I think most kids wouldn't give a tinker's damn about what was said in class unless they had an idiot parent like you TELLING them that these kids are "wrong"!

Indeed I am! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

The only think that I can see being a problem is that they're gonna feel different because they have gay parents. But then again, nowadays who doesn't feel different? Plenty of children have some situation at home.

From what I know, no there aren't enough people who want to adopt children.

This thread should be closed..Never on any circumstance should this topic be talked about lol

please define "homophob" and then explain how I am one

very clever:thumbsup

keep up the good work

Alex, I think that is an ignorant statment to make. You think its ok for homosexuals to get married, but you don't think its appropriate for them to adopt?WHY?

Do you have any idea just how many children there are in foster homes and adoption centers just waiting, dying for a loving family to take them into their home?

I know first hand, because my aunt and uncle were medically unable to have children on their own, so they decided to adopt. After waiting for paperwork, and verifications,and backround checks to go through, they were able to go to the adoption center to choose which baby they wanted to take home. When my aunt got home, she broke down in tears because of the condition of these types of places (they adopted from Russia because the waiting list for a newborn was too long in Canada) and the way the children are treated there. They were basically tied to the sides of the basinette because the volume of babies far exceeded the amount of hands they had to take care of them.They were only fed once a day because the adoption centers do not recieve enough funding to feed the children properly.

Anyway, I dont understand why some people have a problem if two capable, loving, caring individuals (if they are homosexual) adopt a baby. Wouldnt you rather be raised by two loving people (regardless of their sex) in a good home, then be tossed into some foster home and left to rot, with subpar supervision, and no one on one attention?? Just because a gay couple adopts a child, it doesnt necessarily mean the child will turn out to be gay, and if they do, SO WHAT. Why should it bother you? Every gay person I know what raised by STRAIGHT parents.

Anyway, carry on. This is just my :2 cents:

i like watching the christians squirm.

these people cant imagine gays marrying but lie to themselves and say they are not separatists and hypocrits, and are honorable christians.

ha ha

your end is coming christians

Here Alexg, trying wrapping your brain around this:
It's called SCIENCE and FACTS:

"A new study has reaffirmed what many gay parents have already known by declaring that gay and lesbian parents have no significant negative effect on the children they raise.

The report, from the Canadian Psychological Association (CPA), also claims that there is no medical or empirical evidence to suggest that children raised by gay and lesbians will turn out gay themselves.

However, the CPA says that the key to ensuring children are raised to be happy and well-adjusted adults lies in the acceptance of their parents and their family structure.

"All children deserve to feel that society accepts and recognises their families," association president Dr. Patrick O'Neill said yesterday.

"Children of same-sex couples are no exception."

This is just ONE of hundreds of studies done all reaching (unless done by a right wing christian outfit) the same conclusion.

Look in the mirror.

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it threatens the entire future of mankind, raising kids to be gay doesnt seem to be a good idea.

LOL

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Thanks for the laugh..it's not war, famine, pestilence, or even terrorism that threatens the future of mankind.

It's those damn gays raising mostly unwanted children in a loving safe home.

How dare they endanger the future of this planet by being loving to children!!

:1orglaugh

i want nothing more than less people on the earth

I strongly agree. I have nothing against gay marriage, but a kid that has 2 fathers, that's not right.

marriage should be a union b/w a man and woman for the purpose of bearing children.

why should gay people recieve special treatment while your everyday drug user must hang their head in shame.

allowing gay people to marry will not be good for society in general, especially for the kids who will watch and mimic actions they see.

I explained why already.

don't try to present me as some kind of monster

I'm aware and feel for orphan children. My heart goes out to them, but I don't believe that allowing gay couples to adopt children would solve the orphans problem.

of course having two homosexual parents is better then no parents, but we're discussing another matter of principle, and not ways to solve the orphans problem

what he said, I absolutely agree:thumbsup

WHY is it not right?

i day let them do what they want to if they wanna get married let them. gay relationships aren't that much different from hetero retaltionships, they have ups and downs, breakups, fights, etc....

their divorce rate will probably be about the same as hetero divorces so what's the big difference other than the sexes of the parties?????

more than 50% of marriages end in divorce.

CHILDREN THESE DAYS HAVE 2 MOMS AND 2 DADS

and 2 sets of grandparents and so on, ignorant people i swear.

idiots.

because kids are molded by their parents, they think what they teach them to think, therefore they will be gay as well. they will think being gay is what you are suppose to be.

so is a homophob a sexy and well built jew guy?

I bet you can't even define it..ok, I'll give you some time to google it. but i guarantee you cannot prove me to be a homophob simply because of the fact that I am not

I really wasn't trying to make you look like a total meanie, but it is sad to see all of the unwanted kids. It just makes me think...

Says who? Because it's been "traditional"?
It was "traditional" for the longest time to have slaves.
It was "traditional" for the longest time for women to not have the right to vote.

There are many traditions that eventually got overturned as mankind became more "enlightened". So I ask you, WHO or WHAT is this all knowing power that says marriage should be ONLY between a man and a woman?

And the bit about gay people & drug users..HUH??

yeah, but why starting out by giving the child 2 moms or 2 dads right away, if there is still a chance that straight marriage will not end with divorce?

admit it, you didnt want civil rights for blacks, you think jews like the flavor of zyklon and there is no such thing as a useful woman outside the home.

i love your "traditional" values.

I was talking about having only 2 fathers, no mothers.

I think that kids would get picked on in that kind of situation, and it's just not fair for them. They have no choice, but to live with their parents and by parent I mean MOM and DAD.

I notice you continue to evade my question of PROOF to back up your "convictions". I ask the same of all who make the general posts that gay parents are bad for children and will make them gay.

How about some proof, ANY proof from a respected person/group of people that have studied this issue and found YOUR viewpoint to be true?

Waiting for an answer to this one!

do you argue that kids do not look up and mimic adult behavior?

hey alexg, there is a guy in our history books who shares your thoughts on this, his name was Adolf Hitler.

I enjoy seeing the oppressed become the oppressor.

Funny to see you siding with Hitler, who would have thought? Alongside the jews, Hitler killed in excess of 15000 homosexuals in nazi germany.

history has taught you people NOTHING.

To all who hold the conviction that gay parents have a negative effect on raising adopted children:


"The new study by two University of Southern California sociologists says children with lesbian
or gay parents show more empathy for social diversity.
The study's co-author, Judith Stacey, is a professor of contemporary gender studies.
In addition to pointing out the gender differences in the two groups of children,
she states that there are in fact some advantages to an all-female parental team without
Dad living in the home: a female couple tends to be more involved in the children's lives
and is in greater harmony in terms of parenting approaches.

Among the findings cited by the authors:


1. Compared to the daughters of heterosexual mothers, the daughters of lesbians more
frequently dress, play and behave in ways that do not conform to sex-typed cultural norms.
They show greater interest in activities with both masculine and feminine qualities. They have higher aspirations to occupations that are not traditionally female.


2. In terms of aggression and play, sons of lesbians behave in less traditionally masculine ways.
They are likely to be more nurturing and affectionate than their counterparts in heterosexual families."

who said anything about tradition? a man and a man cannot bear children, im talking about human nature.

gayness is not human nature, its an anomaly.

and about drug users, i was talking about a minority of the population who desire a change in legislation but will not recieve it because it will not benefit society as a whole.

Of course they do. But they don't mimic "sexual preference" behavior.

gayness is NOT an anomaly. It's not only present in the human race, but also in the animal and insect kingdoms.

There is a big difference between a minority and an anomaly.

LESBIAN AND GAY PARENTING

"The great majority of studies published in the past 20 years conclude that there are no notable developmental differences between children raised by heterosexual parents and those raised by lesbian and gay parents. Along the same lines, several medical and mental health professional associations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychoanalytic Association, and the American Psychological Association have issued formal statements generally supporting equal access to parenting and adoption for gay men and lesbians."

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Bailey, J.M., Bobrow, D., Wolfe, M., & Mikach, S. (1995). Sexual orientation of adult sons of gay fathers. Developmental Psychology, 31, 124-129.



Reports the result of a study of 55 gay or bisexual men who had a total of 82 sons at least 17 years of age. The fathers were recruited through advertisements in gay publications. Eighty-nine percent of the fathers identified themselves as gay. The rest identified themselves as bisexual. More than 90% of the sons whose sexual orientation could be rated were heterosexual. The sexual orientation of the sons was not positively correlated with the amount of time the sons lived with their fathers. The authors conclude that the available evidence fails to provide empirical grounds for denying child custody to lesbian and gay parents because of concern about the effect on the child's sexual orientation.

Golombok, S., Spencer, A., & Rutter, M. (1983). Children in lesbian and single-parent households: Psychosexual and psychiatric appraisal. Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry, 24, 551-572.



Compares aspects of child development in 27 lesbian households with a total of 37 children (aged 5-17 years) and 27 heterosexual single-parent households with a total of 38 children (aged 15-17 years). Data were gathered through systematic standardized interviews with mothers and children and through parent and teacher questionnaires. Ratings of the children's psychosexual and psychiatric status were done "blind" to family circumstances. Results indicated no differences between the children of lesbian and heterosexual mothers in gender identity or sex-role behavior. There was no evidence of inappropriate gender identity among the children of lesbian mothers, and age and developmentally appropriate friendships and good peer relationships were observed in both groups. Psychiatric problems among the children were infrequent in both groups but proportionately higher in the heterosexual single-parent group.