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50 south koreans
South Korea stepping up to the plate. "press on"

Sacrafice a few heads to make the world a better place , so be it.

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Can't argue from facts, so instead you "lol" - that's fairly typical of bigots. You and Georgie Bush would get on well. I'm defending Michael Moore's movie over on another board, where they can only argue against his film by calling him "fat". Invective is a poor tool for dispute.

>NO ONE is just going to sit by and just let people come into their >homes and start shooting people down without doing

These guys beheading people AREN'T doing so in Iraq's name. Al Qaeda is using any means necessary to attack the US and its allies because they hate Americans - just like several of you guys do, so small wonder you agree with them.

I don't want our soldiers ANYWHERE in the world besides our soil, and that includes Germany, Korea and any other place they're based now. We can't even give our own people basic medical benefits, but we're out "guarding" nations that can afford blanket health care for its own citizens. Our own people subsidize (through monstrous costs for medication) medical research that benefits everyone...that's bad enough. CYA on your own bill. And bring my nephew home, thanks very much.

The rest of you, good luck dealing with these people - I don't have an adult prog to push right now, so I'm not wasting my finger strength. I just have to pipe up (for the sake of my nephew who is over there doing something he sure as hell doesn't want to be doing) when people like this post this crap from the safety of their computerland.

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Shok

Melody, it's useless to argue with alot of these guys here.

Rich is an Al-Queda simpathizer and obviously hates toilets and would rather take a shit in the sand.

He probably has a dynamite suit hanging in his closet right now.

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Pleasurepays

Do you think the US has soldiers in other places out of fear for THEIR security? ANTYHING a country does is in IT'S OWN BEST INTERESTS FIRST.

Jesus Christ ... I can't get over how people can be so ignorant and naive about politics and how the world works.

Pleasurepays

Some might argue that they are doing so because the greatest threat to their existence is the freedom for people to choose or even an ordered and civilized society where women can go to school or show their face in public.

Every virtue of western civilization that has helped sustain peace, economic development and growth in western countries is a direct threat to the existence of Islamic extremists.

Al Queda wants what exactly? To be left alone? Is that what Al Queda stands for?

You live in a dream world where you have supplanted your own utopian ideas of how things should be in place of the reality of how things are.

Here is a time tested fact... Peace causes war. Peace does not beget peace. Anytime throughout the history of civilization when a country, nation, empire or civilization has shown it is not willing to fight or defend itself... it has gotten rolled over by those seeking to climb one more rung up the heirarchal ladder of nations. Simple bands of unevolved savages have destroyed many empires who suddenly decided they did not have the stomach for war or did not recognize the need to defend themselves or maintain a defense.

I suppose you also think Hitler just needed more hugs and there would not have been a WWII?

Pleasurepays

If this is true... and you are not just a simple Michael Moore loving simpleton who eagerly accepts boorish and blatently wrong and missleading propaganda as "fact" why aren't Al Queda connected terrorists only attacking Americans? Why is there bombs going off at concerts in Russia? UN Headquarters in Bagdad? Markets in Morroco? In Saudi Arabia? At hotels in Turkey? Rockets being fired at commercial airliners in Africa? Trains blowing up in Spain? ... etc etc etc etc.

Cassie

besides bush finishing daddy's job (which is commendable), the main reason was money. every war is about economic gain of some sort.

to think any other way is absurd and to believe that this war was fought on the premise of wmd's or anything else, well you need to go back to history 101.......

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the americans are only getting 1 year in jail. they should have there nuts and pussys torn off. 1 year = nothing. for what they did. so its just payback now. they are just having a tournament of heads. they arent going to stop.

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Doctor Dre

Why would they do that ? They deliver good news to the people over there. .. lol

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If bush is leading by 10 points there must be a shitload of stupid americans ...

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Shok

yeah playing naked twister should be punished by death....please

Doctor Dre

Dude do you really think they thought there was nuclear weapons ?

The files they gave to the UN the final night were 6 months old and the director of the FBI said they werent updated ...

It was just some peices that were "bought" from korea that COULD have been used to make nuclear weapon as well as a lot of other utilities ... something like that .

Anyways that was bullshit

Bush wanted : Oil ( all his fucking money comes from oil)
And to finish his fathers work ... or whatever .

But that is certainly not to protect americans from nuclear or mass destruction weapons .

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Shok

yeah I'm glad we did it for the oil, or else we might end up paying 2 bucks a gallon.............please

Doctor Dre

Oh and on top of that Bush went there without the approbation of the UN ...

He broke something that was built after the 2nd world war for a VERY good reason .

France on sept 11 were like : "We are all americans" on the front page of their newspaper .

All they did is tell the truth to american people . They now get bashed everytime the word france come up in the states AND their economy goes down ...

Do you really think the US economy can go strong if they start loosing allies everywhere ?

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You are a fucking idiot...damn...you are such a fool. You have to be like 18 years old to say something like that and actually believe it. We should send you over there to play with the iraqis for a week...stupid whore

jayeff

Not stupid, but the majority of Americans don't like to have to think too much. Even were that not the case, apparently all the national and international news of any importance can be dealt with in the top seven minutes of the TV news. And of course, the mainstream media, particularly when the republicans are in power, tend to report only the party line. None of which makes for an informed public.

Cassie

there is a lot more to the problem with France then them speaking their minds.

one of the things that comes to my mind is the fact that they were building nuclear reactors for Iraq since the 80's and they knew full well what those reactors were going to be used for.

this is not opinion; it is documented fact.

for france to say anything about any other country in a negative light is hyprocritical to say the least. it didnt surprise me when they wanted no part of this iraqi war.

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jayeff

Of course it was about oil: US foreign policy in the middle east has been about oil and nothing but oil for the past 70-odd years.

And if you didn't live on assumptions and dumbed down sound bites, you would recognize that the current increase in oil prices has a lot to do with (mainly) US refining companies and little if anything to do with crude supplies.

sacX

and security premium in the price of crude.

Doctor Dre

If you want to start on who did what for who, the states loose all the way ...

All the coup-detat and weapons given to other countries (such as afganistan ... bin laden himself ...)

So just dont start on this one

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The US supported Iraq in the 80's.

Cassie

this is true....under the premise that they were allies.

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You're not blaming the US for the French economy are you?

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jayeff

No. Under the premise that they were pawns.

Doctor Dre

Its not that bad ... but tourism totally stoped running ... and that is BECAUSE of the states ...

Freedom fries my ass

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it's all a matter of symantics.

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Sums it up in one rule!

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jayeff

Another complete red herring: although crude prices have risen recently, they are still only at levels which account for a very small part of the huge increases at the pumps.

Rocketing pump prices are a consquence of the fact that there hasn't been a new refinery built in the US in the last 20 years, thus they run almost constantly at close to 100% capacity. Any increase in demand - and demand is still increasing, despite high prices - is met from outside the US. And costs more.

And it isn't going to get better so long as americans love their high-horsepower gas guzzlers. Just recently, the chairman of Valero (one of the big refiners) commented this is the best environment he's ever seen for refining profits.

sacX

uh complete red herring? lol.

Guess what gas prices haven't just increased in the US, crude prices have a lot to do with it.

directfiesta

LOL... but that is because you have an idiot at the helm .... otherwise, you would have control of the 2nd largest oil reserve in the world... even that he managed to fuck up!

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ummm...yup! thats its right there
I feel absolutley horrible for that Koren guy.

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V_RocKs

England took over Hong Kong, India, South Africa (and most of the rest), East coast of America, various island nations, etc. Spain(parts of Canada), France (took Canada), Portugual, and many more nations had similar exploits. America has Puerto Rico, the Phillapines, made Hawaiian Islands into a state of America.

But what? Because it is 2004 you can't take a country over? Well, we DID NOT TAKE A COUNTRY OVER. We fucking liberated them when they ASKED us to do it because he was killing his own people! He was beating and torturing them in that fucking prison for over 28 years before we got there!

Don't tell me Americans suck! Why doesn't the rest of the world grow some fucking balls? Why do we always have to save you fuck tards? Remember WWI shit head? How about WWII? Vietnam? Korea? Ringing any bells? Desert Storm? No? Fine then... Live in a bubble idiots, but don't come asking me for my sons when your bubble is burst by a tyrant!

V_RocKs

Exactly. Why I do feel for these people and I feel mostly for the families they leave fatherless behind them, they had absolutely no reason to be there other than greed. I have a friend in the area and his only reason being there is that they are paying him an extra $100,000 a year to be there. He has been there for over 6 years and wants to stay another 4 more. If he gets killed while there it will suck but then it isn't like $600,000 stashed away isn't $600,000 stashed away. It is more than most people had that died in the world trade center.

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i started a thread like this yesterday

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sacX

seriously you could do with a little perspective.

V_RocKs

If you are not in America or Iraq then butt out.

V_RocKs

That is pretty funny. If you are from Germany, that is really pretty fucking hilarious. lol. I need perspective. Haha... oh man.

sacX

I am from New Zealand, I live in Germany. Even if I was German, what's your point?

You seem to think the United States is this pure angelic world philanthropist, that's pretty naive.

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chemicaleyes

Good god you are a tard, I'm not going to spend too much time on you.

My comments here:

Were aimed at your stupid post here:

Never said England or any other country had a perfect history.
Never said Americans suck. Don't put words in my mouth.
Why don't you open your eyes, most of the world has more balls than you personally do.
Don't even start about how you think America single handedly saved the world. In any wartime situation.

I'm out of this thread now.

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Instead of basing your opinions on the pap fed to you by Fox and the rest, go read Forbes, Motley Fool or the Wall Street Journal.

Pleasurepays

a convienent explanation for an idiot.

jaffa1

americans must behead some al qaida militants in the same way

Cassie

no one is saying we did not do our part. however, rather then running from a problem we helped create (we meaning the american govt), we faced the problem regardless of the reasoning or outcome.

name one war that france has been involved in that they havent ended up running the other way; hence america stepping in to cover france's ass. why is it that france was adamently against this war rather then taking down a problem they had their hands in?

don't give me the french economy is taking a hit. just as others are saying that america and it's people are getting what is deserved, france is now reaping what it sowed. it's nice to talk the talk but another thing to walk the walk and for as far back as i can remember (vietnam), i have never seen the french govt stand up to anything of importance. what i have see and read is the fact that they always needed help and always wanted a piece of the pie. things that make you go hmmm.

please dont get into this with me

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Why? because what George W Hitler does dosent have any effect on the rest of the world?

bad_girl

I do live in Canada.

The reality is when you invade a country and try to liberate them - then capture sometimes innocent people and PUBLICLY humiliate them, there will be backlash. People in that country are suffering, they are trying to rebuild a government and right now.. they have nothing, and no means of support. Who do you trust? Your captors? Your former leaders? They are one angry country - that anger needs to get channelled somehwere.



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