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crockett 07-07-2004 05:21 PM

what the heck is up with yahoo sence it went away from being google powered? I used to have some nice traffic from search.yahoo.com several #1 positions but once they switched to their own system I lost it all and it still hasn't come back.

What the hell is yahoo looking for? I've got google covered but I can't seem to yahoo.

Groove 07-07-2004 05:29 PM

Does Google differentiate between internal and
external links? And if so, in what way?

StarkReality 07-07-2004 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
But like I said as well, the result of getting a domain would at best be a PR5-6, I can make one of these in one update so there's no point for me to get expired domains anymore...

WG

Right, but I think the main point in grabbing expired domains isn't PR, but the traffic these domain still gets...

Groove 07-07-2004 05:36 PM

In a previous post you made a distinction between "link lists" (bad) and "link indexes" (good). However in the adult world the two terms are often used interchangeably, eg link-o-rama.com could be refered to as a linklist or an index.

Could you please clarify the difference?

MasterBlogger 07-07-2004 05:40 PM

I have not done SEO for two years now.
Things change fast.

My question is ...

When you search for a specific domain ... lets say "ABC.com" do the top search engines link to that domain or present you other "options" ? They didn't used to for about 40% of cases.

WiredGuy 07-07-2004 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by StarkReality
Right, but I think the main point in grabbing expired domains isn't PR, but the traffic these domain still gets...
Really? Then I suppose the PR wouldn't be relevant if it was maintained or not if it was only type-in traffic they were after.

WG

nastyking 07-07-2004 05:50 PM

why are you doing this here? :Graucho

tyler86ed 07-07-2004 06:11 PM

I have a question. About 6 months ago I was ranked number one for a certian term on google. For demonstration purposes lets say the name of my company is BlueWebDesign. After buying BlueWebDesign.com and making a web site, It quickly became the number 1 spot (PR2,3) for type in traffic for the term/phrase "Blue Web Design". About 3 months ago my site dropped from the top spot to not even in the top 10 pages on google.

Now, my questions is, If my server was up, because it was, how could this happen. Was I banned? Keep in mind the site hadn't been changed in months and was a basic web design site/portfolio.

Right now, I've gained position to around the middle of the 2nd page for Blue Web Design (PR4). But having problems getting back to number 1, or even on the 1st page of results.

I've taken quite a hit because of this.

StarkReality 07-07-2004 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
Really? Then I suppose the PR wouldn't be relevant if it was maintained or not if it was only type-in traffic they were after.

WG

I can only speak for myself, but the by far most interesting thing about an expired domain is the traffic still coming from TGPs, Linklists, etc. that didn't remove their links to the domain, even after the galleries, freesites, etc. are gone. Throw up a nice .htaccess and you got some little steady traffic for a few bucks a year, cheaper than any traffic broker.

On the other hand, if you can grab an expired domain that isn't blacklisted, you got two things at once: You get this traffic from old links, you may have some PR from them AND you can build more linkpop and PR by linking to it from your sites...so it's like a freshly registered domain with a little extra boost.

StarkReality 07-07-2004 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tyler86ed
I have a question. About 6 months ago I was ranked number one for a certian term on google. For demonstration purposes lets say the name of my company is BlueWebDesign. After buying BlueWebDesign.com and making a web site, It quickly became the number 1 spot (PR2,3) for type in traffic for the term/phrase "Blue Web Design". About 3 months ago my site dropped from the top spot to not even in the top 10 pages on google.

Now, my questions is, If my server was up, because it was, how could this happen. Was I banned? Keep in mind the site hadn't been changed in months and was a basic web design site/portfolio.

Right now, I've gained position to around the middle of the 2nd page for Blue Web Design (PR4). But having problems getting back to number 1, or even on the 1st page of results.

I've taken quite a hit because of this.

Google isn't static, rankings change alot, many reasons for this:
New pages added daily, new algos, new filters, new ranking criteria, it's all in a flow and never stays the same for long.

As you see from your ranking, PR isn't the key.

The best thing you can do atm is trying to get external links to your site, for best results from pages with the same subject. There are alot of business directories and stuff like this, look around a little, many will link to you without reciprocal. And try updating it more often, no need to change much, just make sure the filesize and date of the html file are different. More updates --> more freshbots visits --> a little ranking boost

tyler86ed 07-07-2004 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by StarkReality
Google isn't static, rankings change alot, many reasons for this:
New pages added daily, new algos, new filters, new ranking criteria, it's all in a flow and never stays the same for long.

As you see from your ranking, PR isn't the key.

The best thing you can do atm is trying to get external links to your site, for best results from pages with the same subject. There are alot of business directories and stuff like this, look around a little, many will link to you without reciprocal. And try updating it more often, no need to change much, just make sure the filesize and date of the html file are different. More updates --> more freshbots visits --> a little ranking boost

Thanks for the advice :thumbsup

swami 07-07-2004 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by StarkReality
This is true for the majority of domains, but some survive. It's easy to tell if google only deleted the backlinks, so once the domain is active again PR comes back or if the domain was blacklisted like most expired domains:

Go to google and enter domain.com as search term, you either see:

Sorry, no information is available for the URL domain.com
Find web pages that contain the term "domain.com"

BAD, domain burned

OR:

Sorry, no information is available for the URL domain.com
If the URL is valid, try visiting that web page by clicking on the following link: domain.com
Find web pages that contain the term "domain.com"

GOOD, domain not burned

I don't want to be rude but you are out of your depth.:glugglug

WiredGuy 07-07-2004 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by StarkReality
I can only speak for myself, but the by far most interesting thing about an expired domain is the traffic still coming from TGPs, Linklists, etc. that didn't remove their links to the domain, even after the galleries, freesites, etc. are gone. Throw up a nice .htaccess and you got some little steady traffic for a few bucks a year, cheaper than any traffic broker.

On the other hand, if you can grab an expired domain that isn't blacklisted, you got two things at once: You get this traffic from old links, you may have some PR from them AND you can build more linkpop and PR by linking to it from your sites...so it's like a freshly registered domain with a little extra boost.


That's good, I personally wouldn't bother unless there was either tons of domains with constant traffic coming in each day or there was one or two domains with a lot of traffic.

WG

bdld 07-07-2004 08:18 PM

1. do search engines care if a site is a .com or a .biz ? is this irrelevant to their rankings?
2. is it a bad idea to interlink 20 domains? each is content-rich and different. but all 20 are linked to each other.
3. does "mykeyword1mykeyword2.com" have any preference over "mykeyword1--mykeyword2.com" ?
4. does google know penalize on alt text on small images ? (less than 5x5 pixels) or give more benefit to alt text on large images? or even more benefit on large hyperlinked images?

bdld 07-07-2004 08:50 PM

what other search engines besides google, yahoo, msn and altavista get traffic?

aflex 07-07-2004 08:56 PM

great thread :thumbsup

Maximillion 07-07-2004 09:08 PM

Another question for ya

What's the fastest you've started getting traffic to a domain after a fresh registration (registering the domain for the first time)

And what was the reason for the quick SE traffic?

WombRaider 07-07-2004 09:52 PM

What is the importance of 'link popularity' and how does that relate to SE rankings?

nap 07-07-2004 10:16 PM

Which is better

A) 7-10 pr3's
or
B) 1 pr 5-6?

Reason being I have just created my first pr3 and it only took me 2 months. Now I am stuck on if I should continue to do what I did with the first pr3 to create a network of pr3s and continue to update those (hoping they climb the ladder) or just start working on one main site until I can get that site to a high pr. My pr3 is pulling in search engine traffic but not the keywords that I optimized for.

Also

When you optimize a site for a certain keyword, do you make EVERY single page on the domain for that keyword or some variant of that keyword or do you you make each page on that domain relevant to the keyword that you are aiming for?

silverwolf 07-07-2004 11:59 PM

is there a basic cloaked network diagram?

thank you

WiredGuy 07-08-2004 12:00 AM

100 SEO's

I've always wanted to do that.
WG

kush 07-08-2004 12:01 AM

101 wanna-be SEO's :1orglaugh

kush 07-08-2004 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by silverwolf
is there a basic cloaked network diagram?

thank you

don't cheat for traffic

thank you

Jdoughs 07-08-2004 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kush
101 wanna-be SEO's :1orglaugh
I see 2 right above me who dont qualify as wanna-be

:Graucho

WiredGuy 07-08-2004 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jdoughs
I see 2 right above me who dont qualify as wanna-be

:Graucho

I don't even know what SEO stands for :winkwink:

johnbosh 07-08-2004 12:06 AM

my site haves several inbound links now (made 20 new trades) But google hasn't changed it for 2 months now, what could be it?

EddiePulp 07-08-2004 12:06 AM

does a page like this http://www.im-pimpin.com/free-gay-ga...e-gallery.html make google ignore or it.. or does it make google jizz itself and love it

Abyss_Vee 07-08-2004 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
100 SEO's

I've always wanted to do that.
WG

i wanted to do that :( im callin 150 then

Abyss_Vee 07-08-2004 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EddiePulp
does a page like this http://www.im-pimpin.com/free-gay-ga...e-gallery.html make google ignore or it.. or does it make google jizz itself and love it
:Graucho

WiredGuy 07-08-2004 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EddiePulp
does a page like this http://www.im-pimpin.com/free-gay-ga...e-gallery.html make google ignore or it.. or does it make google jizz itself and love it
I think the PR speaks for itself :)

EddiePulp 07-08-2004 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
I think the PR speaks for itself :)
that page was only uploaded yesterday.. wouldnt even have time for a PR

kush 07-08-2004 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EddiePulp
that page was only uploaded yesterday.. wouldnt even have time for a PR
I think you're onto something....

marttali 07-08-2004 02:06 AM

And now those of you that wanna know more in depth about SEO type into your addressbar webmasterworld.com and enjoy..

marttali 07-08-2004 02:07 AM

BTW my girlfriend is not dialer, she's stylist actually.

Jon 07-08-2004 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
100 SEO's

I've always wanted to do that.
WG

Don't say I never gave anything to ya!

:thumbsup

Jon 07-08-2004 10:04 AM

Alright there are a shitload of un-answered questions that I'm going to get on top of right after I smoke a cigarette.. So get those new questions ready to go.

Thanks WG and all the others that have been giving great answers as well..

Jon 07-08-2004 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by swami
This answer shows you are way behind the times young man.
Expired domains page rank are all getting crunched by google at the moment.
The only question is ,for how long will they keep them at pr0?
I guess 12 months.

No, the answer I gave was pretty much on the money. If you purchase an expired domain Google will have it reset for only a certain amount of time, but as I stated all you really have to do is keep the inbound links up to par, and you won't lose so many points on it. As WG also pointed out, if you purchase an expired domain that has an original PR of 8, chances are pretty good you'll end up with a PR6 or PR5, assuming you keep up the inbound links.

wvuatl 07-08-2004 10:36 AM

yeah baby !!!

I love this fucking post :)

Do SEs typically spider Forums (like this one) for links? Does that help or hurt?

Like, can I just post my URL on every message board one day and see an increase in my PR?

Just in-case this answer is YES, my url is http://www.buyvibes.com

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Jon 07-08-2004 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maximillion
What has a better chance of getting surfer traffic from google?

1) http://www.mydomain.com/blonde_boobs.htm

or

2) http://www.mydomain.com/blonde_boobs/blonde_boobs.htm


and does the first url above get a higher PR because its right off the root?

Thanks!

I would say that both have an equal chance at getting some good rankings. I believe, but some people may disagree, that you can only put so many keywords into your domains and directories until it gets filtered.

Jon 07-08-2004 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wvuatl
yeah baby !!!

I love this fucking post :)

Do SEs typically spider Forums (like this one) for links? Does that help or hurt?

Like, can I just post my URL on every message board one day and see an increase in my PR?

Just in-case this answer is YES, my url is http://www.buyvibes.com

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Yeah, I believe GFY gets spidered by Google. Whether or not it will help your PR is up in the air. I don't think it will, but if you feel like spamming away go for it I guess and tell us how you do.


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