried about it.

You seriously don't believe in this whole gayness is a CHOICE thing do you? Trust me, Richard Simmons didn't have a chocie.

I couldn't care less...

I'm not especially comfortable around gay men (or women) and I can't really figure out why they want to tag themselves with a label that, whatever its romantic connotations these days, was originally a way of making women men's property and formalizing the line of heredity. But if they want to go that route, what difference does it make to me?

The only reason the state has to be involved in marriage (other than because politicians can't leave us alone) is because there are tax advantages. Since I don't think there should be tax breaks for marriage and kids, this is one area of our lives the state shouldn't have any say in at all.

I find it ironic (if understandable, given their courting of the religious right) that the party most vocally opposed to big government, wants to introduce more legislation affecting our private lives.

cuz fucking god says so...But the weird thing about the "gay" topic is that back in the fucking roman days, the romans(guys) use to choose little boys for there sexual pleasures..Woman were only used for making babies.A mans choice back then was there same sex or little boys! Disgusting

God is as real as Santa Claus so surely you have a better reason that that.

"My fictious higher power says it's wrong so that is why I am allowed to dictate how you live"

You are right about the God part, but I do believe in Santa Claus. :Graucho

But on a serious note, saying because God says so is rediculous.

We forget too easily that social mores are constantly changing and talk as if things are as they have always been.

In 15th century Italy, it was normal among the wealthy for a girl's (older) brother to sleep with her on the eve of her wedding so she would have some knowledge of how to pleasure her husband and so she would not be a virgin (and uncomfortable for the groom).

...incest was just fine and viginity was a bad thing... who would have thunk it :)

Well God said incest was good in the beginning too. I mean how did we get more people? Adam HAD to fucked his daughters and Eve HAD to fuck her sons and their children HAD to fuck each other.

I feel really bad for you dude if you dont believe in god...sucks to be you...to compare god to santa claus is fucking moronic..You should really take a vacation and re-think whats important in your life...You have what you have cuz of god(he made it possible for you to be born) so keep speaking ignorance and youll go far. Im sure if he could do it over again seeing how you turned out he would of made your mother have a miscarriage with you! See there are some even god regrets

haha

Does anyone know what the earliest record of a homosexual was? Has homosexuality been around since the beggining of man kind, or is it a more recent phenomonon?

well let them whatever makes them happy...

No complaints here. :2 cents:

YOU are an embarrassment to God!

You are chastizing someone for not believing in your god and saying how important it is to believe in god..yet the first words you posted in this thread were:

"cuz fucking god says so"

I'm sure HE's just overjoyed that you called him a "fucking god"!
What a walking oxymornon you are!

new business!!!

My mother was straight. My father was so straight he needed more than one woman and my mother kicked him to the curb and later married another straight man with which she had my half brother. Therefore I was raised by THREE straight parents and your comment about parents teaching kids what sex to be attracted to is utter silliness.

You can leave your wife everything. If my family wants to override my will the law is on their side.
Special treatment my ass.

as opposed to the alternative of sitting an orphanage alone?

you cant raise anyone to be gay anymore than you could raise anyone to have blue eyes or be 6 feet tall. It's the way they're built.
You cant turn anyone gay or straight. Its just the way they are.

The only thing you can raise someone to be is open minded and learn to respect all different kinds of people out there.

Are you sure about that? After Cain killed Abel and was to be cast out his biggest fear in leaving was those out there that would kill him and God said he would protect him from them.

If you believe the Bible is a true documentation of history then there were others on Earth but they somehow got condensed in the story.

Nah, stick em in a normal home where the alcoholic straight daddy kicks ass and takes names:winkwink: :thumbsup

Homosexuality was invented by Truman Capote and Paul Lynde sometime in the '60's:glugglug

gay people deserve the same rights as straight people,

a civil union is discrimination,

no one said the church has to mary gay people,

but the judges at city halls, should,

the governments view on mariage should not be based on religion,

tones of interfaith people marry, and so to many people who do not beleive in god or belong to any church,

and many people get legal divorces which is against many religions,

so a marriage at city hall, has nothing to do with god, or at least should not, a marrige is already a civil matter, so a civil union for gay people is just a seperate but equal form of gay bashing,

fuck marriage

why do gay people want in on this big scam? smarten the fuck up you homo's.

i agree with alexg on adoptions issue. I don't mind about gay marriages, but kids are a whole different, more complicated chapter.

i know gay people who would make better parents than many straight people,

stop for a second and think about the bad stuff that happends to kids in the real world,

then get of the gay bashing band wagon and realize they are people like anyone else,

some good, some bad, some perfectly capable of being good parents,

other not nearly capable,

the criteria for adoption should be based on the individual cadidates, irefardless of being gay or not,

thinks, like a support system, the home, stability, general abilities of the adopters are most important, not wether they are gay or not,

lots of straight people are high on drugs burning cigarette wholes in there kids skin,

while gay couples are working and living healthy lives, and could care and raise a child easily like most straight people, most gay people are not monsters,

so stop the hatting,

And GAY parents aren't forcing a gay lifestyle on anyone...when the child is old enough and discovers he's heterosexual, he can have a hetero lifestyle.

LOL...and the best part of that is since so many homophobic freaks with that very mindset have opted to load up the sperm banks for the short term cash payout, it is very very possible for gays (through a surrogate) and lesbians (from in vitro, anonymous donations) to be able to have their own children....

nothing with it, they do it so its their choice

marriage was created so men wouldn't have to leave their money to illegitimate heirs and so royals could keep their bloodlines pure.

It seems I got misunderstood. I don;t agree with alexg on the following:

"letting gay couples adopt children means forcing gay lifestyle and gay parents on the children, and I don't support that"

but I agree that gay couples adopting kids is not an easy yes.

It doesn't have anything to do with gay or lesbians. My concern is if the kids will manage to grew normally without psychological problems in a society that doesnt accept gay people as it should. There's nothing worse than a depressed kid, a kid with psychological problems. A single event, phrase, scene can affect a kid for a lifetime and that's what I worry the most.

If a single male parent can grow with no problems a kid, then two men can do the same.

It's not about who the parents are, but is related with the society standards. It's a question scientists are in better position to answer than the rest of us.
A grown man on his first sexual contact receives a negative comment and for the rest of his life is affected. Can you guarantee me for example that the comments about the sexuality of their parents in school won't affect them for a lifetime?

I dont care......

let them do what they want to do, just dont bother me with it

Live and let live

I sell wedding rings - I'm all for it.

I dont care:glugglug

yep, someone might get mad fun of, but life is tuff, being raised by two gay men, or raised by 2 woman is not the end of the world,

we have to live with the cards life deals us, and we are who we are because of the life we get delt,

people grow up without fathers, with parents in prison, with abusive parents and substance abusing parents, and others are poor, or interracial, or ugly, or fat, or whatever, they all get made fun of, have to over come adversity,

my point is, all people have the right to raise there own children,
and as far as adoptions go, there are good homes waiting for kids in gay homes,

Do you promise to honor, obey, and shove your cock in this mans ass for life?:moon



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I really could care less, just making fun of light in loafer fellows...

always funny to read how narrow minded some people are, im just awaiting a post of some nerd whos gonna proof with some report that 2 homos raising kids generate kids who are gay too, probably there made by some christian shit agency just like the masturbation kills pages

sad sad

nature vs. nurture

its a interesting debate, but I mean at the end of the day, who cares,

the real sickness in society, is the zealots and bigots, who do more damage, than two daddys could ever do,

all I have to say, is stop the hate,

also, think what some think of your lifestyle,

your suitability to raise children, your family values,

in case you had not notice, adult webmasters are not to popular

and a amendmant to ban porno is as popular idea in many circles as banning gay marriage,

The first recorded mention of homosexuality in literature is, in fact, a major component in THE OLDEST recorded literature: in the Epic Poem of Gilgamesh and Enkidu. The story is estimated to have been written in cuneform well over 1000 years before the hebrew bible surfaced, and is believed to have been carried by the oral traditions (no pun intended) for perhaps another 1000 years prior in some form or the other. It's widely regarded as the oldest surviving narrative work.

You can find out a bit more about it at this site.

I think gays couples should have all the rights and benefits of married couples, but they should keep the marriage up to the church, not the government. :2 cents:

I think Jesus today would support gay marriage.

Didn't Jesus save that woman from getting stoned to death because some religious nuts said she was a prostitute? And Jesus told them that they are no better than she.
So I think Jesus would tell these people that same message today, to leave the gays alone and that the religious people are no better than anyone else : )

It works fine in the Netherlands

I really think thats the right spirit. On the other hand, a lot of homosexual people usually tend they want to scream it off the roof <---> attention whores.

it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy

Not according to Rick Santorum, he says that country fell apart because of it:1orglaugh

Theres apparently only 1 reference to homosexuality in the Bible and it wasn't made by Jesus. I think it was made by Paul in a letter he sent back to Rome.
In case anyone actually cares to research.

but until then, he must bear with having 2 daddies...

I think they have the right to get married. Whether they call it marriage, or a civil union, doesn't really concern me. I don't think they should be allowed to adopt children.

masterbating kills kittens

i thought everyone knew that?