Reading all the articles on COPA one thing became very clear to me. - GoFuckYourself.com

tony286 · 06-29-2004, 05:29 PM

We have to grow up as a industry, form a real trade association. That we open our pockets to hire pr firms and have a well groomed, dressed and well spoken adult to be the face for all of us. They are saying fucked up shit and we have no voice. If some thing came out against the liquor business the Restaurant and Bar Association would have statesments and spokesman all over the news .

KRL · 06-29-2004, 05:38 PM

LOL, the main people in the case aren't even in the porn biz though.

Its the ACLU, libraries, etc. That's the irony of it all.

Rick Latona · 06-29-2004, 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by tony404
We have to grow up as a industry, form a real trade association. That we open our pockets to hire pr firms and have a well groomed, dressed and well spoken adult to be the face for all of us. They are saying fucked up shit and we have no voice. If some thing came out against the liquor business the Restaurant and Bar Association would have statesments and spokesman all over the news .

I try all the time. You are the one that is always complaining. Why don't you take the lead since you are a self proclaimed "activist" where bitching is your "style". That's just what we need in a lobbyist.

kenny · 06-29-2004, 05:42 PM

Your right about the having "no voice" aspect.

I actually heard repeatly that we are scum who lure children to our porn websites.

As if our primiary objective was to expose children to porn.

They cant grasp the concept that we market to adults with money.

The marketing tactics of the spammers arent helping us much either. They are constantly grouping us as a whole.

darnit · 06-29-2004, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
LOL, the main people in the case aren't even in the porn biz though.

Its the ACLU, libraries, etc. That's the irony of it all.

Nailed it. If you really want to protect your rights as an adult webmaster the best thing you can do is join or donate to the ACLU. They have always been the stauchest supporters of our rights and always will.

Aly-Python · 06-29-2004, 05:45 PM

The Free Speech Coalition and ASACP exist already.

Instead of trying to start new organizations, try strengthening what is already established, experienced and known.

Get involved and make a difference in, with, or even to, these organizations. You think a PR firm would help? ... Then convince someone to throw in a few bucks to hookup these ridiculously under-funded organizations with a PR firm.

Talking and doomsdaying (not refering to you) and all that crap, is just that. Doesn't fix a damn thing.

tony286 · 06-29-2004, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by Rick Latona
I try all the time. You are the one that is always complaining. Why don't you take the lead since you are a self proclaimed "activist" where bitching is your "style". That's just what we need in a lobbyist.

I dont know if I should say thank you or be insulted. lol We are trying to start something here in south with a networking meeting every month but we figure its going to be slow growth. To do it right you need big funds, are you and the other big guns of this industry ready to step up to the plate and write the first big checks ? You guys have alot more to lose then us little guys. lol

tony286 · 06-29-2004, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by Aly-Python
The Free Speech Coalition and ASACP exist already.

Instead of trying to start new organizations, try strengthening what is already established, experienced and known.

Get involved and make a difference in, with, or even to, these organizations. You think a PR firm would help? ... Then convince someone to throw in a few bucks to hookup these ridiculously under-funded organizations with a PR firm.

Talking and doomsdaying (not refering to you) and all that crap, is just that. Doesn't fix a damn thing.

Good points these one is against CP which is good but we need more than that and most dont trust the free speech coalition. Need a fresh one.

goBigtime · 06-29-2004, 05:53 PM

Just got in...

I take it someone already posted links?

Justices Extend Ban on Enforcement of Internet Pornography Law
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun29.html

Focus on the Family Denounces Court's COPA Decision; 5-4 Decision Again Subverts Will of the People
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRe...d=149-06292004

Aly-Python · 06-29-2004, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by goBigtime
Just got in...

I take it someone already posted links?

Justices Extend Ban on Enforcement of Internet Pornography Law
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun29.html

Focus on the Family Denounces Court's COPA Decision; 5-4 Decision Again Subverts Will of the People
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRe...d=149-06292004

They have, but not HERE... THANKS!

goBigtime · 06-29-2004, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by goBigtime
"...5-4 Decision subverts Will of the People...."

That's almost..... hillarious.

If they can argue that a 5-4 decision subverts the will of the people, then what about presidential elections where 50% of the country wants one candiate and 50% wants the other. That's something I think we can all relate to these days.

They better come up with a better angle than that.

06-29-2004, 05:29 PM	#1
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Reading all the articles on COPA one thing became very clear to me. We have to grow up as a industry, form a real trade association. That we open our pockets to hire pr firms and have a well groomed, dressed and well spoken adult to be the face for all of us. They are saying fucked up shit and we have no voice. If some thing came out against the liquor business the Restaurant and Bar Association would have statesments and spokesman all over the news .

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kenny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 7,245	Your right about the having "no voice" aspect. I actually heard repeatly that we are scum who lure children to our porn websites. As if our primiary objective was to expose children to porn. They cant grasp the concept that we market to adults with money. The marketing tactics of the spammers arent helping us much either. They are constantly grouping us as a whole. Last edited by kenny; 06-29-2004 at 05:44 PM..

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06-29-2004, 05:53 PM	#9
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	Just got in... I take it someone already posted links? Justices Extend Ban on Enforcement of Internet Pornography Law http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun29.html Focus on the Family Denounces Court's COPA Decision; 5-4 Decision Again Subverts Will of the People http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRe...d=149-06292004