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zdwebber · 07-12-2004, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halo18
... I get the feeling a lot of people here talk a lot of shit without the bank accounts or business skills to back it up.

So true.
If nothing else, this thread proves that one fact.

Shaze · 07-12-2004, 11:12 PM

keep us posted...i'd love to see your progress.

Halo18 · 07-12-2004, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AVM
FYI - I started with $0.00, and had to sell my one and only mainstream site for $3k to become "not homeless". Put three months down for rent (first, last, security) on a house & bought car insurance. I was left with nothing but 30-days to find some revenue stream. So in the meantime I worked my ass off, finally brokered a great domain, took that little bit of cash, and now with 30+ biz deals, and 10 sites under my belt - I have six figures in capital and three figures daily in residual income.

Mind you this is all within a 16-month period, and that I am younger than you Halo. So definitely - Anything is possible, regardless of budget. Ambition, determination, and a business mentality will always outweigh inherited "mommas boy, daddys trust fund" finances.

G/L

Thanks man, hit me up on ICQ if ya get the time. 324-549-991

quiet · 07-12-2004, 11:15 PM

many people started with zero.

Halo18 · 07-12-2004, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shaze
keep us posted...i'd love to see your progress.

That's the whole point of the thread. I'll be going into details about what's going on once things get rolling. Only bad thing is, like I said... I can't apply for the loan until the 25th. So, this will be getting bumped in the coming weeks when things start up.

pood · 07-12-2004, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halo18
Yup, thats the boat I've been in and I'm so, so sick of it. The one thing I truely love doing is art... but what are the chances of making good money painting? The term "starving artist" didn't come without a base in reality. So what could I do? Keep cutting meat for shitty money for the rest of my life? Fuck that. I need a way out, and I decided over a year ago this is what I want to do. Countless amounts of reading later - I'm ready to make a serious start.

if you really love doing art

why not give a try for graphics design, save some money and design your own layout

Halo18 · 07-12-2004, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pood
if you really love doing art

why not give a try for graphics design, save some money and design your own layout

I'm currently in school majoring in graphic design. I could design each page myself, but would they be as good as one done by someone who does adult design for a living? I'd like to say yes. But, more importantly... I think the time I'd have to spend designing the amount of pages I need is worth more than what I'll end up paying. I'm trying to approach this as a business...which I'm finding is a hard thing for a lot of people to do. Running my plans by some of my friends, I got responses like "its just porn". If I was trying to seriously get into another business... wouldn't it be wise to pay someone else to do the most time consuming work for me? Maybe I'm wrong - and I very well may be. But that's just how I'm looking at it.

emthree · 07-12-2004, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halo18
I'm currently in school majoring in graphic design. I could design each page myself, but would they be as good as one done by someone who does adult design for a living? I'd like to say yes. But, more importantly... I think the time I'd have to spend designing the amount of pages I need is worth more than what I'll end up paying. I'm trying to approach this as a business...which I'm finding is a hard thing for a lot of people to do. Running my plans by some of my friends, I got responses like "its just porn". If I was trying to seriously get into another business... wouldn't it be wise to pay someone else to do the most time consuming work for me? Maybe I'm wrong - and I very well may be. But that's just how I'm looking at it.

This is true in many cases, but only people with some money in the bank can roll with such a mind set. In your case you can probably get the outlining work done on your sites, then hire a person to complete it. This way you can save a few bucks.

It takes sweat, tears, headaches and allnighters to get a proper start in the business world.

Theo · 07-13-2004, 12:03 AM

$2k is enough for a start in this business. Me and my partner started with just a domain and paying like $25-30/month for hosting and it didnt happen ages ago.

toddler · 07-13-2004, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halo18
I'm currently in school majoring in graphic design. I could design each page myself, but would they be as good as one done by someone who does adult design for a living? I'd like to say yes. But, more importantly... I think the time I'd have to spend designing the amount of pages I need is worth more than what I'll end up paying. I'm trying to approach this as a business...which I'm finding is a hard thing for a lot of people to do. Running my plans by some of my friends, I got responses like "its just porn". If I was trying to seriously get into another business... wouldn't it be wise to pay someone else to do the most time consuming work for me? Maybe I'm wrong - and I very well may be. But that's just how I'm looking at it.

agree with what you say..but, in my world of admin...work smarter. automate what you can, DO NOT do each page or pay for each 'page' by hand. Build templates that you can mix and match. The time of static pages is past.....

that being said, good luck to you..

(and you are 100% correct on the attitude and cash bits. watch out for the egos)

Halo18 · 07-13-2004, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by emthree
This is true in many cases, but only people with some money in the bank can roll with such a mind set.

Like I said earlier, I'm in this for the long haul, and am starting small.

This isn't a... "watch a new guy make 5 grand in his first month in the biz" thread. I truely hope it didn't come off like that. This is nothing more than an invite to watch what happens when someone starts out.

mammy · 07-13-2004, 12:12 AM

good luck bug
if u will need good quliaty design for low price to succeed
hit me up in icq
i will be glad to help u

Theo · 07-13-2004, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by <IMX>
I wouldn't start off buying traffic....
Milk everything you can for free....

Get a designer who is decent and get them to do a basic archive design for a movie archive and mgp galleries... http://www.buildporn.com ($300 or so)

use variations of it on
adult bouncer
deluxepass
janswebring
pornaccess
ars champs and any other archive type aens
do half str8t niche, half gay niche

Get webmasterlabor to do daily MGP submits for you. ($360) rotate between your archives... so you always have fresh content to submit to mgps....

You do daily TGP submits, AVS and Link List submits. (chameleon $20/mo) (AVS Wizard ($100 one time)

For AVS use proadult, freenetpass, freeagecard and sexkey, mansites, ugas, and globalmalepass.

Have two hubs a tgp hub for all your mgp/tgp galleries and a link list hub. Use TTT php (free) and AGSQL ($65) for the mgp and Gossamer Threads (free) and TTT PHP for the link list.

That rat there is a good ass plan

some good advices

additionally, if you plan to do this full-time try to make few non adult sites as well. They can turn better and easier profit than adult at this moment.

Tuga · 07-13-2004, 12:13 AM

Good luck sir!

Halo18 · 07-13-2004, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
some good advices

additionally, if you plan to do this full-time try to make few non adult sites as well. They can turn better and easier profit than adult at this moment.

any advice on what type of non-adult sites?

EnigmaTek · 07-13-2004, 12:22 AM

Halo,

If you are up for possibly working out some hosting trade/partnership hit me up.

I have my own colocated server relatively unused resources and bandwidth. I can be flexible as to what gets installed and configured.

This goes for anyone else too.

ICQ me at 257500889
AIM me at EnigmaTek

Mike

XxShiznaughtxX · 07-13-2004, 12:26 AM

Congrats on getting the loan, most people your age probably don't have the credit to get a loan for 300 bux.

Theo · 07-13-2004, 12:33 AM

what's your email? i prefer not share info on a board full of made millionaires

TurboTrucker · 07-13-2004, 12:51 AM

One word of advice - promote what YOU like. Promote the stuff that turns you on, you will do a better job at it.

bcooter · 07-13-2004, 01:16 AM

I wish you all the luck. I'm in the same boat. Except I'm a little bit lazy. I took out a loan for 2500, to promote my mainstream site, and have profited pretty well. However, I have put most of my profit into my adult sites, and I guess they suck, cause they are money pits. But, I have learned A LOT in the past year and have turned a pretty nice profit, and I would be happy to repay the favors that so many of the cooler webmasters have given me.

If you need anything, hit me up on ICQ 195479304 or aim bcooter151

montel · 07-13-2004, 01:18 AM

i looj forward to seeing what happens. i suggest you go to a casino and put the whole lot on red.

infectd · 07-13-2004, 01:30 AM

I'll be bookmarking this thread, good luck.

McSpike · 07-13-2004, 01:38 AM

I started with 0. Now I make so much I can't tell my friends about it anymore. I just keep telling them the amount I was making 2 years ago and they all go (whoa, nice!). If they only knew how much things changed.

dude, internet is still at its early stage. there's a ton of money to be made still. just be in the game.

stev0 · 07-13-2004, 01:50 AM

Good luck man.... my advice, spend wisely.

You don't need $2000 to get started in this business...

Start with a cheap host and work your way up. For good cheap hosting check out the deals over at http://www.250host.com ... http://www.amateurhosting.com is also a good cheap host to start out with while your bandwidth is relatively low.

Need content? You can always use free sponsor content... check out AdultLounge ... they've got tons of free content for you to promote AdultLounge with, and the conversions are great!

Or if you want to buy content check out http://www.worldwidecontent.com

AVS & Free Sites are still a great way to promote programs without using a shitload of bandwidth (TGP). And you'll notice alot higher conversions too... I'd give them a shot first, and maybe try some PPC SE's.

Halo18 · 07-13-2004, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
what's your email? i prefer not share info on a board full of made millionaires

webmaster at (god i hate spam) halo18.com

johnbosh · 07-13-2004, 11:20 AM

wow this is gonna be an great contest

Halo18 · 07-13-2004, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnbosh
wow this is gonna be an great contest

What contest?

boneprone · 07-13-2004, 12:42 PM

Good luck bro.

No need to try to grow too fast.
I see this happen too often.

Grow slow. Stable. Dont rush it. Dont stress for funds to do this ot that. Just grow grow grow and re-invest, reinvest reinvest.

Being you are in school puts you at an advantage. You can grow it slow and stable and go to school at the same time.

I was in Grad School in 1997 when I started as well. I would skip class and do work in the library or Computer labs in college. By buds would laugh..

Even when I graduated I got a real job and did my Porn stuff on the side. Grew it more and more and more, and Re-invested almost all the money it made. SHit was spendy back then. Everything from content to bandwith to programing. Now days that shit is all cheap and growth can happen overnight what once would take weeks if not months.

Nevertheless take your time. And remember dont grow to fast.
Take your time and establish that base. And Re-Invest that money you make from it, dont spend it. Evolve with the industry, and dont let it chew you up. By reinvesting your money into your shit it helps you adapt to the environment and evolve with the industry. You see too many companies or webmasters who make the cash then they spend it or blow it. Then they just wash away becasue of thier inabilty to adapt and evolve.

Get a stable base and grow and contiue to always grow and evolve is the best weapon you can have. Its a weapon that is purely just a frame of mind. Yet so many webmasters lack it.

This advice goes to any niche of the industry. I have not idea what you are doing specfically, but I assure you this will apply to what ever you intend to do.

Good luck and stick with it. I rememeber my old poor college days like they were yesterday. It was an exciting time.

boneprone · 07-13-2004, 12:47 PM

Oh yeah...
Another piece of advice.

OUTSOURCE...

Never hire a American Programer. Designers are ok, but programers outsource.

They are cheaper, more creative and dedicated. They are just as sharp and will save you a bundle. And they seem to stick around to the end. Dont believe the BS that Euro, Former Soviet Nation, and Turkish people cant be trusted. They can. And the dollar goes a long way with them. One thing they are not afriad to do is work.

your typical American programer is spoiled.

How do you find good foreign programers?

Network. Network Network.

Thats one of the biggest tools you can have. Your networking ability. Get to know people. Not fucking around on GFY.. ITs networking yeah, but have a more serious means of networking as well. Your sucess in the biz will be as good as your social network not just your technical network.

infectd · 07-13-2004, 12:47 PM

Looks like some solid advice Boneprone. Thanks and Keep us posted Halo18

polish_aristocrat · 07-13-2004, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halo18
So, no sex.com affiliates need bother

lol, you're a funny one

best luck Halo

polish_aristocrat · 07-13-2004, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
some good advices

additionally, if you plan to do this full-time try to make few non adult sites as well. They can turn better and easier profit than adult at this moment.

hey champion, what kind of mainstream sites ?

boneprone · 07-13-2004, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
hey champion, what kind of mainstream sites ?

jesus.com

gornyhuy · 07-13-2004, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spunky1
Patience ,persistance

Well said.

I started out with $0 invested and slowly steadily built up from grass roots types efforts- so it can be done.

Halo18 · 07-13-2004, 02:10 PM

Well... damn, I havta say I've gotten a far better response than I imagined. Part of me was expecting to get flamed non-stop for a good three pages with something like "50 retarded newbies" and "100 soon to be 2K in debt" to top off pages 2 and 3.

boneprone: Thanks a lot for the advice and encouragement, you're actually on my list of "people you should get to know".

polish_aristocrat: I do try.

infectd: will do, watch for the bump when things get started.

boobmaster · 07-13-2004, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halo18
In about 2 weeks I will be borrowing $2,000 dollars. (Why am I waiting roughly 2 weeks? Simple - my bank is offering a lower APR as a special starting on July 25th.)

Now, I'm new but not... moronic 'I wanna make teh millions sellin pron!~!" new. I've been researching this business venture for a long time now, and now it's time to put that research into action.

I figure whatever your opinion of newbies is, this should be an entertaining thread. If you're a newbie as well, you'll see what's possible when you take a little risk and research what you're doing and who you're working with. If you've been in the game for a while and like seeing newbies come up, this can give you a possible business partner for the future. And, lastly - if you've been in the game and generally hate newbies... well, you just might get to see one put themself 2K in debt.

Now, 2K may not seem like a lot to most of you... well, correction: some of you. I'm talking dollars, not post count... after lurking for a year or so I get the feeling a lot of people here talk a lot of shit without the bank accounts or business skills to back it up. Anyway, 2K is a good bit of money to me, considering I'm a college student currently working a dead-end job for $7 an hour... which ends up being something like $5.50 after taxes. So, making this 2K will take me... around 363 of work if I put every dime I make towards paying it back. So, is it a huge risk? No... If there's ever a time to put yourself in debt, it's when you're 20. But it's a risk none the less.

I'll bookmark this thread and bump it when things get under way. I'll be posting my initial costs, the traffic I generate and purchase, the productivity of said traffic, the sponsors I use, the conversion ratios I get, the designer(s) I use, the amount of money I make, and the profit or loss at 30 and 60 days.

Succeed or fail, everything will be here to see.

Comments are welcome... however I already know which sites I'll be promoting and where I'll be buying traffic and who I'll be contacting for design. So, no sex.com affiliates need bother, nobody needs to whore themselves and their refferal ID, and I don't need to see any design portfolios. Chances are, I've read about your traffic, looked at your portfolio, and know what sites your current sponsor has. Wait....what am I thinking? Whore away and bump my thread for me. Hate away if you'd like - but everyone here was in my position (maybe not borrowing cash, but being new) at one point or another.. unless you had someone take you by the hand.

You don't need that much money unless you want to start a pay site, which is NOT recommended for a newbie. Read the boards, learn the business, get some good hosting, and work your ass off. The money will come.

Halo18 · 07-13-2004, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boobmaster
You don't need that much money unless you want to start a pay site, which is NOT recommended for a newbie. Read the boards, learn the business, get some good hosting, and work your ass off. The money will come.

I'm not doing a paysite. Do I NEED that much to start what I wanna do? No. But, I've stated that before. I could do all the design myself, but it won't be as good as what I pay to have done, and it would take me a lot longer to do it. Thanks for lookin out though.

HS-Trixxxia · 07-13-2004, 05:38 PM

Patience
Persistence
Willing to learn
Willing to listen to others
Bargaining skill
Making enough to cover your costs until the next month

serious · 07-13-2004, 06:47 PM

good luck man, hope you use the money wisely and it pays out for you.

spankstrocko · 07-13-2004, 08:01 PM

Halo18,

Hit me up on icq I wanna drop you some help via paypal.

This guy has the right attitude and will go far.

Spankstrocko

ICQ: 283948045

pood · 07-13-2004, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spankstrocko
Halo18,

Hit me up on icq I wanna drop you some help via paypal.

This guy has the right attitude and will go far.

Spankstrocko

ICQ: 283948045

u can drop me some help too lol ;)

I need money to buy traffic!

damn, wish i started a thread like this month ago when i started ah well...too late...all my money is gone. went crazy wit domain buying

running up a huge list of domains that are good and no ones has them yet ;)

Reak · 07-13-2004, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by emthree
Why did you have to point that out, after he allready stated 2k is not a whole lot?

me thinks you have something to prove

because i didnt read what he posted.

i have nothing to prove, i'm not oracleporn who's pimpin' with 2000 bucks or bdjuf who posts his ebay shopping cart

Spartans · 07-13-2004, 08:48 PM

Good Luck Halo, I'm basically in your same situation.. I frequently search and gather information from this site. I hope everything works out for you.

juliap · 07-13-2004, 08:59 PM

good luck

Halo18 · 07-13-2004, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spankstrocko
Halo18,

Hit me up on icq I wanna drop you some help via paypal.

This guy has the right attitude and will go far.

Spankstrocko

ICQ: 283948045

Now that's suprising. Thanks a lot spankstroko.

emthree · 07-13-2004, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Reak

bdjuf who posts his ebay shopping cart

That's comedy

Halo18 · 07-13-2004, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Spartans
Good Luck Halo, I'm basically in your same situation.. I frequently search and gather information from this site. I hope everything works out for you.

...Did my thread pull you out of lurking? That's good shit right there.

Spartans · 07-14-2004, 03:39 AM

Quote:

...Did my thread pull you out of lurking? That's good shit right there.

Yeah I've been lurking way to long lol...

07-14-2004, 03:51 AM

<IMX>, can you hit me up on ICQ please? I would like to talk to you about hub pages.

178183394

Mike-BP · 07-14-2004, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnbosh
wow this is gonna be an great contest

GOD DAMN DUDE, YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID!!!!

07-12-2004, 11:12 PM	#52
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07-12-2004, 11:15 PM	#54
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	many people started with zero. __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

07-13-2004, 12:03 AM	#59
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07-13-2004, 12:22 AM	#66
EnigmaTek Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle, Wa Posts: 188	Halo, If you are up for possibly working out some hosting trade/partnership hit me up. I have my own colocated server relatively unused resources and bandwidth. I can be flexible as to what gets installed and configured. This goes for anyone else too. ICQ me at 257500889 AIM me at EnigmaTek Mike __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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07-13-2004, 12:33 AM	#68
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	what's your email? i prefer not share info on a board full of made millionaires

07-13-2004, 12:51 AM	#69
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07-13-2004, 01:16 AM	#70
bcooter Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 797	I wish you all the luck. I'm in the same boat. Except I'm a little bit lazy. I took out a loan for 2500, to promote my mainstream site, and have profited pretty well. However, I have put most of my profit into my adult sites, and I guess they suck, cause they are money pits. But, I have learned A LOT in the past year and have turned a pretty nice profit, and I would be happy to repay the favors that so many of the cooler webmasters have given me. If you need anything, hit me up on ICQ 195479304 or aim bcooter151 __________________ Where I make All My Non-Adult Money

07-13-2004, 01:18 AM	#71
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07-13-2004, 01:30 AM	#72
infectd Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canerda Posts: 1,122	I'll be bookmarking this thread, good luck.

07-13-2004, 01:38 AM	#73
McSpike Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 1,042	I started with 0. Now I make so much I can't tell my friends about it anymore. I just keep telling them the amount I was making 2 years ago and they all go (whoa, nice!). If they only knew how much things changed. dude, internet is still at its early stage. there's a ton of money to be made still. just be in the game.

07-13-2004, 01:50 AM	#74
stev0 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 6,801	Good luck man.... my advice, spend wisely. You don't need $2000 to get started in this business... Start with a cheap host and work your way up. For good cheap hosting check out the deals over at http://www.250host.com ... http://www.amateurhosting.com is also a good cheap host to start out with while your bandwidth is relatively low. Need content? You can always use free sponsor content... check out AdultLounge ... they've got tons of free content for you to promote AdultLounge with, and the conversions are great! Or if you want to buy content check out http://www.worldwidecontent.com AVS & Free Sites are still a great way to promote programs without using a shitload of bandwidth (TGP). And you'll notice alot higher conversions too... I'd give them a shot first, and maybe try some PPC SE's.

07-13-2004, 11:20 AM	#76
johnbosh Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Netherlands, Rotterdam Posts: 8,965	wow this is gonna be an great contest

07-13-2004, 12:42 PM	#78
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Good luck bro. No need to try to grow too fast. I see this happen too often. Grow slow. Stable. Dont rush it. Dont stress for funds to do this ot that. Just grow grow grow and re-invest, reinvest reinvest. Being you are in school puts you at an advantage. You can grow it slow and stable and go to school at the same time. I was in Grad School in 1997 when I started as well. I would skip class and do work in the library or Computer labs in college. By buds would laugh.. Even when I graduated I got a real job and did my Porn stuff on the side. Grew it more and more and more, and Re-invested almost all the money it made. SHit was spendy back then. Everything from content to bandwith to programing. Now days that shit is all cheap and growth can happen overnight what once would take weeks if not months. Nevertheless take your time. And remember dont grow to fast. Take your time and establish that base. And Re-Invest that money you make from it, dont spend it. Evolve with the industry, and dont let it chew you up. By reinvesting your money into your shit it helps you adapt to the environment and evolve with the industry. You see too many companies or webmasters who make the cash then they spend it or blow it. Then they just wash away becasue of thier inabilty to adapt and evolve. Get a stable base and grow and contiue to always grow and evolve is the best weapon you can have. Its a weapon that is purely just a frame of mind. Yet so many webmasters lack it. This advice goes to any niche of the industry. I have not idea what you are doing specfically, but I assure you this will apply to what ever you intend to do. Good luck and stick with it. I rememeber my old poor college days like they were yesterday. It was an exciting time. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids. Last edited by boneprone; 07-13-2004 at 12:43 PM..

07-13-2004, 12:47 PM	#79
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Oh yeah... Another piece of advice. OUTSOURCE... Never hire a American Programer. Designers are ok, but programers outsource. They are cheaper, more creative and dedicated. They are just as sharp and will save you a bundle. And they seem to stick around to the end. Dont believe the BS that Euro, Former Soviet Nation, and Turkish people cant be trusted. They can. And the dollar goes a long way with them. One thing they are not afriad to do is work. your typical American programer is spoiled. How do you find good foreign programers? Network. Network Network. Thats one of the biggest tools you can have. Your networking ability. Get to know people. Not fucking around on GFY.. ITs networking yeah, but have a more serious means of networking as well. Your sucess in the biz will be as good as your social network not just your technical network. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids. Last edited by boneprone; 07-13-2004 at 12:50 PM..

07-13-2004, 02:10 PM	#85
Halo18 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 312	Well... damn, I havta say I've gotten a far better response than I imagined. Part of me was expecting to get flamed non-stop for a good three pages with something like "50 retarded newbies" and "100 soon to be 2K in debt" to top off pages 2 and 3. boneprone: Thanks a lot for the advice and encouragement, you're actually on my list of "people you should get to know". polish_aristocrat: I do try. infectd: will do, watch for the bump when things get started.

07-13-2004, 05:38 PM	#88
HS-Trixxxia Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 2,946	Patience Persistence Willing to learn Willing to listen to others Bargaining skill Making enough to cover your costs until the next month __________________ ~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~♥~~ Patrizia COO - ♥ MassiveDollars Email: patrizia at MassiveDollars dot com ICQ: 465.826.441 Yahoo: trixxxia_me MSN: trixxxia at hotmail dot com

07-13-2004, 06:47 PM	#89
serious Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,594	good luck man, hope you use the money wisely and it pays out for you. __________________ new search

07-13-2004, 08:01 PM	#90
spankstrocko Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 454	Halo18, Hit me up on icq I wanna drop you some help via paypal. This guy has the right attitude and will go far. Spankstrocko ICQ: 283948045

07-13-2004, 08:48 PM	#93
Spartans Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 105	Good Luck Halo, I'm basically in your same situation.. I frequently search and gather information from this site. I hope everything works out for you.

07-13-2004, 08:59 PM	#94
juliap Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 30	good luck

07-14-2004, 03:51 AM	#99
Gasper Guest Posts: n/a	<IMX>, can you hit me up on ICQ please? I would like to talk to you about hub pages. 178183394