love conquers all, most of the lesbian relationships I've encountered are some of the most loving relationships I've sceen amoung any people. if the parents are in love, the kids see that and it makes for healthier kids.

Gays will ruin marriage. I mean marriage is so sacred to straights as our 60% divroce rate will atest too. And look at straight celebs. Britney Spears 48 hour marriage, JLo's yearly marriages. Liz Taylor, Mickey Roomey. Eight is enough? Not for them it isn't. Gays will just make marriage a joke.

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gotta love people who jump into conclusions

Incidentaly, ask me sometime how I can have three mothers in law. :glugglug

i will say though that i'd like to see more detailed stats on gay male parents.... i know many healthy gay male relationships and i know a LOT of fucked up ones as well, be interesting to see if gay male parents staistlically have as good results as gay female parents... I'd personally think gay male parents would have about the same ratio as straight parents with buggered kids, but that's just a guess with no fact other than my personal experiences and that's not enough to form a statitically accurate hypotosis....

that might a general statement though on how i think males i general are more fucked up emotionally than females.....

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I have nothing about gay relationship like I already said, if you would have just listened.

I was only speaking about gay couples adopting children. this is a specific thing that I oppose to

to any study you show that supports your theory, I can find a contradicting one :2 cents:

this thread was about opinions and I don't intent to look for any so called "proof". I have stated my opinion about gay marriage and gay children adopting

As we all know gays will moslest and abuse children. Unlike straight couples.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/07/...ents.abuse.ap/

I see two kinds of people on this thread... Those who think love is the most important thing, and those who let fear rule them.

I can garantee those of you that think a gay couple with a kid will not do anything differently than a straight couple will do. "Good" Parents will guide there kid in the direction they see fit and will do everything in their power to protect them from harm. Anyone outside that family situation has no right to tell parents rather they are gay or not that they are wrong for raising their child the way they choose to do so. So don't use the excuse of someone being gay to condone parenthood. Because there are only good parents and bad parents, and gay parents can be both not just bad parents.
You guys out there preaching that gay couples should not be able to adopt kids or have kids I guess are the same kind of people and parents that preach to your kids that they can be themselves and be true to their beliefs right?

Going back to the first post..

I dont know what you mean by this statement. 46 or 47 state constitutions already state that a marriage is a union between 1 man and 1 woman.
Also, NO state ever has, and never will be, forced to recognize a "marriage" made in one state as valid in their state. Along those lines, in 1996 Clinton signed into law the Defence of Marriage Act (DOMA) which specifically prevents one states lawmakers (ie: the much villified "radically liberal" Mass. Courts) from dictating the definition of "marriage" for any other state.

In short, the story you linked and your statement really have nothing to do with one another, which is why the majority vote was not only against the proposed amendment, it was against any further DEBATE on the proposed amendment.

A genuine slam dunk. Just a dirty campaign tactic, shameful too.

I'm all for it. Only reason to be against it is if you're a bible thumper, there is no other reason - and that's not even a good one.

Exactly! Who does it hurt? I know the opponents say that it will destroy marriage as we know it, but I don't get that. It's not like they're going to force you to divorce your spouse and marry some of the same sex. I have no more problem with two guys getting married than I do with Britney getting married to whomever in a drunken stupor. In fact, I'd rather see a marriage between two men, raising children in a loving and supportive home than to see a LOT of straight couples who don't bother to get married, but crank out a bunch of kids that they'll abuse and ignore and turn into thugs.

what do you want to point out by that?

that there are more psychos among straight people then among gay? it's true, simply due to the fact that there are more straight people then gay

Ah..come one. Put your money where your mouth is (in this case, the 2 cents). Give me just one group EQUAL in stature to the following group that supports your views:

The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychoanalytic Association, and the American Psychological Association have issued formal statements generally supporting equal access to parenting and adoption for gay men and lesbians."

As to my own personal opinion, I see nothing wrong with same sex couples from being "married".

I cant imagine someone being with the same person for 10, 20 maybe 40 years and they die, and because they're gay, they dont get inheritance, they dont even get to visit them in the hospital because they're not "family".

So even if "marriage" is a term reserved for a union between 1 man and 1 woman, I'd be for a civil union that grants similar or same rights to same sex couples as oppisite sex couples get currently.

There's over 1000 legal benefits that a "marriage" gives you.

Very well put.

Agreed. I've been struck by not only personal experience, but the # of studies that backs this up.

And about your later message that maybe it reflects more on men being screwed up over women..I think you're onto something there.:)

And good let them adopt and raise children who grow up to be gay too.

The world needs more gays and lesbians. People need to stop breeding so damn much anyhow.

What is wrong with two fathers? Half the kids in the US probably have two fathers? Mom marries dad, then mom divorces dad and marries Jim Bob, both Jim Bob and biological dad play the dad role.

As far as I'm concerned, if gays want to get married big deal....everyone acts like it is the BIG thing...it is almost like they think that if you stop them from getting married they won't be gay anymore.

Marriage is just a means of cementing a committed relationship. I think they have just as much right to do that then male/female couples do.

I'm surprised actually by the views of many on this board....like being gay is so perverted....yet they peddle fisting, orgies, double anal and everything else under the son...and it is A-OK because somewhere in that tangled mound of bodies there is a male and a female.

Studies have shown that gays who raise children don't turn the children gay. I have a cousin who is gay, been with the same guy for 25 years and frankly, even though they never adopted they would have made awesome parents. Both highly educated, both with great jobs, both stable, very involved in the community and charity work. Hell, I pale in comparison to their commitment to mankind.

I dont care. It doesnt affect me or my life so im not worried about it.

You seriously don't believe in this whole gayness is a CHOICE thing do you? Trust me, Richard Simmons didn't have a chocie.

I couldn't care less...

I'm not especially comfortable around gay men (or women) and I can't really figure out why they want to tag themselves with a label that, whatever its romantic connotations these days, was originally a way of making women men's property and formalizing the line of heredity. But if they want to go that route, what difference does it make to me?

The only reason the state has to be involved in marriage (other than because politicians can't leave us alone) is because there are tax advantages. Since I don't think there should be tax breaks for marriage and kids, this is one area of our lives the state shouldn't have any say in at all.

I find it ironic (if understandable, given their courting of the religious right) that the party most vocally opposed to big government, wants to introduce more legislation affecting our private lives.

cuz fucking god says so...But the weird thing about the "gay" topic is that back in the fucking roman days, the romans(guys) use to choose little boys for there sexual pleasures..Woman were only used for making babies.A mans choice back then was there same sex or little boys! Disgusting

God is as real as Santa Claus so surely you have a better reason that that.

"My fictious higher power says it's wrong so that is why I am allowed to dictate how you live"

You are right about the God part, but I do believe in Santa Claus. :Graucho

But on a serious note, saying because God says so is rediculous.

We forget too easily that social mores are constantly changing and talk as if things are as they have always been.

In 15th century Italy, it was normal among the wealthy for a girl's (older) brother to sleep with her on the eve of her wedding so she would have some knowledge of how to pleasure her husband and so she would not be a virgin (and uncomfortable for the groom).

...incest was just fine and viginity was a bad thing... who would have thunk it :)

Well God said incest was good in the beginning too. I mean how did we get more people? Adam HAD to fucked his daughters and Eve HAD to fuck her sons and their children HAD to fuck each other.

I feel really bad for you dude if you dont believe in god...sucks to be you...to compare god to santa claus is fucking moronic..You should really take a vacation and re-think whats important in your life...You have what you have cuz of god(he made it possible for you to be born) so keep speaking ignorance and youll go far. Im sure if he could do it over again seeing how you turned out he would of made your mother have a miscarriage with you! See there are some even god regrets

haha

Does anyone know what the earliest record of a homosexual was? Has homosexuality been around since the beggining of man kind, or is it a more recent phenomonon?

well let them whatever makes them happy...

No complaints here. :2 cents:

YOU are an embarrassment to God!

You are chastizing someone for not believing in your god and saying how important it is to believe in god..yet the first words you posted in this thread were:

"cuz fucking god says so"

I'm sure HE's just overjoyed that you called him a "fucking god"!
What a walking oxymornon you are!

new business!!!

My mother was straight. My father was so straight he needed more than one woman and my mother kicked him to the curb and later married another straight man with which she had my half brother. Therefore I was raised by THREE straight parents and your comment about parents teaching kids what sex to be attracted to is utter silliness.

You can leave your wife everything. If my family wants to override my will the law is on their side.
Special treatment my ass.

as opposed to the alternative of sitting an orphanage alone?

you cant raise anyone to be gay anymore than you could raise anyone to have blue eyes or be 6 feet tall. It's the way they're built.
You cant turn anyone gay or straight. Its just the way they are.

The only thing you can raise someone to be is open minded and learn to respect all different kinds of people out there.

Are you sure about that? After Cain killed Abel and was to be cast out his biggest fear in leaving was those out there that would kill him and God said he would protect him from them.

If you believe the Bible is a true documentation of history then there were others on Earth but they somehow got condensed in the story.