If I am the next time in Amsterdam I can explain you some basics.

I got a few questions, Nite.

1) At what point does interlinking get you penalized at google (or any other SE for that matter)?

2) It is suggested (for google) that you dont use more than 100 links in a page. Yet I have seen pages cluttered with a much larger amount of links that give off PR and that are listed on G. What's up with this?

3) If you have more than one link in a page that points to the same URL, are they counted as one link out or as separate as far as links out and PR are concerned? ie. Say I have 5 links on one page all pointing at www.Score-Cash.com, would google count them as 1 out or 5 links out?

Thanks for the lesson!

Packing all the questions into one eh?

1- Purchasing high PR inbound links is always a good thing. If you can't get a good high PR site to link to you for free, theres no shame in paying for it, just make sure it's worth it. In my opinion it's ver effective. It's exactly the same as getting a free PR 8 linking to you as getting a paid PR 8 linking to you.

2- It can take anywhere from 1-3 months, sometimes shorter sometimes longer, there's no real set duration of time it takes.

3- Well what you should do is if you are paying for the inbound high PR link, but don't want to continue it, you'll need to quickly find lower PR pages to link to you in it's place. As soon as it's removed, well maybe not as soon, but within a month or so, your ranking will lose footing both in the PR sector and the rankings sector that was effected by the boost.

Is it a bad idea to use something like this in my url's for different pages:

website.com/page.php?id=5
website.com/page.php?id=6
and so on...

I've got a few answers for you..

1- When it's blatant spam. Usually when you're linked up with sites that have been blacklisted by google or any other engine/directory. IMHO link lists tend to not be a good source of interlinking for PageRank.

2- Tough one. I've actually used pages myself that had way more than 100 links and was never penalized for it. From what I understand the number of links you can have, while still being able to keep off the trouble radar is under 200 links total. Also keep in mind, if the page is just a link listing spam page, they will be penalized, but if it's relevant, and has actual content to a specific category, it can probably get away with having loads of links and PR distribution without getting penalized. It's yet another questionable topic that I can't really say what is allowed and what is not allowed because I just don't know for sure myself.

3- You're pretty good at these questionable topics. I see it like this, as long as you have a different anchor text link for each link itself, then it should be okay. So say you have some text content and throw in the anchor text link of "Adult Affiliate Program" linking to your site, then have the keyword "Affiliate Site" and then more keywords under that same keyphrase topic, I think you will be okay and Google may count it as seperate outbound links instead of just one. But again, this is just my opinion, not a fact, so you'll have to use your own methods and trial and error tactics on it and see what happens in the end.

Hope this helps.

You mean using dynamic pages?

It's not a bad idea, but it's not the best idea. You can use scripts out there that change your dynamic url strings into ones that look like static ones. If you use Apache you can alter it as well without the use of a script.

Ok, thanks. Time to mess with mod_rewrite a bit :)

Thanks for the reply Nite.

On my first question, I wasnt referring to linklist, just to general linking between pages. Have you noticed any penalizing from this sort of linking? Since the pages Im inquiring about have rich content themselve, Im assume that they would not be penalized.

Let's keep this rolling... Some reports say that google is taking into account directory listings as part of their relevancy when a query is made. Have you noticed (other than yahoo, ODP, etc.) any directories that google accepts? Im wondering what criteria does a site has to meet for it to be a "directory" and for it to be included into the relevancy check.

mouhahaha, nice question ! :D

1- I've not yet seen penalizing from interlinked content rich sites. Only from link lists, so you're probably not doing anything wrong there.

2- Google always likes links that come in from directories. They don't necessarily have to be a mainstream one like ODP (although if you get ODP linkage you're almost guaranteed to do better than other pages that don't have it) or Yahoo's, they can be adult ones as well. When gaining links from a directory that is not a link list, but a real content rich directory with meaning it always adds a positive rating to that page. There has always been a lot of speculation on this matter as well, so nothing is 100% proven, it all comes down to you and your methods of what works and what doesn't. I don't think there is a set criteria for a site to be considered a directory, but if you look at a list of 20 or 30 different directories they all usually have the same things, such as a search tool, a categorized list of websites pertaining to a specific category, and a generalized theme. As long as you have those on your site, I guess anyone can consider it a directory.

50 Questions..

Does google prefer to list hyperlinks pointing to

folder/

or to

folder/index.html

?

Brand0n is always into bribing rather than doing the work. How do you think he managed to score all of those 15" black dildos? Sexual favors, nuff said.

:Graucho

I don't know if it really matters, but when the spider comes through, I'm pretty sure it will find the index.html on default. Just to be safe, I would link directly to the index page.

People have posted some pretty good questions. I know there are a lot of newbies here so don't be scared to post your questions. You may not get a better time to get them answered. Entertain me!

cloaked seo network ? Can you explain what does that mean?

When you make a cloaked website it won't last as long as a cloaked network. A cloaked network is a chunk of sites, generally between 10-200 domains strong that interlink very lightly amongst eachother but capitlalize for one specific niche or category. The reason for this is that every few months you will lose a few sites due to being flagged or penalized, so the other sites in the network will take over the spot or search engine footing of the lost domain allowing you to still gain traffic in the place of the lost site. This can go on for a very long time and requires very little updating, and managing. It's also not as easy as it sounds, but can definitely be accomplished within a month's time. The hardest part of the process is launching the network itself, once it's done, you can just duplicate the process until you get bored, or run out of money for paying for the domains. That's the gist of it really, and unfortunately that's about as far into it as I'll go.

Do you know what percentage google uses to calculate the estimated amount of clicks you will get on an adwords ad? Wondering if you can reverse calculate this to get a rough daily search amount.

Can you give us a basic run down of how _you_ select keywords on google when promoting a specific site? (adwords?). I am just trying to stop wasting my adwords budget every month, I can only spend a few hundred $ each month on adwords, are there some tips or guidelines you can give a newbie?

Thanks,
BMF

Is it worth it to pay search engines to list your site?

Sorry but this is one question that is just out of my league.

Are you referring to Pay For Inclusion (PFI)? I used to think it was, but now I'm kind of against it. I know the engines that use it need to pay stockholders, but the prices keep going higher and higher and the results just kind of stay the same. I'm sure it varies depending on how hard you promote your site or taylor your site for that particular engine. In the end though, if it were up to me, I wouldn't.

Sure, you can use a bunch of different tactics on selecting the correct keywords. First off, if you are promoting an affiliate site, it's always best to use your own domain IMHO. I just think it looks better on the AdWords ads themselves without the "aff" or "affiliate" wording in there that takes up the valuable but limited amount of advertising characters you can use. With AdWords in particular, it's not really about the keyword, it's more about the actual ad and how to attract the surfers to click on it. With AdWords, if you're CTR is higher than your competitors, Google will credit you with a higher ranking for paying less, which no other service I know of does. Google just wants to see your ads being as relevant as possible to the actual search term you're advertising for.

A good way to increase your ROI and CTR at the same time is to create as many sub-campaigns as possible. You don't have to have 50 keywords sharing 5 ads. I've always told people, limit each campaign to 10 keywords or so and create 3-5 ads per campaign. I know, it sounds like a lot of work if you've got 100 sub-campaigns setup, but if you're willing to do the work, you will see which keywords will work for you and which will not.

Another good way to find out which keywords work and which dont is to track them directly. Using the check box and "max cpc/change url" button on the AdWords campaign interface, it's always smart to change the domain to http://www.blah.com/?keyword" this way, you can track it through your webstats and see which user is clicking which keyword, and where they are clicking on your site as well.

Great thread. Thanks for the info :)

Great thread. I was wandering, is it a good idea to have a directory structure like for instance: domain/free-porn-pics/teen-porn-pics/gallery1/index.html?

Thanks for answer... I know overture but I would like to find something else:-)

this is the best buisness thread i've seen in a long time on here. thanks for taking the time to answer all of our questions. :thumbsup

What has a better chance of getting surfer traffic from google?

1) http://www.mydomain.com/blonde_boobs.htm

or

2) http://www.mydomain.com/blonde_boobs/blonde_boobs.htm


and does the first url above get a higher PR because its right off the root?

Thanks!

This answer shows you are way behind the times young man.
Expired domains page rank are all getting crunched by google at the moment.
The only question is ,for how long will they keep them at pr0?
I guess 12 months.

I actually disagree with that. I have been able to pickup expired domains and upon acquisition they were reset to PR0. But within 1-2 updates I was able to keep most of the PR (usually dropped by 1 or 2 points but kept most of it). Unfortunately this means picking up a PR7 on expiration only meant getting a PR5 after 1-2 updates which was rather discouraging. Building a PR5 is much easier than the effort to try to get a PR7 expiring domain. But the case in point I'm trying to make was that if the backlinks more or less stay and the content you're targetting remains the same (ie: similiar theme as prior to the deletion) then I was able to keep the domain from being reset to 0 entirely.

WG

Was wondering the same thing...

Cool thread :thumbsup

From my experience, subdirectories are much less important than the html filename itself. You may want to change the underscore to "-", Google doesn't like underscores as separators.

Which one gets more PR ? It depends on the incoming links only, not the directory.

In general, on-site optimizing has become much less important, that's why all those huge site networks. Link popularity is the key, you certainly recognized many linksites changing their button links to category specific textlinks. Some sites that rank good for a certain keyword don't even have the word on the actual page, but many incoming links using this keyword as anchor text.

So Google doesn't like ext. like this> a_b_c.html

SO is abc.html and a-b-c.html ok then?

what is the max number of text words you would want to have per page? do SEs care if you have too many words per page?

This is true for the majority of domains, but some survive. It's easy to tell if google only deleted the backlinks, so once the domain is active again PR comes back or if the domain was blacklisted like most expired domains:

Go to google and enter domain.com as search term, you either see:

Sorry, no information is available for the URL domain.com
Find web pages that contain the term "domain.com"

BAD, domain burned

OR:

Sorry, no information is available for the URL domain.com
If the URL is valid, try visiting that web page by clicking on the following link: domain.com
Find web pages that contain the term "domain.com"

GOOD, domain not burned

abc.html is good when people search for "abc"
a-b-c.html is good when people search for "a b c"

So, when you optimize for a key term instead of a single keyword, don't use key1key2key3.html, but key1-key2-key3.html

free-porn-links.html :thumbsup freepornlinks.html :mad:

.com .net and .org are different when it comes to pr.

2 of them lose it quickly, 1 of them doesn't lose it very fast at all.

Weird? I know. :2 cents:

As i say you guys are behind the times.:)
Try it now.

But like I said as well, the result of getting a domain would at best be a PR5-6, I can make one of these in one update so there's no point for me to get expired domains anymore...

WG

** shrugs and bookmarked this thread **

:Graucho

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