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Melody · 06-28-2004, 09:35 AM

Not sure why I'm bothering with this, but here goes...

>3. The fact that witnesses in Portland, Maine WOULD NOT say >that the two men they saw board the 19-seat puddle-jumper to >Logan were the same two who the FBI splashed all over the TV >as Atta and his sidekick, Abdul-Azziz Alomari.

Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, and no law enforcement officer would take steps based on information received from it.

>4. Bush saying he "saw a plane hit the building" as he was >entering the classroom in Florida at 9:00 AM, though no such >footage was available until that evening...

As Sharpie said, this is nonsense. I watched the second tower crash LIVE on television. We all saw both buildings fall on live TV. Whomever came up with this nonsense isn't living in the land of Katie Couric.

>5. Bush hanging around that classroom for a full 20 minutes >AFTER the second tower was struck and we knew it was >a "terrorist" attack without question.

Michael Moore makes it very clear that Bush dropped the ball during this time period. Moore didn't go into specifics, but if he had, the film would have been 7 hours long and the audience would have been asleep.

>6. That the planes were at about 25% passenger capacity that >morning, on VERY POPULAR TRANSCONTINENTAL ROUTES that >were routinely overbooked...or what "Osama" might have done >with all of those extra tickets.

It's not at all unusual for flights that crash to be below capacity. There's an argument to be made for intuition in this, I believe. HOWEVER, I do know that Connie Rice warned Willie Brown, so if she warned him, others might also have been warned to not fly that day.

>8. That none of the transcripts of any of the cell phone >conversations mention anything at all about the language, >nationality or appearance of the "terrorists."

That's not at all unusual. Many Americans strain away from mentioning ethnicity, because of the ramifications in our diverse society. It would be particularly so with said "terrorists" holding weapons at the throats of fellow passengers.

>10. That Controlled Demolition, Inc. that was placed in charge of >the 9/11 cleanup (and carted all the debris hastily away, and >placed it all on a fast boat to CHina) was the same outfit >that "handled" the cleanup of the Murrah Building in OKC.

It's the only company of its kind that handles cleanup on that vast a scale.

>12. That Odigo Corporation received a FAX from Israel just >before the attacks urging their employees not to attend work at >the Twin Towers on 9/11.

There was no "Odigo Corporation" with employees at the Twin Towers. I wish conspiracy theorists would check their facts before repeating them.

>I could go on and on. If Moore doesn´t mention any of these >very important details, then we need to seriously consider his >motives in making the film. Are you folks familiar with the >term "limited hangout" ???

Oh, that's right, someone tries to do the right thing and we shoot him down anyway. Whomever came up with this argument against Moore may be said to be working for Bush's people, too, if we want to become howling paranoids.

If even 1/4 of what Moore asserts in that film is true (and much more of it is - even if some of it is his opinion, the facts in the film remain the facts), then we should be impeaching Bush now. The fact we impeached our last emperor on the silly matter of who was blowing him, but we're not going to impeach THIS guy, tells us how little of this is about reason and how much is about emotion.

>I have had several discussions with Mel Gibson´s father about >my work on 9/11, and he has both of my videotapes about this >tragedy. Hopefully, he has passed it all on to his son, and we >may yet get a REAL documentary about what really happened >that day. But, don´t hold your breath.

Gibson's a far-right winger, and Gibson's father of the "no Holocast occurred" school of "conservative Catholicism". Not people I'd want to invite to my party for reasonable people.

>Like others here, I fear the retaliation...the other shoe has got >to drop soon, as the globalist traitors will not leave our country >quietly until they´ve destroyed it.

No, they won't leave quietly, nor should they. They should however open the government up to the pluralism that has made us strong.

Incidentally, I've seen F911 - it's a terrific film. It's passionate, moving and intensely patriotic, whether one agrees with all its assertions or not. Anyone who disses Moore simply because they disagree with him, isn't displaying anything but a childlike refusal to admit the possibility their big daddy president is every bit the snake Moore says he is. In fact, the very fact "they" attack the film tells us how valid many of its points remain.

Frankly, on this count, my money's on Moore. Incidentally, remarks about his weight do not equal a valid rebuttal.

The far left will attack him, the far right will attack him, so I guess that leaves the sane people to defend his right to make his statement. God save us from the extremists of the world who want a man destroyed because he dares to state opinions that don't agree with them.

06-28-2004, 09:35 AM
Melody Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Democratic Blue States of America Posts: 130	Not sure why I'm bothering with this, but here goes... >3. The fact that witnesses in Portland, Maine WOULD NOT say >that the two men they saw board the 19-seat puddle-jumper to >Logan were the same two who the FBI splashed all over the TV >as Atta and his sidekick, Abdul-Azziz Alomari. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, and no law enforcement officer would take steps based on information received from it. >4. Bush saying he "saw a plane hit the building" as he was >entering the classroom in Florida at 9:00 AM, though no such >footage was available until that evening... As Sharpie said, this is nonsense. I watched the second tower crash LIVE on television. We all saw both buildings fall on live TV. Whomever came up with this nonsense isn't living in the land of Katie Couric. >5. Bush hanging around that classroom for a full 20 minutes >AFTER the second tower was struck and we knew it was >a "terrorist" attack without question. Michael Moore makes it very clear that Bush dropped the ball during this time period. Moore didn't go into specifics, but if he had, the film would have been 7 hours long and the audience would have been asleep. >6. That the planes were at about 25% passenger capacity that >morning, on VERY POPULAR TRANSCONTINENTAL ROUTES that >were routinely overbooked...or what "Osama" might have done >with all of those extra tickets. It's not at all unusual for flights that crash to be below capacity. There's an argument to be made for intuition in this, I believe. HOWEVER, I do know that Connie Rice warned Willie Brown, so if she warned him, others might also have been warned to not fly that day. >8. That none of the transcripts of any of the cell phone >conversations mention anything at all about the language, >nationality or appearance of the "terrorists." That's not at all unusual. Many Americans strain away from mentioning ethnicity, because of the ramifications in our diverse society. It would be particularly so with said "terrorists" holding weapons at the throats of fellow passengers. >10. That Controlled Demolition, Inc. that was placed in charge of >the 9/11 cleanup (and carted all the debris hastily away, and >placed it all on a fast boat to CHina) was the same outfit >that "handled" the cleanup of the Murrah Building in OKC. It's the only company of its kind that handles cleanup on that vast a scale. >12. That Odigo Corporation received a FAX from Israel just >before the attacks urging their employees not to attend work at >the Twin Towers on 9/11. There was no "Odigo Corporation" with employees at the Twin Towers. I wish conspiracy theorists would check their facts before repeating them. >I could go on and on. If Moore doesn´t mention any of these >very important details, then we need to seriously consider his >motives in making the film. Are you folks familiar with the >term "limited hangout" ??? Oh, that's right, someone tries to do the right thing and we shoot him down anyway. Whomever came up with this argument against Moore may be said to be working for Bush's people, too, if we want to become howling paranoids. If even 1/4 of what Moore asserts in that film is true (and much more of it is - even if some of it is his opinion, the facts in the film remain the facts), then we should be impeaching Bush now. The fact we impeached our last emperor on the silly matter of who was blowing him, but we're not going to impeach THIS guy, tells us how little of this is about reason and how much is about emotion. >I have had several discussions with Mel Gibson´s father about >my work on 9/11, and he has both of my videotapes about this >tragedy. Hopefully, he has passed it all on to his son, and we >may yet get a REAL documentary about what really happened >that day. But, don´t hold your breath. Gibson's a far-right winger, and Gibson's father of the "no Holocast occurred" school of "conservative Catholicism". Not people I'd want to invite to my party for reasonable people. >Like others here, I fear the retaliation...the other shoe has got >to drop soon, as the globalist traitors will not leave our country >quietly until they´ve destroyed it. No, they won't leave quietly, nor should they. They should however open the government up to the pluralism that has made us strong. Incidentally, I've seen F911 - it's a terrific film. It's passionate, moving and intensely patriotic, whether one agrees with all its assertions or not. Anyone who disses Moore simply because they disagree with him, isn't displaying anything but a childlike refusal to admit the possibility their big daddy president is every bit the snake Moore says he is. In fact, the very fact "they" attack the film tells us how valid many of its points remain. Frankly, on this count, my money's on Moore. Incidentally, remarks about his weight do not equal a valid rebuttal. The far left will attack him, the far right will attack him, so I guess that leaves the sane people to defend his right to make his statement. God save us from the extremists of the world who want a man destroyed because he dares to state opinions that don't agree with them.