AnalProbe

If he would have added the following points to Fahrenheit 911 :

1. Mohammed Atta´s passport found on the top of the pile of rubble at ground zero.

2. Atta´s father´s quotes in the Middle East Times that he spoke to his son AFTER 9/11 and that he believes he was abducted by the CIA (so that we could blame the attacks on him.)

3. The fact that witnesses in Portland, Maine WOULD NOT say that the two men they saw board the 19-seat puddle-jumper to Logan were the same two who the FBI splashed all over the TV as Atta and his sidekick, Abdul-Azziz Alomari.

4. Bush saying he "saw a plane hit the building" as he was entering the classroom in Florida at 9:00 AM, though no such footage was available until that evening...

5. Bush hanging around that classroom for a full 20 minutes AFTER the second tower was struck and we knew it was a "terrorist" attack without question.

6. That the planes were at about 25% passenger capacity that morning, on VERY POPULAR TRANSCONTINENTAL ROUTES that were routinely overbooked...or what "Osama" might have done with all of those extra tickets.

7. the "stand down" orders given by (presumably) Cheney to interceptors who certainly could have shot FL 77 down, and PROBABLY DID shoot FL 93--orders to the contrary notwithstanding.

8. That none of the transcripts of any of the cell phone conversations mention anything at all about the language, nationality or appearance of the "terrorists."

9. That "Fire Engineering" editor Bill Manning (the most prestigious journal fo firefighters in America) called the FEMA investigation "a half-baked farce."

10. That Controlled Demolition, Inc. that was placed in charge of the 9/11 cleanup (and carted all the debris hastily away, and placed it all on a fast boat to CHina) was the same outfit that "handled" the cleanup of the Murrah Building in OKC.

11. That the entire power grid was down the weekend before that fatal Tuesday on the upper floors of the north tower, while "maintenance" was going on up there.

12. That Odigo Corporation received a FAX from Israel just before the attacks urging their employees not to attend work at the Twin Towers on 9/11.

13. That SF mayor Willie Brown, the Israelit PM, and a contingent of Pentagon officials all cancelled travel plans for the morning of 9/11 due to "security concerns."

14. That the head of the Pakastani ISS who funneled the $100,000 to "Atta" in the weeks before 9/11 was meeting with Cheney that morning as the attacks occured.

I could go on and on. If Moore doesn´t mention any of these very important details, then we need to seriously consider his motives in making the film. Are you folks familiar with the term "limited hangout" ???

I have had several discussions with Mel Gibson´s father about my work on 9/11, and he has both of my videotapes about this tragedy. Hopefully, he has passed it all on to his son, and we may yet get a REAL documentary about what really happened that day. But, don´t hold your breath.

Like others here, I fear the retaliation...the other shoe has got to drop soon, as the globalist traitors will not leave our country quietly until they´ve destroyed it.

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Michael Moore killed?! huh?

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Thats some good shit you're smoking...

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AnalProbe

As said before, I didn't write the shit.

It's cut and pasted from http://www.godlikeproductions.com 's forum.

The guy who posted it claims to have contact with Gibson's father, and posted using the name "Gartrellwatcher", which has to do with the Aussie Bloke thing.

It's not 100% bull though, I think Moore has left out some stuff to save his big FAT ass. I personally think he will have an accident or some deadly disease very soon, or at least meets Jimmy Hoffa.

hova

And I seriously wouldnt give a shit

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He can only really fit so much in there, and if you just state all facts then it could get cluttered? An audience can only retain so much information, so can only hope he told them the right pieces of information.

Cheers,
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smack

i've been listenting to alot of moore's interviews on the subject, and he puts it right out there, that this movie is just "HIS OPINION". he makes no claims for objectivity.

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Michael Moore was saying on some radio station out here earlier this week about how if he were Black he would have been murdered by now.

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Seriously. You could make a whole series from the footage that exists. Is it necessary to show everything to tell a story? I understand that the twin towers aren't even shown in the film.

I would be willing to bet that the DVD of this film will contain documents, additional footage, etc. and a director's commentary track.

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Mel Gibson's father is a Holocaust denier so that gives you some idea where this guy is coming from.

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4. Bush saying he "saw a plane hit the building" as he was entering the classroom in Florida at 9:00 AM,though no such footage was available until that evening...


HUH ? Well, if the writer believes this....then it sure gives NO credability to the rest of his list. Millions who were rivited to TV sets all day, saw it.

Melody

Not sure why I'm bothering with this, but here goes...


>3. The fact that witnesses in Portland, Maine WOULD NOT say >that the two men they saw board the 19-seat puddle-jumper to >Logan were the same two who the FBI splashed all over the TV >as Atta and his sidekick, Abdul-Azziz Alomari.

Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, and no law enforcement officer would take steps based on information received from it.

>4. Bush saying he "saw a plane hit the building" as he was >entering the classroom in Florida at 9:00 AM, though no such >footage was available until that evening...

As Sharpie said, this is nonsense. I watched the second tower crash LIVE on television. We all saw both buildings fall on live TV. Whomever came up with this nonsense isn't living in the land of Katie Couric.

>5. Bush hanging around that classroom for a full 20 minutes >AFTER the second tower was struck and we knew it was >a "terrorist" attack without question.

Michael Moore makes it very clear that Bush dropped the ball during this time period. Moore didn't go into specifics, but if he had, the film would have been 7 hours long and the audience would have been asleep.

>6. That the planes were at about 25% passenger capacity that >morning, on VERY POPULAR TRANSCONTINENTAL ROUTES that >were routinely overbooked...or what "Osama" might have done >with all of those extra tickets.

It's not at all unusual for flights that crash to be below capacity. There's an argument to be made for intuition in this, I believe. HOWEVER, I do know that Connie Rice warned Willie Brown, so if she warned him, others might also have been warned to not fly that day.

>8. That none of the transcripts of any of the cell phone >conversations mention anything at all about the language, >nationality or appearance of the "terrorists."

That's not at all unusual. Many Americans strain away from mentioning ethnicity, because of the ramifications in our diverse society. It would be particularly so with said "terrorists" holding weapons at the throats of fellow passengers.

>10. That Controlled Demolition, Inc. that was placed in charge of >the 9/11 cleanup (and carted all the debris hastily away, and >placed it all on a fast boat to CHina) was the same outfit >that "handled" the cleanup of the Murrah Building in OKC.

It's the only company of its kind that handles cleanup on that vast a scale.

>12. That Odigo Corporation received a FAX from Israel just >before the attacks urging their employees not to attend work at >the Twin Towers on 9/11.

There was no "Odigo Corporation" with employees at the Twin Towers. I wish conspiracy theorists would check their facts before repeating them.


>I could go on and on. If Moore doesn´t mention any of these >very important details, then we need to seriously consider his >motives in making the film. Are you folks familiar with the >term "limited hangout" ???

Oh, that's right, someone tries to do the right thing and we shoot him down anyway. Whomever came up with this argument against Moore may be said to be working for Bush's people, too, if we want to become howling paranoids.

If even 1/4 of what Moore asserts in that film is true (and much more of it is - even if some of it is his opinion, the facts in the film remain the facts), then we should be impeaching Bush now. The fact we impeached our last emperor on the silly matter of who was blowing him, but we're not going to impeach THIS guy, tells us how little of this is about reason and how much is about emotion.

>I have had several discussions with Mel Gibson´s father about >my work on 9/11, and he has both of my videotapes about this >tragedy. Hopefully, he has passed it all on to his son, and we >may yet get a REAL documentary about what really happened >that day. But, don´t hold your breath.

Gibson's a far-right winger, and Gibson's father of the "no Holocast occurred" school of "conservative Catholicism". Not people I'd want to invite to my party for reasonable people.

>Like others here, I fear the retaliation...the other shoe has got >to drop soon, as the globalist traitors will not leave our country >quietly until they´ve destroyed it.

No, they won't leave quietly, nor should they. They should however open the government up to the pluralism that has made us strong.

Incidentally, I've seen F911 - it's a terrific film. It's passionate, moving and intensely patriotic, whether one agrees with all its assertions or not. Anyone who disses Moore simply because they disagree with him, isn't displaying anything but a childlike refusal to admit the possibility their big daddy president is every bit the snake Moore says he is. In fact, the very fact "they" attack the film tells us how valid many of its points remain.

Frankly, on this count, my money's on Moore. Incidentally, remarks about his weight do not equal a valid rebuttal.

The far left will attack him, the far right will attack him, so I guess that leaves the sane people to defend his right to make his statement. God save us from the extremists of the world who want a man destroyed because he dares to state opinions that don't agree with them.

Marcus Aurelius

and I had such high hopes for this thread.

Spunky

I wouldn't be surprised to read about his death soon...Bush will have him bumped off

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More to the point, I think Moore did not want his movie dismissed as a conspiracy theorist's wet dream.

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AnalProbe

Bush said he saw the FIRST plane hit the building.

That footage was only available several hours later.




And Melody, are you a professional Republican debunker or what ?

Never saw you debunking something before with your 12 posts.

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Glad someone else made a note of that.

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Let's see what happens when the details get public...

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he probably can't tell everything !

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No, Mr. Probe, I only post here (generally) when I've got something to promote (i.e. when I'm working). I'm over here today waiting for the Supremes' decision. Now that I have it, I'm outta here.

I'm not a Republican *anything*. I'm a registered Libertarian. And I wouldn't vote for George Bush if I had a gun to my head, however, the facts remain the facts.

There was plentiful video footage available of the first plane hitting the building. There had been a camera crew near WTC shooting a TV series. They caught the first plane's crash into the building. I saw this on television easily prior to 11 AM Pacific time.

Shoehorn!

It'll be a great day when that fucker is killed, along with that fucking loud mouth dyke bitch Rosie O'donnell.

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Nope, you saw the 2nd plane hit. No one had footage of the first plane hitting the building until hours after both towers collapsed. Bush made that comment before the 2nd plane hit.

AnalProbe

That's what it's all about.

THE big mistake Bush made TWICE.